How many masks did you try before finding the right one?

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Re: How many masks did you try before finding the right one?

Post by Pugsy » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:12 am

I keep reading the responses and trying to think of a response....
I don't know what the parameters are for what is to be considered the "right one". :lol:
My "right one" has changed several times over the years as new models get released and I try them and like them better than the older model.
I don't think in terms of "right one"...I think in terms of "primary preferred" at the time. And times can change. :lol:

Since the question was asked by a relative newbie to cpap therapy....it's fairly common to wonder how their mask search compares to other people's mask searches.

And my search parameter time frame isn't the same as a newbie's time frame. I have been at this stuff for well over 9 years. I have been "searching" for many years now. I will always "search" because I am that way...always looking for something I might like a little better.

When I was brand new to therapy I researched the masks and carefully considered my own personal wants, needs and preferences when I was looking at masks. I knew from the very beginning I was going to need something that didn't cover my nose (don't do well with any pressure on the bridge of my nose area) so I immediately tossed out anything that touched the nasal bridge area...no sense in even looking at them. That really limited my pool of choices. Pretty much to a nasal pillow mask of some sort or one of the 2 hybrids at the time. I also quickly discovered that anything with any sort of lower strap that went down by the base of the skull caused neck pain...so those got tossed out.
I decided before even using cpap at all that I wanted to try the ResMed Swift LT nasal pillow mask. It looked like it fit my own personal preferences, wants and needs the best at the time. So that's what I got as my first mask purchase with my insurance.
It worked well....but I still tried some of the other nasal pillow masks in the beginning as I could get my hands on them.
Insurance was no help of course but back then we had the cpap auction where people would sell their mask experiment failures at really discounted prices and that's how I funded my various mask experiments within the first 6 to 8 months of therapy.
So I did try the other options that were available at the time (and those options were very limited compared to what is available now) but I always ended up still preferring the Swift LT back then.

Over the years as newer models of nasal pillow masks have been released I have pretty much tried all of them.
And if I liked the new model better...it became my new "primary preferred"....some of them I could use successfully but just didn't like it better to replace the current "preferred" at the time.
The ResMed Swift FX nasal pillow was released about a year after I started therapy...I tried it and liked it better than the Swift LT...so got a new primary preferred....then the TapPap was released and I actually liked it better than the Swift FX...close race that one...so I used it for a year or so until the ResMed P10 was released and I liked it better than the TapPap (another very close race though)...so I got another new primary mask. In between this I was still trying new stuff just to be trying new stuff because I just like to try new stuff because I never knew if maybe there might be some little something with the new stuff that might really trip my trigger. Wasn't so much that I was unhappy with the current "primary preferred" at the time but I had learned that you just don't know how well something will work for you or not until you try it.

If we were to count all the masks I have tried over the years just to be trying....well over 50...and the primary preferred has changed with the times. Masks get released that meet my own personal preferences, wants and needs better...so I change.
But if we are just talking about how long did it take me to find my preferred primary back when I was brand new to therapy...I found it before I even actually had the titration study...I knew from my own wants and needs that it had the best chance of meeting those needs of the available masks at the time and I was right. It wasn't perfect and I knew it but at the time it was my best option.
It's been that way ever since....no mask has ever been perfect in terms of checking off every single one of my wants, needs and preference boxes. There's always been some little something that "could be better"....even with the P10...it's not perfect...it's not the most stable of masks out there...the headgear stretches easily and the back strap slides up the back of the head sometimes which affects stability. But it's silent and the diffused venting is a huge plus for me and those pluses out weigh the minor negatives in my book.
Now someone else...might think that my minor negatives (the stability stuff) are HUGE negatives to them.
This is where we get the big YMMV sticker showing up. We all have different wants, preferences and needs....and that's why there are so many different primary preferred masks out there chosen by people.

Finding the "right" mask for each individual...the primary preferred that meets the bulk of anyone's preferences, wants and needs....the hardest part to cpap therapy IMHO. Some people get lucky and find one right away...and some people just have to kiss a lot of frogs before they find their prince of a mask. People need to listen to their own personal preferences, wants and needs more...not try to rely on what someone else might think about something. It's hard though because as newbies we don't always know what our wants and needs and preferences might be. We have to try new stuff just to learn about ourselves as much as we are learning about the masks.

Me....I am still going to try new stuff. Not so much because I have a huge problem with the current primary preferred but because I always learn something either about myself and my needs or about a new mask idea. Now sometimes all I learn is what a bad idea that new mask experiment was...but I always learn something.

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Re: How many masks did you try before finding the right one?

Post by prodigyplace » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:22 am

Pugsy wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:12 am


It worked well....but I still tried some of the other nasal pillow masks in the beginning as I could get my hands on them.
Insurance was no help of course but back then we had the cpap auction where people would sell their mask experiment failures at really discounted prices and that's how I funded my various mask experiments within the first 6 to 8 months of therapy.
Whatever happened to the CPAP Mask Auction? It sounds like it could be useful.

