KC's sleep study and therapy

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Re: KC's sleep study and therapy

Post by Pugsy » Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:24 pm

palerider wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:09 pm
He's got wicked flow limitations, it'll move :D
Yeah, I saw that those but then I also saw the history of sinusitis (which I never know if people are calling nasal mucosa issues ..sinus issues) and I wondered how much of those FLs are nasal mucosa related.
Time will tell....the machine will try to kill them but might not have much success.

BTW....I am thinking OP is a she and not a he (not that it is a critical issue) because of the mention of age of 53, hot flashes, and HRT.
And the reduced pulmonary function testing is also a concern.
UARS is a possibility but it might not be the only possibility of something messing with her sleep and how she feels besides SDB.
I am thinking probably more than one annoying culprit might be going on.

I wish we hadn't lost gender profile choice with the new upgraded software last year. It was kinda handy sometimes.

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Re: KC's sleep study and therapy

Post by palerider » Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:29 pm

Pugsy wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:24 pm
BTW....I am thinking OP is a she and not a he (not that it is a critical issue) because of the mention of age of 53, hot flashes, and HRT.
Ooops! :oops:
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I wish we hadn't lost gender profile choice with the new upgraded software last year. It was kinda handy sometimes.
Indeed.

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Re: KC's sleep study and therapy

Post by KC1965 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:11 pm

Yep, OP is a "she". Would like sometimes to be a "he" just to avoid these annoying menopause symptoms. The last 7 months were a totally different life for me than before, it feels like lot of things go wrong in my body. I'm trying to keep a positive attitude but it is not easy with sleep deprivation.

Thank you both for comments and advice. I will try different values for the min/max pressure in order to find what suits me best.

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Re: KC's sleep study and therapy

Post by palerider » Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:21 pm

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Yep, OP is a "she". Would like sometimes to be a "he" just to avoid these annoying menopause symptoms. The last 7 months were a totally different life for me than before, it feels like lot of things go wrong in my body. I'm trying to keep a positive attitude but it is not easy with sleep deprivation.
Speaking of menopause: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/90 ... 9444&faf=1

Accupuncture is reported to help.

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Re: KC's sleep study and therapy

Post by KC1965 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:28 am

palerider wrote:
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Speaking of menopause: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/90 ... 9444&faf=1

Accupuncture is reported to help.
There are also studies that say "acupuncture doesn't work" or that it works, "but only compared to nothing". HRT definitely works better, but the downside is the side effects.

I've decided to go on the HRT path after doing all the tests my doctor recommended. The conclusion was that the benefits for me outweigh the risks. At some point in the future (probably after my retirement) I will give up using HRT and try alternative terapies. :roll:

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Re: KC's sleep study and therapy

Post by palerider » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:42 am

KC1965 wrote:
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palerider wrote:
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Speaking of menopause: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/90 ... 9444&faf=1

Accupuncture is reported to help.
There are also studies that say "acupuncture doesn't work" or that it works, "but only compared to nothing".
Perhaps, but this is the *latest* study...

for whatever that's worth.

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Re: KC's sleep study and therapy

Post by Pugsy » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:00 am

I didn't do any HRT. What with 2 aunts (on my mom's side) having breast cancer...my mom having breast cancer (twice)...my grandmother on my mom's side having breast cancer ...and a personal friend developing it about 1 year after going on HRT and 25 years later it came back.

It wasn't pleasant all those menopause side effects and they took years to fade and even now at age 66 I still sometimes get hot flashes but I would have been a nervous wreck worrying about cancer if I had gone on HRT. Hell...it's bad enough now since my mom had hers come back last year on the other boob.

It wasn't until menopause that I had any OSA symptoms pop up though. I know who gets full blame for my OSA.
Everything starts to sag...boobs, butt, belly and airway tissues.

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Re: KC's sleep study and therapy

Post by KC1965 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:15 am

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I didn't do any HRT. What with 2 aunts (on my mom's side) having breast cancer...my mom having breast cancer (twice)...my grandmother on my mom's side having breast cancer ...and a personal friend developing it about 1 year after going on HRT and 25 years later it came back.
There is no history of breast cancer in my family. Of course, that does not ensure I'm totally safe. I'm not totally safe even without HRT.
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It wasn't pleasant all those menopause side effects and they took years to fade and even now at age 66 I still sometimes get hot flashes but I would have been a nervous wreck worrying about cancer if I had gone on HRT. Hell...it's bad enough now since my mom had hers come back last year on the other boob.
My menopause hot flashes ruined my life. I only slept 2-3 fragmented hours a night. I needed to take time off work as I couldn't concentrate or think properly. My blood pressure went up (never had problems before) because of not sleeping properly as per my cardiologist. Plus OSA (or UARS or SDB or whatever I have), as a bonus. I just couldn't cope with all these.

