Does Booze Help?

dieselgal · Post by **dieselgal** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:31 pm

I am so desperate for some sleep that I am considering a bottle of wine tonight. I don't drink but I might begin if it helps. Anyone?

Goofproof · Post by **Goofproof** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:36 pm

Booze helps Apnea, it makes it worse, like any drug the mind sends the signal to breath, mind out to lunch equal trouble. Jim

eutychus · Post by **eutychus** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:56 pm

Goofproof wrote:"... mind out to lunch equal trouble." Jim

Great quote! I'm using that someday soon.

Kiralynx · Post by **Kiralynx** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:11 pm

dieselgal wrote:I am so desperate for some sleep that I am considering a bottle of wine tonight. I don't drink but I might begin if it helps. Anyone?

Regrettably, wine, like any sedation, won't help you get real sleep. It will increase the number of breathing issues you have and increase your sleep fragmentation.

What issues are you having with your therapy that you can't sleep?

Wulfman · Post by **Wulfman** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:20 pm

I'm going to come from a different direction.

It MIGHT help.......
How do you have your Auto configured? (range of pressures or CPAP mode?)
A little wine around supper time may help relax you. I wouldn't drink it too close to bedtime, though.

I've had mixed results with consumption of "adult beverages" in the evening. (which I don't normally do anymore)

Den

slacker361 · Post by **slacker361** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:44 pm

Get some melatonin, for years I couldnt sleep, prob because of the apnea. I got some 3 mg melatonin, put under my tounge and in 20 min I am asleep. I dont need it anymore, but I still use it because it is a great antioxidant.

jnk · Post by **jnk** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:49 pm

"Alcohol consumption may have profound effect on breathing and arterial blood oxygenation during sleep in patients with obstructive sleep apnoea by causing longer apnoeic episodes and lower levels of arterial oxyhaemoglobin saturation. . . . The arousal response to asphyxia is depressed with consequently longer apnoeic durations. . . . Reduction of muscle tone (such as induced by alcohol) will promote upper airway occlusion. . . . Nasal airway mucosal engorgement with rhinorrhoea following the intake of alcohol may increase the airway resistance which will favour oropharyngeal occlusion, since it necessitates greater suction pressures downstream during inspiration."

--Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery, and Psychiatry 1982;45:353-359/Alcohol, snoring and sleep apnoea/FAIQ G ISSA, COLIN E SULLIVAN/From the Department of Medicine, University of Sydney, and the Department of Thoracic Medicine, Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, Sydney, Australia.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picren ... obtype=pdf

kteague · Post by **kteague** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:01 pm

I regret to hear you are still having so much trouble. Knowing personally how it feels to be so desperate for sleep, I'd be tempted to say to go for it. I would venture to say, though, that some of your meds probably warn against use of alcohol, not to mention the effect on apnea and sleep architecture.

Has your doctor reevaluated your limb movements?

Wulfman · Post by **Wulfman** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:11 pm

kteague wrote:I regret to hear you are still having so much trouble. Knowing personally how it feels to be so desperate for sleep, I'd be tempted to say to go for it. I would venture to say, though, that some of your meds probably warn against use of alcohol, not to mention the effect on apnea and sleep architecture.

Has your doctor reevaluated your limb movements?

Ooooooh........ In that case, be cautious and check out any adverse effects.

Den

dieselgal · Post by **dieselgal** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:25 pm

I know I have said all this before but my problem isn't getting to sleep. I go to bed, very good sleep hygiene and I am asleep within 15 mins. My problem is that around 2 o'clock I wake up wide awake. I lay until I knod off again but from that point on I am awake generally at least one time and hour and I don't mean drowsy awake. I am AWAKE. Most of my night is spent trying to get back to sleep. This happens now even with Ambien. I have tried Melatonin and other drugs but they don't keep me asleep. I have tried everything legal and every trick I can think of and it is driving me NUTS.
Last night I went to bed, fell quickly to sleep and had this odd dream where the house was about to explode and I needed to tell my hubby so we could run, but my mouth wouldn't work and I couldn't scream. I finally woke myself up moaning and trying to talk. Looked at the clock and it was 2:25. Then it was after 3:30 before I nodded off again and woke probably 5 more times before 6 a.m. I am not getting rest and my brain is suffering. For this last week I have gotten so little restorative sleep that I feel weepy and pissed all the time.(My hubby might say that is normal) but maybe it is because I don't sleep.
As for the cpap machine that seems to be working fine and my numbers always look great. I have the m series auto and it is set 7- 13. My usual number is right at 10. Not having events etc.