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Re: How many masks did you try before finding the right one?

Post by Pugsy » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:35 am

prodigyplace wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:22 am
Whatever happened to the CPAP Mask Auction? It sounds like it could be useful.
We were never told. One day it just went poof and was gone. No explanation given.
It was run through cpap.com somehow though and we all suspected that someone (probably ResMed given they are so sue happy and stick their noses in a lot of other peoples stuff) might have had something to do with it but we had no proof.
To be sure though...someone must have complained though....and it sure wasn't any of us.
Not just masks...machines and other stuff too.
It was sure nice to go buy a gently used mask for $20 though...experiment with it and turn around and sell it for $20 to someone else so they could experiment.
I could never have afforded to do all the experimenting I did back then without it.

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Re: How many masks did you try before finding the right one?

Post by prodigyplace » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:23 am

It would be interesting to know. It might be a good use for a second forum here. That way any Classified ads would not get mixes up in other stuff.

I am sure LSAT & other would appreciate not needing to bump their threads so often. That way it is user to user without CPAP.com getting involved financially.

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Re: How many masks did you try before finding the right one?

Post by Weagle » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:42 am

I've tried on 3 so far...the 2nd seems to work the best for me (not perfect but functional).

1) Philips Nuance Gel Nasal Pillow Mask - recommended by the sleep study (because that's what they used)...didn't work for a full night due to mouth breathing
2) DreamWear Full Face - 2nd mask DME said was highly recommended for a full face mask (works but caused some sores and took a while to get a good seal)
3) DME said I could not try any more because my insurance would approve it...so I found a new office to manage my sleep apnea and they had a Resmed AirTouch F20 full face for me to try. This one had too many leaks near my eyes and I was unable to sleep in at all. I could probably make it work in a pinch with some sort of nasal pad.

I settled on #2 the DreamWear Full Face and cut off a portion of the nasal cushioning that was causing sores on my nose. I'm sure i have it tightened more than recommended, but it's the only way to keep a good seal when I lay on my side.

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Re: How many masks did you try before finding the right one?

Post by cubby » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:31 pm

i'm on 1 but keep thinking of switching. i'm only about a month in though. Currently have the airfit F20 and its ok. My big issues are i get eye leaks due to my pillow and then some redness. I keep saying i'm going to order a liner for it but then i'm like what if its not the mask for me and i'm throwing my money away if i buy a liner. I'm starting to think mask are like cell phones. While yes we want it to provide what we want/need in the end we'll always want to upgrade if not for anything but to just have something different. With all that said if i can remember the smaller full face mask i was looking at that could help with my eye leaks from side sleeping i'd probably get it

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Re: How many masks did you try before finding the right one?

Post by prodigyplace » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:08 pm

cubby wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:31 pm
i'm on 1 but keep thinking of switching. i'm only about a month in though. Currently have the airfit F20 and its ok. My big issues are i get eye leaks due to my pillow and then some redness. I keep saying i'm going to order a liner for it but then i'm like what if its not the mask for me and i'm throwing my money away if i buy a liner. I'm starting to think mask are like cell phones. While yes we want it to provide what we want/need in the end we'll always want to upgrade if not for anything but to just have something different. With all that said if i can remember the smaller full face mask i was looking at that could help with my eye leaks from side sleeping i'd probably get it
You may be thinking of either a nasal mask that covers the nose or a nasal pillow mask that sits under the nose. Many of us like the P10 pillow mask. If you are very petite, you may want the "for her" version which has a smaller headgear and comes with an eXtra Small pillow.

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Re: How many masks did you try before finding the right one?

Post by chunkyfrog » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:53 pm

I stopped counting at 20.
Then they came up with the P10.
This might be THE ONE.

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Re: How many masks did you try before finding the right one?

Post by cubby » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:02 pm

prodigyplace wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:08 pm
cubby wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:31 pm
i'm on 1 but keep thinking of switching. i'm only about a month in though. Currently have the airfit F20 and its ok. My big issues are i get eye leaks due to my pillow and then some redness. I keep saying i'm going to order a liner for it but then i'm like what if its not the mask for me and i'm throwing my money away if i buy a liner. I'm starting to think mask are like cell phones. While yes we want it to provide what we want/need in the end we'll always want to upgrade if not for anything but to just have something different. With all that said if i can remember the smaller full face mask i was looking at that could help with my eye leaks from side sleeping i'd probably get it
You may be thinking of either a nasal mask that covers the nose or a nasal pillow mask that sits under the nose. Many of us like the P10 pillow mask. If you are very petite, you may want the "for her" version which has a smaller headgear and comes with an eXtra Small pillow.
Big fat guy lol. I think I need the full face due to mouth breathing. Googling I think it was the respironics dreamwear. I probably ought to just buy the lines for the F20 as it really doesn't bother me aside from the air to the eyes with my pillow. I can probably have it tighter with the lines to fix that

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Re: How many masks did you try before finding the right one?

