New Product: SoClean Mask Wipes

[Pugsy]

My thoughts on cpap.com deciding to sell anything (doesn't matter if I find it a useful product or not) is that it is their business and they get to decide what they want to inventory or keep on hand.

It is NOT their job to decide what I should buy or shouldn't buy. That's my job.

Think about it folks...if Johnny is so anti censorship here on this forum..what makes you think he is going to run his business any differently. He's real big on freedom of choice and speech...he offers a product and if it sells well then I just imagine he will keep selling it and if it doesn't sell well...then it will likely get eventually dropped from the supply inventory.
The market should be allowed to dictate...and I just imagine given how Johnny hates any sort of restrictions that even remotely might impinge on individual rights...he's going to offer a product...if it sells..it sells...if it doesn't then he won't want to tie up his money in inventory for it.

He has the right to offer whatever he wants to offer...and we have the right to vote with our checkbook how much we want something or not. They offer machines that I wouldn't want if they were free...but again...no one at cpap.com is holding a gun to anyone's head and telling anyone that they HAVE to buy anything. They offer a choice..that's all. The SoClean wipe choice...no different than any other wipe choice (and there are a couple of others right now I just saw). It's not like that is the only wipe they offer or the only type of cleaning solution or whatever.

[ChicagoGranny]

My position is that if people were suddenly to limit their purchases to things that were actually useful and needed and economical, the entire world economy would collapse.

Any sudden shock can mean trouble for an economy.

But, an economy whose resources were not wasted on frivolous products and services and scams, would be a very strong economy indeed.

Furthermore, the part of the business cycle where there is a steep and painful recession is caused by excess spending on products and services that have low utility.

[jnk...]

frivolous products and services

Which is anything beyond bread, water, and a tent, depending on one's own personal definitions. But any so-called consumer-driven economy is BASED on the idea that people will be buying more than that.

I could have Rooster/Roster explain all that to you, if you want.

[ChicagoGranny]

Which is anything beyond bread, water, and a tent, depending on one's own personal definitions.

If that is all you think brings utility to life, carry on.

[Goofproof]

I find it curious that our sponsors, . . . decided to sell this.

I don't. The luxury-priced items deserve a place on the same shelf with the generics.

I realize that my opinions often deviate from what is standard (understatement of the month?), but as much as I hate the misleading SoClean machine commercials, I don't mind the sellers/resellers selling the machine. And I wouldn't even mind if our sponsors sold the machine, for that matter. After all, if people want one (bless their little hearts), they ought to be able to get one from a reputable, service-oriented business.

My position is that if people were suddenly to limit their purchases to things that were actually useful and needed and economical, the entire world economy would collapse.

Ring around the collar didn't exist until an ad said that it did. (And it would probably make a lot more sense in general if people just washed their necks a little better instead.) Same with most all so-called "cleaning" products. When you want to sell a product or widget for "cleaning," the first step is to hire an agency to overstate the case for it, in order to create a market for the product.

It's just that the SoClean company, in my opinion, far and away oversteps the line of propriety into morally/ethically/legally shaky areas in how they are going about it with what is stated in their ads, especially since CPAP is a medical device that saves lives but that is fighting an uphill battle because unknowing people are looking for excuses to avoid using it.

What good are collars, unless you are a horse, and why would a horse worry about having a ring, that's no Bull, and the Bull doesn't like the Ring in his Nose either! Jim

[Becca59]

I used a gift card to buy my SoClean machine because I was curious and wanted to know what the fuss was all about. Yes, I do believe it SANITIZES , OZONE is a proven sanitizer, but it does not CLEAN. I still have to use wipes or soap & water, etc... so.. will I buy another one if it breaks? NO! !!! not even if I get another gift card to cover the cost! I am so over my soClean now. I find it kind of a pain.

If you forget to hook up the black hose to your water tank, WATER WATER everywhere as it ramps up to 20.... I did that TWICE so far.. and removing the stupid black hose to empty, refill or allow the water tank to dry out... AND you have to replace a $30.00 filter kit twice a year. That's an additional $60.00 a year! FOREVER! I have it unhooked from my equipment most of the time now. I use wipes daily. So Clean is only good if you are a really lazy person who can't use a wipe and are allergic to soap & water. I will occasionally run the SoClean machine because it's an easy way to sanitize the hose & water tank. Maybe once or twice a month. Because I bought it & I have it, AND It makes a GREAT hose/mask holder after you wake up and need to set your hose & Mask someplace out of the way.