slacker361 · Post by **slacker361** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:20 pm

I use to have the same problem , have you had your thyroid checked? also the melatonin will help , if you need to take one in the middle of the night its ok, the half life of it is only 30 - 45 minutes. you can safely take upto 12 mg. Just your experiance sounds the same as mine and I know how much of a tortured sole I was, I use to just cry to be able to sleep. In my humble opinion, i believe it is the brains way of trying to stay alive, keeping you from sleeping so you wont have an apnea event, and start starving the brain of the life saving o2........again just my humble opinion

Wulfman · Post by **Wulfman** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:21 pm

dieselgal wrote:I know I have said all this before but my problem isn't getting to sleep. I go to bed, very good sleep hygiene and I am asleep within 15 mins. My problem is that around 2 o'clock I wake up wide awake. I lay until I knod off again but from that point on I am awake generally at least one time and hour and I don't mean drowsy awake. I am AWAKE. Most of my night is spent trying to get back to sleep. This happens now even with Ambien. I have tried Melatonin and other drugs but they don't keep me asleep. I have tried everything legal and every trick I can think of and it is driving me NUTS.
Last night I went to bed, fell quickly to sleep and had this odd dream where the house was about to explode and I needed to tell my hubby so we could run, but my mouth wouldn't work and I couldn't scream. I finally woke myself up moaning and trying to talk. Looked at the clock and it was 2:25. Then it was after 3:30 before I nodded off again and woke probably 5 more times before 6 a.m. I am not getting rest and my brain is suffering. For this last week I have gotten so little restorative sleep that I feel weepy and pissed all the time.(My hubby might say that is normal) but maybe it is because I don't sleep.
As for the cpap machine that seems to be working fine and my numbers always look great. I have the m series auto and it is set 7- 13. My usual number is right at 10. Not having events etc.

How much is your pressure changing during the night? (I gather that you have the software?)
Have you noticed whether your pressure is spiking or "something" at the time you're awakening?

For what it's worth, I can relate to waking up during the night and then my brain doesn't want to shut up. (usually too much stress at work) I usually get back to sleep, but sometimes it takes a little while. It usually helps to get up and walk around for awhile to clear my head of frustrations.

Den

georgepds · Post by **georgepds** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:43 pm

dieselgal wrote:I know I have said all this before but my problem isn't getting to sleep. I go to bed, very good sleep hygiene and I am asleep within 15 mins. My problem is that around 2 o'clock I wake up wide awake. I lay until I knod off again but from that point on I am awake generally at least one time and hour and I don't mean drowsy awake. I am AWAKE. Most of my night is spent trying to get back to sleep. ....

Hi

I have a similar problem, not every night, but most nights. What I do is just get up, grab a book and cup of tea, and read till I'm drowsy. It generally takes an hour or so. I realize this is not a solution, but it is one way of coping. What may be different is that I'm no longer drowsy during the day. If I check the (interrupted) sleep logs, I'm still getting about 6 to 7 hours.

The technique may work for you. The key is to know when to put down the book, and not stay up all night reading it . I had a crack of dawn meeting today, and the book was a collection of Vonnegut's . It was difficult to put down when the first spot of drowsiness appeared.

--G

MrSandman · Post by **MrSandman** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:52 pm

dieselgal wrote:I am so desperate for some sleep that I am considering a bottle of wine tonight. I don't drink but I might begin if it helps. Anyone?

I have been drinking wine a lot more recently and I can say per how I feel or how my numbers look that without a doubt even one large glass of wine within a few hours of sleep worsens everything. Yes I may sleep faster and think I sleep deeper but this is not true. Bad idea.

chriscummings83 · Post by **chriscummings83** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:27 pm

The one night I sleep the entire night all the way through, I didn't have any worse apena or anything, But I was drunk and I didn't care abou tthe mask, only slept for 6 hours but the best sleep ever

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