*curtsies* how do you do ... (embracing my newbieness; a testimony)

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Re: *curtsies* how do you do ... (embracing my newbieness; a testimony)

Post by Pugsy » Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:07 pm

zonker wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:48 pm
PennyPinchin wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:43 pm
Pugsy wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:23 pm
Then maybe just a post to ask about skin therapy without all the hooplah about how great your SoClean stuff is????
Do you read for SoClean and then ignore everything else? You a free to live like a hammer, but not everything is a nail.
yeah. all 56,677 of her posts have been about soclean.
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:lol: :lol: yeah...that's all I do here...look to bash SoClean and not maybe save someone's lungs from damage.

I offered no skin care tips because I have none to offer and I know others here might have something to offer. It's not my area of expertise which is of course bashing SoClean since I don't do anything else here.

Not to mention that if someone wants to believe a DME over a ResMed obvious policy statement or the FDA itself...I give up. We all know that DMEs won't ever lie and/or be ignorant....cough, cough. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink if they don't want to.....so I quit trying. I learned long ago bashing my head against that stone wall hurts no one but me.

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Re: *curtsies* how do you do ... (embracing my newbieness; a testimony)

Post by PennyPinchin » Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:11 pm

So... this was worth it! I called the Customer Service # (that was 866-501-3705, again 866-501-3705, and tell 'em Penny sent ya! :-P ) and this was what was emailed to me.

Pros: the information is useful. I did not know what I did not know. I appreciate any and all opportunities to use my inner birddog skillz.
Cons: I shoulda negotiated getting paid for every time the name SoClean gets used! But if you sign up on my downline.... *ahem*

Q: What is activated oxygen?
A: Activated oxygen also known as ozone, or O3 is defined by MerriamWebster dictionary as: 1. a form of oxygen that is found in a layer high in the earth’s atmosphere. 2. fresh healthy air especially near the sea. Activated oxygen is a three atom oxygen molecule. This three atom molecule is a colorless gas with powerful oxidizing properties, formed from oxygen by electrical discharges or ultraviolet light. It differs from normal oxygen (O2) but over time or with forced filtration, will break back down to normal oxygen (O2) that we breathe. Many become confused over the term ozone. There is good ozone and there is bad ozone. Most commonly used is bad ozone which is linked to high ozone alerts or smog alerts in certain areas of the world. This kind of ozone is mixed with toxic gases that can be breathed in. Good ozone is found in our upper atmosphere or you may smell the essence of ozone after a thunderstorm. Activated oxygen (ozone) is known as one of the best and most effective means to natural disinfection. This process is commonly used in array of applications such as public water filtration, fruit and vegetable handling, hotel housekeeping, and hospital disinfection. Please see common FAQs to learn more about activated oxygen (ozone) or see activated oxygen in SoClean to learn how the SoClean safely disinfects your CPAP equipment.

Q: Is ozone/activated oxygen really safe?
A: Activated oxygen, also called ozone or O3 occurs in nature. It is produced and used commercially in applications for sanitizing produce, waste and drinking water. The SoClean is designed to keep the activated oxygen enclosed in your CPAP equipment and the secure chamber. And, when the sanitizing process is complete, the ozone turns back into regular oxygen.

Q: Isn't activated oxygen ozone?
A: Yes. These terms are interchangeable and mean the same thing.

Q: What is the concentration of ozone inside the SoClean CPAP cleaner and sanitizer?
A: SoClean uses enough ozone to thoroughly sanitize your CPAP equipment and by the time you open the chamber it will have decreased to 0 ppm.

Q: How does the SoClean produce activated oxygen? Do I have to buy supplies for it?
A: The SoClean produces the activated oxygen on its own. Regular oxygen from the air is taken in and converted to activated oxygen, O3, for the sanitizing/cleaning process. The filter in the chamber converts it back to regular oxygen, O2, before it exits the chamber.

Q: Why do I smell ozone while the SoClean is running?
A: Please make sure the SoClean lid is shut securely and that your CPAP cleaner and sanitizer is connected to the SoClean securely. Some ozone molecules may escape into the air, but they will be so dispersed in the volume of air in the room, and will not pose a hazard.

