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[49er]

........a Scotch/Irish redhead with a temper..........

DON'T MESS WITH PUGSY!!!!!!


Den

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Especially one who can affectively put curses on baseball players as she did with Daniel Murphy.

[zoocrewphoto]

I have been here 3 years and never bothered with chat. To me, the value of the internet (forums email) is that I can use it when I want, at odd hours, and I don't have to be online (awake, whatever) at the same time as the people I want to communicate with. I am a severe night owl, out of sync with much of the world near me. I can come home and login at midnight and read posts and emails. I can reply at my convenience and know that I will probably have replies again when I get up (in the afternoon). Every "night" before I go to bed, I get emails from a friend who is an early bird on the east coast.

To me, using chat is like using the phone. You have to be awake and available at the same time as the people you want to chat with. Otherwise, it is a free for all, which isn't much fun for me either. If I want to chat with somebody in particular, I can always do private messaging.

Also, since very few people use chat, and it seems to be empty much of the time, it doesn't seem like it would be a useful place to get good answers. The best people to get answers from are NOT there, so it makes more sense to ask questions on the main forum, where I know they will look.

[n2it]

My time is much too valuable.

Does this mean you're not going to VOLUNTEER all of your time to sit in the chat room and answer all of the questions from new users?

Since you're expecting US to, it would only seem fair that since it's YOUR idea, that YOU should do it.

You started this thread and asked the question, but didn't like the answers.......so you threw a temper tantrum.
You think you're entitled to your opinion, but others aren't entitled to theirs, or free speech.


Den

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I would suggest you go actually read the entire post because I clearly indicated to the administrator to contact me and I would offer my time. And my time is worth a helluva a lot of money...

[n2it]

I have been here 3 years and never bothered with chat. To me, the value of the internet (forums email) is that I can use it when I want, at odd hours, and I don't have to be online (awake, whatever) at the same time as the people I want to communicate with. I am a severe night owl, out of sync with much of the world near me. I can come home and login at midnight and read posts and emails. I can reply at my convenience and know that I will probably have replies again when I get up (in the afternoon). Every "night" before I go to bed, I get emails from a friend who is an early bird on the east coast.

To me, using chat is like using the phone. You have to be awake and available at the same time as the people you want to chat with. Otherwise, it is a free for all, which isn't much fun for me either. If I want to chat with somebody in particular, I can always do private messaging.

Also, since very few people use chat, and it seems to be empty much of the time, it doesn't seem like it would be a useful place to get good answers. The best people to get answers from are NOT there, so it makes more sense to ask questions on the main forum, where I know they will look.

That's why one develops a schedule of events. A different perspective: the most popular means of communicating today is through texting, and real-time posting. Those are both forms of "chat".

No where in any of my posts did I say that the chat room would be for everyone. But if there was a topic specific schedule nightly, guarantee it would used by many members and non-members alike.

Thanks for your reply.

[BlackSpinner]

I would suggest you go actually read the entire post because I clearly indicated to the administrator to contact me and I would offer my time. And my time is worth a helluva a lot of money...

You have to prove your worth. You haven't exactly done that.

Besides the owners do not want moderators. At all. They don't want to set up tin pot dictators.

[n2it]

I would suggest you go actually read the entire post because I clearly indicated to the administrator to contact me and I would offer my time. And my time is worth a helluva a lot of money...

You have to prove your worth. You haven't exactly done that.

Besides the owners do not want moderators. At all. They don't want to set up tin pot dictators.

So you speak for the owners? Can you give me provide me with their names and contact information please?

With all due respect, I don't have to prove anything to you.

[Lucyhere]

Talking about an asinine reply.....If you have ever gone to chat, you have noted that YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING...YOU ARE POSTING YOUR WORDS BACK AND FORTH. You really don't know what you are talking about. (Same for the silly goat...or is it an ass...I can't tell)...By the way...the people posting here ARE human beings.

Mr. LSAT... do you really think "posting your words back and forth" is any different from posting on the forum? Some prefer posting on the forum, some prefer chat, and some find benefit in both. How about allowing people to choose what is best for them instead of you telling people what you think is best?? You are showing your age.[/quote]

Lucyhere,

You are proving yourself to be quite dim. No place did LSAT say don't chat. He did not say chatting is bad or people that chat are dim, what he did say is that most of those here who provide help (free of charge out of the kindness of their own hearts) do not have time to spend on chat and that if someone wants help, they would most likely get a more complete response by posting rather than chatting (not his words but what I took his comment to mean, LSAT, if I am incorrect, please correct me) I don't believe I have ever asked for help when one of the experienced members didn't respond within the hour.

