Green fuels cause more harm than fossil fuels

[roster]

The London Times dug this study out. It was being hidden by the government. The EC also has a study that they are hiding.

Using fossil fuel in vehicles is better for the environment than so-called green fuels made from crops, according to a government study ....
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/e ... 044708.ece

Would you think that burning down natural forests and replacing them with plants to be harvested for biofuel would be a good thing for the environment?

No, only governments think like that!

[BlackSpinner]

Actually what they are calling green fuel - isn't - it is a cheaper alternative to oil. That is all. It creates just as much green house emissions.
Cheaper is not greener.
Hybrid is green, bio deisel is not.

Not exactly new. calling bio fuel green was a marketing ploy. The first bio fuel was green, it was made of recycled restaurant grease, the stuff marketed now is made from plants replacing food in 3rd world countries.

[uperrsc]

Lets use half our corn to make biofuel.... sorry about driving the price of food up. Oh well, it makes us feel good to use "sustainable" fuels, sorry that some people will have to starve so we can feel all green....... Seriously, GREEN is the new RED.

[tattooyu]

What about the fuel made from algae? That seemed like a great alternative to crops. They could produce tons of it in a relatively small vertical "bags." Don't know about the emissions from that stuff, though.

[DreamDiver]

Lets use half our corn to make biofuel.... sorry about driving the price of food up. Oh well, it makes us feel good to use "sustainable" fuels, sorry that some people will have to starve so we can feel all green....... Seriously, GREEN is the new RED.

You might like to watch 'King Corn' - an indie movie about Corn as a... product. The corn they grow to make 'fuel' and HFCS is entirely inedible.

[tattooyu]

Scrap the algae idea...

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... tal-impact

[JohnBFisher]

Lets use half our corn to make biofuel.... sorry about driving the price of food up. Oh well, it makes us feel good to use "sustainable" fuels, sorry that some people will have to starve so we can feel all green....... Seriously, GREEN is the new RED.

You might like to watch 'King Corn' - an indie movie about Corn as a... product. The corn they grow to make 'fuel' and HFCS is entirely inedible.

THANK YOU! Too many city folks think that "corn is corn". There are several different varieties of corn. Only a small percentage of the corn crop is actually grown for food. Here's a link to a page that explains about some of the different types of corn:

http://www.cyberspaceag.com/kansascrops ... ofcorn.htm

[DreamStalker]

The London Times dug this study out. It was being hidden by the government. The EC also has a study that they are hiding.

Using fossil fuel in vehicles is better for the environment than so-called green fuels made from crops, according to a government study ....
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/e ... 044708.ece

Would you think that burning down natural forests and replacing them with plants to be harvested for biofuel would be a good thing for the environment?

No, only governments think like that!

Here we go again.

You may be able to change your username but your political spin remains the same.

Government is just the vehicle for corporate greed. Governments don't think, they do ... they do what their campaign contributors tell them to do.

Any half-wit environmentalist will tell you that MOST biofuels are NOT green energy technology. Just follow the money! ... it is green all the way to Monsanto, ADM, ConAgra, etc. .

You conservatives are so gullible, you believe everything Fox spin sells you.

[roster]

Government is just the vehicle for corporate greed. Governments don't think, they do ... they do what their campaign contributors tell them to do.

Any half-wit environmentalist will tell you that MOST biofuels are NOT green energy technology. Just follow the money! ... it is green all the way to Monsanto, ADM, ConAgra, etc. .

Last time I checked the only ones with guns and prisoners were the governments.

[DreamDiver]

Last time I checked the only ones with guns and prisoners were the governments.

Puppet lackeys of Monsanto, ConAgra, et al. Wait four years, all the unelected officials that were in office will be highly paid board members of the same for services rendered. This kind of 'green' crosses all party lines.

[rosacer]

Even if the corn used for fuel can't be eaten by humans nothing say that same corn is not good for animal's food. And then humans eat those animals. No waste!

The Amazonian forest is disappearing at a very fast speed because of the need of land to grow corn for bio-fuel. So the lungs of the planet Earth are disappearing too at the same speed. Corn production uses lots of fertilizer who contaminate the water naps big time. The future wars will be for the water because it's disappearing too.

At the end of all the studies have shown difference between the energy needed to produce ethanol and the energy extracted of the ethanol doesn't compensates all the damage and trouble to produce it.

[JohnBFisher]

... At the end of all the studies have shown difference between the energy needed to produce ethanol and the energy extracted of the ethanol doesn't compensates all the damage and trouble to produce it ....

That's different than complaining about corn for fuel meaning we have less corn for food. Those are completely different crops, often using different plots of land.

But you are correct it is questionable if ethanol production is viable. However, I would rather see alternatives explored than yet another attempt at keeping oil (and coal) as our primary power source. That dog "don't hunt".

[DreamDiver]

But you are correct it is questionable if ethanol production is viable. However, I would rather see alternatives explored than yet another attempt at keeping oil (and coal) as our primary power source. That dog "don't hunt".

It isn't actually an alternative. The fertilizers used to grow it are made from coal or crude oil derivatives. In the end, it actually costs more than gas or coal. It's total hooey. Even the bloombox energy system (google it) requires a fuel source to oxidize. Unless someone can make zero point energy work, or cold fusion, or another one of those 'pipe-dreams', we really only have wind/waves/water/solar as a true alternative energy sources.

[DreamStalker]

Government is just the vehicle for corporate greed. Governments don't think, they do ... they do what their campaign contributors tell them to do.

Any half-wit environmentalist will tell you that MOST biofuels are NOT green energy technology. Just follow the money! ... it is green all the way to Monsanto, ADM, ConAgra, etc. .

Last time I checked the only ones with guns and prisoners were the governments.

More half truths.

You forgot to check the mega-banks like BofA, CitiGroup, Chase, and a half-dozen others who have imprisoned millions with credit card debt using teaser rates and fine print tactics. As for guns, the right-wing anti-government extremists use single engine planes to fly into buildings now days to try and reduce the size of government instead of using guns ... they use guns to kill doctors at abortion clinics.

Besides, what do guns and prisoners have to do with your view of government thoughts on the environment? You are dropping more than just vowels here.

[roster]

You forgot to check the mega-banks like BofA, CitiGroup, Chase, and a half-dozen others who have imprisoned millions with credit card debt using teaser rates and fine print tactics.

Forced them to buy HD TVs, DVRs, DVDs, CDs, expensive clothes, vacations to Atlantic City, meals out, $18 Avatar IMAX tickets.

Surely you jest.

Talk about something serious. Go check that web site that lists the greatest genocides of all times - there were over 100 million slaughtered in the 20th century by governments - not a greedy corporation on the list.

BTW, I have been doing business with BofA and holding their credit cards for 38 years and have never paid a single cent of interest nor spent a single night in their "debtors prisons".

While you are researching, check why companies are planting so much corn - it is because the government is stealing from the citizens and using their money to subsidize corn production and ethanol production. If the corn producers had to compete without the government subsidies they would freely choose to do something besides plant corn.