Post by prodigyplace » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:42 am

cubby wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:02 pm
Big fat guy lol. I think I need the full face due to mouth breathing. Googling I think it was the respironics dreamwear. I probably ought to just buy the lines for the F20 as it really doesn't bother me aside from the air to the eyes with my pillow. I can probably have it tighter with the lines to fix that
My vision is poor in real life and even poorer here on the forum. I know us fat guys should lose a few pounds too. People here appear to be mainly women or big fat guys. :lol:

It is possible to control mouth breathing when using nasal pillows. I have sinus allergies and there have been only a hand full old nights I could not use my pillow mask. I have tried several full face masks and have not found one to suit.

Other than training some use chin straps, cervical collars or mouth taping.

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Re: How many masks did you try before finding the right one?

Post by realshelby » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:17 am

I have about decided it is good to have more than one mask. Switching gives your skin and other stuff a break. Different pressure points for instance.

As much as I like the P10, light and quiet, it has a couple shortcomings. I consistently have better AHI and leak rates with the Nuance Pro mask over the P10. But it irritates one small part of my nares if I use it too many nights in a row. LOVE that head gear! Bravida is a very, very comfortable mask to wear and like the P10 there is no perceptible feel of the air venting from it.

Went back to the Dreamwear nasal cushion for a few nights. Like the Nuance Pro, zero leak rate in MyAir reports. AHI good. It too has some issues when sleeping on your side. But the venting is ok, if not as good as two others I can think of.

What I am getting at, after 10 or so masks, is that there IS a reason to try other masks. If you have the money to spend to try them you might just find one that eliminates the worst of the issues you have with what you are using now. Without creating too many others!
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Re: How many masks did you try before finding the right one?

Post by Jack Burton » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:07 pm

prodigyplace wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:42 am
It is possible to control mouth breathing when using nasal pillows.
Other than training some use chin straps, cervical collars or mouth taping.
I was a mouth breather for most of my adult life.
My Doctor was sure I needed a full face mask for this reason.
Out of desperation and the kindness of a certain RT I tried a nasal mask and was surprised to find that I did not breath through my mouth during therapy.
After a few months I stopped breathing through my mouth in the daytime and my sinus issues have greatly improved.

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Re: How many masks did you try before finding the right one?

Post by Midwest_non_sleeper » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:08 pm

Two.

The first, a P10 nasal pillow was ok, but I wanted something that got the hose off the front of my face as it was disrupting my sleep if I turned over.

Enter Dreamwear, where the hose comes off the top of my head, then threads through a hose holder and finally down to my machine. Will never use another mask unless I absolutely must.

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Re: How many masks did you try before finding the right one?

Post by Becca59 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:18 pm

Grace, when I wore the dreamwear, I did have long hair, & yes, I did have to put my hair in a pony tail or "top knot" just to help improve the "fit" but it still wasn't working. I now have short hair because having long hair did prove problematic for a lot of the masks I have tried. Having shorter hair actually helps. I'm letting it grow out again though.. I am excited that Resmed has demonstrated a new mask in Australia. It's a nasal mask, but it mirrors Dreamwear nasal. I think it's called the F30i. I hope they also get around to producing a full face version.
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Re: How many masks did you try before finding the right one?

Post by Grace~~~ » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:23 pm

Becca59 wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:18 pm
I am excited that Resmed has demonstrated a new mask in Australia. It's a nasal mask, but it mirrors Dreamwear nasal. I think it's called the F30i. I hope they also get around to producing a full face version.
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I can't wait to try one, and I don't even need full face ...

I'm weird. I only tried two masks. The first was torture and if I had had to wear it a second longer I know absolutely for sure I would have quit cpap forever. (eson nasal) ... So when I found the dreamwear, I swore I would never go back to anything hanging off my nose. I am so chronically monogamous. ugghhhh :roll: LOL Easily pleased? maybe.

With the dreamwear I knew that if I could learn everything else I knew I could count on the mask which meant that I could do this cpap thing ... but it HAD to be "as a snork not an elephant".

I am really psyched to try another snork style mask. I also can't wait for DreamWear to figure out how to create custom designs with better curvature. Personally, *I * don't care about the venting or noise on the dreamwear ... (I like white noise and air blowing on me anyway.)

... but I want to be able to get a custom fit. Like getting a retainer made? It shouldn't be a big deal. LOL

Of course I've yet to tour the dreamwear factory to see how these masks are actually made ... nor have seen I seen a video?

I'm factory deprived down here on the farm and don't know how my mask is made like how some people don't know how to grow a cantaloupe. :P

Help me google! Show me how to get /make / inspire affordable custom dreamwear masks ~~~ :idea:
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