Wishing your mom a lot of strength to fight and beat it once again!
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Everything starts to sag...boobs, butt, belly and airway tissues.
:lol: Indeed!

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Re: KC's sleep study and therapy

Post by Pugsy » Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:29 am

Everything we do or don't do comes with risks vs rewards. Each of us as an individual has to make the decision which risks warrant what rewards.
If my familial history had been different I might have opted for HRT but that wasn't the life cards I was dealt with.
I am still debating whether I want to get that blood test to see if I have that familial gene. I don't know if I want to know.

I don't blame anyone for doing anything as long as they make an educated and informed decision and they are comfortable with it.
Now my sister...she opted for some HRT...probably was a good thing because she was such a bitch she might have ended up being murdered or murdering someone. :lol: :lol:

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Re: KC's sleep study and therapy

Post by KC1965 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:21 am

Are these centrals SWJ?
I don't remember waking up.
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Re: KC's sleep study and therapy

Post by palerider » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:56 am

KC1965 wrote:
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Are these centrals SWJ?
I don't remember waking up.
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You probably didn't remember waking up all the times you'd wake up with your untreated apnea, either :)

They all look like post arousal centrals.

'swj' is more *transition* apneas... where you're transitioning from being awake to asleep, or vice versa, vs a brief disturbance in your sleep where you're just rolling over, or moving around to relieve something that might be hurting... but not 'awake'.

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Re: KC's sleep study and therapy

Post by KC1965 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:06 am

Thanks for the reply.

Those were the only events last night. It is definitely better than before CPAP, my numbers are great, still not feeling rested and fresh in the morning. I think my body needs a longer time to recover from those sleep deprivation months.

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Re: KC's sleep study and therapy

Post by palerider » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:55 am

KC1965 wrote:
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Thanks for the reply.

Those were the only events last night. It is definitely better than before CPAP, my numbers are great, still not feeling rested and fresh in the morning. I think my body needs a longer time to recover from those sleep deprivation months.
Well, ya know, it did take you months, if not years, to get to the point you were at... sometimes it takes time to recover. :) Keep at it.

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Re: KC's sleep study and therapy

Post by Pugsy » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:44 am

Sometimes I take the time to scroll through the flow rate and just look for the evidence of arousal breathing...doesn't matter if there was a flag anywhere around it or not. Doesn't matter if I necessarily remember waking up either. I look for the arousal breathing because I know that the potential for crappy sleep quality increases the more arousal breathing I see.
Arousals can mess with sleep architecture in a way that we end up not getting the optimal amounts of each sleep stage in a nice normal progression for the restorative powers of sleep to work their magic.
The arousals aren't always related to airway collapse or Sleep Disordered Breathing either. It can't be any number of causes for the arousal and sometime there is that old "spontaneous" arousal thing where we simply don't know why the arousal happened.

I might have nights when the AHI is nice and low and the flow rate really looks good from the airway side of things but I might have 40 (over say 6 or 7 hours of sleep) episodes of arousal breathing seen and I don't spot anything related to the airway maybe causing the arousal. In my case I have a known potential culprit for my arousals being the pain stuff but it doesn't have to be pain related...it can be anything related. Sometimes we just don't know why we have the arousals but we know that when we have a lot of them we don't feel so great no matter what the AHI might be. It's not always so easy to eliminate the cause of the arousals even when we know what the cause is....damn near impossible when we don't know what to blame them on.

I like to show this guy's flow rate as an example...horrible flow rate in terms of sleep quality. He doesn't have OSA and pretty much all the flagged events are arousal related. He did have an in lab diagnostic sleep study and came out of it with AHI of less than 1.0...OSA isn't his problem. He did come out of it with a truckload of spontaneous arousals though....unrelated to airway issues.
He was hoping cpap would fix his problem of crappy sleep and feeling crappy. It didn't...big surprise because his crappy sleep was NOT from OSA or airway issues.

Add in the fact that just because we might have OSA....doesn't mean we can't also have something else messing with our sleep quality.
Like me...I have OSA...cpap takes real good care of that side of my sleep problems related to the airway issues but doesn't do a damn thing for my other problem which is pain from good old arthritis messing with my sleep. That's a separate problem that I have to work on dealing with. It's a struggle sometimes though....not so easy to deal with. Meds bring their own baggage that's not always so nice either.

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Re: KC's sleep study and therapy

Post by KC1965 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:30 am

Thank you, Pugsy, for all the explanations. I will take time to examine closer my flow rate charts.

I suspect my arousals and flow-limitations have something to do with my chronic sinusitis. Last week I started to use something similar to a Neti pot and saline solution to clear my sinuses. Maybe the nasal irrigation will bring some relief of sinus symptoms and hopefully this will lead to a better sleep.