Q: There is a strong odor after using my SoClean.
A: Sometimes you may experience a strong odor after running the SoClean for the first time. This is a byproduct of the oxidation with activated oxygen of the old materials that may have been used to clean your CPAP equipment in the past, such as vinegar or scented soaps. It may also occur when a new piece of CPAP equipment is introduced to the SoClean for the first time. The odor will decrease with time. To help the odor go away faster, you may increase the cleaning time to 11 minutes for a few weeks and then decrease the time back to 7 minutes. You can also run your CPAP for 10 minutes before using. These steps will help the odor to decrease quicker.

Thank you, Pugsy! I am now an informed consumer, and that means everything to me.

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Re: *curtsies* how do you do ... (embracing my newbieness; a testimony)

Post by Dog Slobber » Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:23 pm

  • Fact: Ozone is incompatible with many materials. This is well understood and widely published. Here's but one of the lists of materials and their respective resistance to ozone oxidation damage.
    https://ozonesolutions.com/blog/ozone-c ... materials/
  • Fact: ResMed is an authority on their machines and the materials that they are made from.
  • Fact: ResMed has made a press release indicating they have observed damage to their machines that is consistent with Ozone damage.
    https://www.resmed.com/us/dam/documents ... letter.pdf
  • Fact: ResMed has made a press release potentially voiding warranties caused by Ozone
  • Fact: ResMed has not made any similar warranty or damage potential press releases with UV cleaning devices. One really should ask oneself, Why would ResMed issue such damning statements for Ozone cleaning products but not UV cleaning products?
  • Fact: Ozone concentrations as low as 0.5 ppm can cause lung disorders
    https://cms.esi.info/Media/documents/AirPr_Ozone_ML.pdf
  • Fact: SoClean states Ozone concentration is 10 ppm. (20 times higher than minimum concentration to cause harm)
    https://www.soclean.com/uk/soclean-faq
  • Fact: For ozone to be effective in destroying pathogens it must be present in concentrations considered harmful for humans.
    https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/saf ... chines-and
  • Fact: When SoClean is connected to your CPAP machine an Ozone venting path is created to the outside environment through the CPAP air intake.
  • Fact: The half-life of Ozone at room temperature and zero humidity averages approximately 1500 minutes.
    https://ojs.openagrar.de/index.php/JKA/article/view/516

Every point made is supported by authoritative sources, none of whom are selling CPAP cleaning devices.
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Post by Pugsy » Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:29 pm

Maybe some reading from someone not wanting to sell the SoClean might be in order if someone wants to be full informed.
Of course we all know that SoClean would never lie to us...or not tell us the entire truth.....cough, cough
And we know their devices would never, ever leak out into the bedroom because they tell us this just can't happen.

hey...ChicagoGranny...you around??? Where's the link to the thread from the guy who actually tested the effectiveness of the device because that's what his job is. I don't have that link handy and I forget his name. And with this...my Foe list has increased in size and I am done. This horse just doesn't want to drink and at this point I really don't care. You other guys/gals and waste your time if you wish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone
Ozone is a powerful oxidant (far more so than dioxygen) and has many industrial and consumer applications related to oxidation. This same high oxidizing potential, however, causes ozone to damage mucous and respiratory tissues in animals, and also tissues in plants, above concentrations of about 0.1 ppm. While this makes ozone a potent respiratory hazard and pollutant near ground level, a higher concentration in the ozone layer (from two to eight ppm) is beneficial, preventing damaging UV light from reaching the Earth's surface.
How is Ozone Harmful?

The same chemical properties that allow high concentrations of ozone to react with organic material outside the body give it the ability to react with similar organic material that makes up the body, and potentially cause harmful health consequences. When inhaled, ozone can damage the lungs. Relatively low amounts can cause chest pain, coughing, shortness of breath and throat irritation. Ozone may also worsen chronic respiratory diseases such as asthma and compromise the ability of the body to fight respiratory infections. People vary widely in their susceptibility to ozone. Healthy people, as well as those with respiratory difficulty, can experience breathing problems when exposed to ozone. Exercise during exposure to ozone causes a greater amount of ozone to be inhaled, and increases the risk of harmful respiratory effects. Recovery from the harmful effects can occur following short-term exposure to low levels of ozone, but health effects may become more damaging and recovery less certain at higher levels or from longer exposures

https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality- ... r-cleaners

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Post by PennyPinchin » Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:36 pm

*reads all comments, all links, calls a few toll-free numbers and thinks about how educational this has all been*

thank you, everyone! I appreciate the information. With this cleaning machine imparting into my sleep experience for the last seven months, I am going to bring it up to my PCP and ask about next steps to explore if I have any lung damage. Having used it alongside my cpap since Day 1, I have acclimated to it being an integral part of the cpap experience. However, I don't want to be one who believes everything she thinks; these conversations are good fodder to test assumptions. Perhaps change is the resulting conclusion...or, perhaps not.

