Hybrid mask

Ody · Post by **Ody** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:00 pm

I just picked up one of these this morning so I find the whole thread very interesting. I have made two calls to 800-200-9842 and talked to two different people. Seems they do not know anything about various Revisions.

cpap.com says the Hybrid has a high return rate and thinks the Resmed Liberty is a better choice. Now I am really confused.

Wyl · Post by **Wyl** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:12 pm

Ody, IMHO someone who has never seen you in person or talked through a number of issues with you is irresponsible at best in telling you which mask is better or worse for you. Masks are a very individual experience, what works great for me might not work for you at all, and vice versa.

As far as Liberty vs. Hybrid, I think over the weekend I'm going to try to do a more formalized "review" (since I've used both), but for now if you look at this thread you can see a summary of my own experiences with the two masks - viewtopic/t23506/Yay-Got-my-Hybrid-today-.html

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:24 pm

Neverbetter,

Thanks for the info. I looked at the data and the flow is > 40 at 10 cm. It looks like 50 or so. I think I'll call the teleflex/innomed and see what they say regarding rev C.

Ody · Post by **Ody** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:38 pm

Wyl wrote:Ody, IMHO someone who has never seen you in person or talked through a number of issues with you is irresponsible at best in telling you which mask is better or worse for you. Masks are a very individual experience, what works great for me might not work for you at all, and vice versa.

Will I think you are reading something into this that wasn't said. Nobody told me which mask was better for me. I think you will agree that the Hybrid and Liberty are very similar in design. I intend to try both I would like to start with the one that seems to work for most first. In this thread it seems there is information posted that Innomed has no knowledge of.

neverbetter · Post by **neverbetter** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:39 pm

Good luck with a liberty, too painful for me, but I need soft pillows that dont press hard against my nose.

if you read posts from people who have tried both, you'll get a good picture.
Seems Hybrid is prefered most of the time if you believe the people who post.

Ody · Post by **Ody** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:41 pm

Anonymous wrote:Neverbetter,

Thanks for the info. I looked at the data and the flow is > 40 at 10 cm. It looks like 50 or so. I think I'll call the teleflex/innomed and see what they say regarding rev C.

I have done this twice today and talked to two different people. Both had no knowledge of Revision differences.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:54 pm

cpap.com must be stuck with some libertys.

OwlCreekObserver · Post by **OwlCreekObserver** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:35 pm

As has been said here many times, there is no mask that works well for everyone. I jumped through a dozen hoops to get my insurance to agree to pay for a Hybrid but after trying every possible combination of sizes and angles, I never could get good results with it. The biggest problem for me was leaks and I just couldn't get past them no matter what I tried, including the removal of the chin flap on two different sizes. A lot of people here have offered advice on making it work but none of it panned out for me.

I also bombed out on the F&P 432, which many people here swear by.

I've since gone back to the Comfort Curve and sometimes the Comfort Classic (both with mouth taping) and get decent results. I keep my old Comfort Full 2 around for when congestion makes nose breathing too difficult.

But every one of the masks that I'm using now has received some very negative comments from folks here who have tried them at one time or another and just couldn't make them work.

Ain't diversity wonderful?

OCO

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:23 pm

[quote="neverbetter"]Look at the manual of the new hybrid you got. If the passive leak rate is less than 40 lpm at 10 cm, than you have the new adaptive flow shell and it will work very well with auto-pap.

CPAP.com's web site says this about the Hybrid mask, if you ordered it from them recently:

"The Hybrid masks that we have in stock now have the Adaptive Flow Technology that some people were asking about on CPAPTalk.com"

Wyl · Post by **Wyl** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:20 pm

Ody wrote:Will I think you are reading something into this that wasn't said. Nobody told me which mask was better for me. I think you will agree that the Hybrid and Liberty are very similar in design. I intend to try both I would like to start with the one that seems to work for most first. In this thread it seems there is information posted that Innomed has no knowledge of.

"cpap.com says the Hybrid has a high return rate and thinks the Resmed Liberty is a better choice. Now I am really confused. "

That implied to me that cpap.com was telling you that the Liberty was a better choice than the Hybrid, based on nothing more than their impressions and without knowing anything about your individual situation. Are you saying that's not the case?

roster · Post by **roster** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:46 pm

I have been using the Hybrid nightly for 12 months on straight cpap 10 cm. The mask solved several problems for me and rarely leaks.

Innomed, the designer and manufacturer, made several mistakes starting out. First, the original headgear was too flimsy and was eventually replaced by a better headgear. Second, the original shell had a high vent rate that "confused" some, if not all, of the auto machines. This shell has been replaced by a shell that looks identical except for smaller diameter vent holes and by that a lower vent rate.

That said, no one mask works for everyone and I don't believe you can ever be sure of a mask without giving it a good try yourself.

tooly125 · Post by **tooly125** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:08 pm

rooster wrote:I have been using the Hybrid nightly for 12 months on straight cpap 10 cm. The mask solved several problems for me and rarely leaks.

Rooster are you still using the original pillows and mouthpiece?
Like you I have been using the Hybrid for a little over a year and have not replaced anything on it.(except the headgear of course)
I think the mask is more comfortable than ever and is showing no signs of wear.

This company is not going to get rich off of me!!

roster · Post by **roster** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:17 pm

[quote="tooly125"]
Rooster are you still using the original pillows and mouthpiece?
Like you I have been using the Hybrid for a little over a year and have not replaced anything on it.(except the headgear of course)
I think the mask is more comfortable than ever and is showing no signs of wear.

This company is not going to get rich off of me!!

cflame1 · Post by **cflame1** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:28 pm

I'm still using the original shell as well... have replaced the headgear and some of the pillows/cushions

Wyl · Post by **Wyl** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:38 am

Yeah, since I don't use an auto machine I've never had a problem with my Rev. A Hybrid. While I've been using the Liberty for the last month, the Hybrid worked well for me (main complaint being the flimsy original headgear I've still got for it). Using the original pillows and mouthpiece as well. I got the Liberty since I got a new machine and decided to try the "latest and greatest" hybrid-style mask since insurance was replacing my old setup anyway. I'm not unhappy that I got the Liberty, but I think in the end I still prefer the Hybrid.