Speaking of wipes, I use Wal-Mart (AKA Wally World) brand lemon scented (with no alcohol or aloe). I like it just fine. I am thinking of buying some of that peppermint soap people are raving about. I do wash my equipment in soap & water every now & then. After all, the headgear needs an occasional wash as well.

[Becca59]

Forgot to mention that SoClean wipes are pretty funny. This proves they know the machine doesn't CLEAN. What is the cost? $100.00 for a can of wipes?

[palerider]

I used a gift card to buy my SoClean machine because I was curious and wanted to know what the fuss was all about. Yes, I do believe it SANITIZES ,

Only, it doesn't. The concentration produced in the socrap machine isn't high enough to actually sanitize anything.

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[Freerider]

I have very oily skin and have to clean my mask everyday, thats a pack of wipes roughly every two months! urm nope. I just use the hand soap in the bathroom and it seems fine?

Oily skin, horrible as a teenager great now as I have no wrinkles (yet) bad for full face mask! hand soap (molton brown) seems to do the job and leaves a nice smell.

[palerider]

I have very oily skin and have to clean my mask everyday, thats a pack of wipes roughly every two months! urm nope. I just use the hand soap in the bathroom and it seems fine?

That's perfectly fine, I used a bit of scentless hand sanitizer, cuz the alcohol cleans off the oils very nicely, and quickly.

[prodigyplace]

Forgot to mention that SoClean wipes are pretty funny. This proves they know the machine doesn't CLEAN. What is the cost? $100.00 for a can of wipes?

Our sponsor actually lists the price as $15 or 69 cents per month if you finance it.

The plastic bag has 62 wipes.

[ChicagoGranny]

Yes, I do believe it SANITIZES , OZONE is a proven sanitizer,

Wrong.

I will give you some facts, and I base the facts on the fact that I am the one who works in the industry of low temperature sterilzation

1. So Clean claims they use the same technology as is used in hospitals. LIE - the hospital ozone sterilizers cost upwards of 100,000.00 and require an O2 farm (a room with 15 to 20 tall O2 cylinders) to provide pure oxygen to extract the ozone. Besides the fact that SoClean lied about this, why on earth do you think a 300.00 device can even come close to what a 100,000.00 device can do. If SoClean was validated to sterilize or even high level disinfect, hospitals would have hundreds of them rather than the 100K devices. The SoClean just does not have the power to do what you think it does.

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[jnk...]

What . . . You Must Never Do with Ozone: When you are using ozone, make sure to keep it a good distance away from electronics and sockets. . . . Ozone is a harmful gas when inhaled, therefore, make sure that no one is around to breathe it in when you use it to purify the air. . . . Californian law prohibits its use as an air purifier. . . . Ozone is known to be highly corrosive. Pipes exposed to it could end up with leaks unless they designed with special protection against corrosive substances. -- https://www.cleanwaterstore.com/blog/7- ... ver-ozone/

[Goofproof]

Yes, I do believe it SANITIZES , OZONE is a proven sanitizer,

Wrong.

I will give you some facts, and I base the facts on the fact that I am the one who works in the industry of low temperature sterilzation

1. So Clean claims they use the same technology as is used in hospitals. LIE - the hospital ozone sterilizers cost upwards of 100,000.00 and require an O2 farm (a room with 15 to 20 tall O2 cylinders) to provide pure oxygen to extract the ozone. Besides the fact that SoClean lied about this, why on earth do you think a 300.00 device can even come close to what a 100,000.00 device can do. If SoClean was validated to sterilize or even high level disinfect, hospitals would have hundreds of them rather than the 100K devices. The SoClean just does not have the power to do what you think it does.

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Drain Cleaner is a proven sanitizer, I don't expose my XPAP stuff to it. Jim

[Becca59]

After discussing what everyone has said on this forum with my husband, my husband agrees with you. He says the level of Ozone that the SoClean generates isn't much, and is not likely harmful, especially if you follow the directions, but it's also not as effective at sanitizing like the hospital machines do. I am learning something new every day. buyers remorse, but at least I didn't use my own funds to purchase it, but I do wish I had spent my gift card on something else, but lesson learned. I was hoping and believing the "hype" because I am prone to allergies, sinus infections, etc... I was hoping this machine would make a difference. it hasn't. My brother however, loves his. He got it first, ranted and raved about it, said his sinus infections have cleared up because of the So Clean, so that is why I bought it. I have not told him it's not working that way for me. But, I DO still love the smell of ozone in the air!

Sharper Image (which is now out of business) used to sell "air sanitizers" to "clean" your air. I believe ozone was used for them. Same principle. Maybe that is why they are now out of business.