Lung damage is not cool; the whole point with sleep therapy is to improve my lungs (and brain, heart, and wherever O2 is needed in the body). I've had no sinus infections nor allergy issues. This is such a welcome change to what life was before. But first, the lungs.

Again, my thanks.

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Post by zonker » Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:40 pm

PennyPinchin wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:36 pm
*reads all comments, all links, calls a few toll-free numbers and thinks about how educational this has all been*
<snip>
Again, my thanks.
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well played, penny.

my respect for you has gone up several notches.

it's not everyone who can change their mind like that even after getting all the knowledge.
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Re: *curtsies* how do you do ... (embracing my newbieness; a testimony)

Post by PennyPinchin » Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:48 pm

zonker wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:40 pm
PennyPinchin wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:36 pm
*reads all comments, all links, calls a few toll-free numbers and thinks about how educational this has all been*
<snip>
Again, my thanks.
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well played, penny.

my respect for you has gone up several notches.

it's not everyone who can change their mind like that even after getting all the knowledge.
I don't need to be right, but I do need to get it right. I appreciate the efforts toward education.
*curtsies again*

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Post by zonker » Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:50 pm

PennyPinchin wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:48 pm

I don't need to be right, but I do need to get it right. I appreciate the efforts toward education.
*curtsies again*
then you will LOVE it when palerider shows up!

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Post by Julie » Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:51 pm

:lol: :lol: You so don't look like the curtseying kind (that's a compliment :lol: )!

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Post by chunkyfrog » Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:59 pm

Re, Penny; It looks like everything but the ozone blower was a great idea.
You put a lot of effort into getting "the whole package", except they got you on that one rotten item.
I would avoid that POS myself, even though I have bacon and eggs nearly every morning for breakfast.
Expect to see unusual yellowing, etc of silicone parts--and the continued need to actually CLEAN your stuff.
The name is a LIE--the damn thing does NOT clean anything except your wallet.
Pugsy knows her business--and most of us agree wholeheartedly.

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Post by zonker » Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:01 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:59 pm
Re, Penny; It looks like everything but the ozone blower was a great idea.
BUT did you read all of her posts? she's in agreement now about noclean. she's done her research.
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Post by PennyPinchin » Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:09 pm

Julie wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:51 pm
:lol: :lol: You so don't look like the curtseying kind (that's a compliment :lol: )!
About that avatar... I found it years ago. I LOVE HER! I neither look nor live like her. The pic is low res, but who cares? As the kiddies say, "hashtag goals" :lol:

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Post by PennyPinchin » Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:12 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:59 pm
Re, Penny; It looks like everything but the ozone blower was a great idea.
You put a lot of effort into getting "the whole package", except they got you on that one rotten item.
I would avoid that POS myself, even though I have bacon and eggs nearly every morning for breakfast.
Expect to see unusual yellowing, etc of silicone parts--and the continued need to actually CLEAN your stuff.
The name is a LIE--the damn thing does NOT clean anything except your wallet.
Pugsy knows her business--and most of us agree wholeheartedly.
I'm not taking any of it personally; sometimes it takes a mind blown to achieve a mind shown. I can easily push everything to the margins of CYA in the business world, but the USDA videos (or was it FDA?) on youtube made me choose to err on the side of rationality. Again, I am taking this to my PCP and requesting to look at my lungs. As long as I have been on CPAP, I have been on SoClean, so I want to analyze data, because that's what I do for a living.

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Post by Lucyhere » Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:30 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:59 pm
I have bacon and eggs nearly every morning for breakfast.

:shock: EVERY morning??

Judge Judy says her doctor told her if she wants to live to a ripe old age, not to fall down (break anything) and not to eat Bacon!
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Post by HD4Mark » Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:20 am

Lucyhere wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:30 pm
and not to eat Bacon!
Oh no! Today is actually National Bacon day.

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