Chat to your hearts content if that is what makes you happy, but back off of those not interested.[/quote]


Flightco -- I get it - you enjoy reading LSAT's posts and will defend him to the end, in spite of the fact that he calls people childish names and rather enjoys doing it. It's your right to defend him though and I'm sure I'll enjoy reading about how valuable you think he is. Actually, he his a valuable part of this community and would/could be even more so, if he stopped using childish language and allowed people to think for themselves ... even if he disagrees with the things they say.

And Flightco -- if posting here makes you happy I defend your right to do so, "but back off of those not interested" in doing things your way, and find posting here as well as entering the Chat works well for them.

[n2it]

Normally, I ignore keyboard warriors but last night, I simply couldn’t help myself because one of the initial replies to my post was (and is) incredibly ignorant and asinine. The definition of asinine by the way is: “extremely or utterly foolish.”.......
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Coming onto a forum and being a shit disturber in your first few posts is the classic definition of TROLL.

Nobody works here. You just blasted people who give their time and knowledge FREELY without expecting to get paid. But that is not good enough for you. They have to be there INSTANTLY even if you are posting in the dead of their night - the forum is international you know. Totally asinine of you.

Again, with all due respect; you were no part of this original discussion and my initial response had nothing to do with you. You interjected yourself into a thread where you had nothing positive to add. That madam is the very definition of a Troll.

[Wulfman...]

I would suggest you go actually read the entire post because I clearly indicated to the administrator to contact me and I would offer my time. And my time is worth a helluva a lot of money...

You have to prove your worth. You haven't exactly done that.

Besides the owners do not want moderators. At all. They don't want to set up tin pot dictators.

So you speak for the owners? Can you give me provide me with their names and contact information please?

With all due respect, I don't have to prove anything to you.

Their names and contact info is readily available. Doesn't take much looking to find it.


Den

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[BlackSpinner]

Normally, I ignore keyboard warriors but last night, I simply couldn’t help myself because one of the initial replies to my post was (and is) incredibly ignorant and asinine. The definition of asinine by the way is: “extremely or utterly foolish.”.......
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Coming onto a forum and being a shit disturber in your first few posts is the classic definition of TROLL.

Nobody works here. You just blasted people who give their time and knowledge FREELY without expecting to get paid. But that is not good enough for you. They have to be there INSTANTLY even if you are posting in the dead of their night - the forum is international you know. Totally asinine of you.

Again, with all due respect; you were no part of this original discussion and my initial response had nothing to do with you. You interjected yourself into a thread where you had nothing positive to add. That madam is the very definition of a Troll.

Well that sure proves you are not capable of the job. I explained in detail why the forum was a better place for information then the black hole of the chat. You had nothing positive to post to begin with, you couldn't handle critique and you want to have a moderator position?
Oh and you can't figure out who to call for the job.

[flightco]

Talking about an asinine reply.....If you have ever gone to chat, you have noted that YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING...YOU ARE POSTING YOUR WORDS BACK AND FORTH. You really don't know what you are talking about. (Same for the silly goat...or is it an ass...I can't tell)...By the way...the people posting here ARE human beings.

Mr. LSAT... do you really think "posting your words back and forth" is any different from posting on the forum? Some prefer posting on the forum, some prefer chat, and some find benefit in both. How about allowing people to choose what is best for them instead of you telling people what you think is best?? You are showing your age.

Lucyhere,

You are proving yourself to be quite dim. No place did LSAT say don't chat. He did not say chatting is bad or people that chat are dim, what he did say is that most of those here who provide help (free of charge out of the kindness of their own hearts) do not have time to spend on chat and that if someone wants help, they would most likely get a more complete response by posting rather than chatting (not his words but what I took his comment to mean, LSAT, if I am incorrect, please correct me) I don't believe I have ever asked for help when one of the experienced members didn't respond within the hour.

Chat to your hearts content if that is what makes you happy, but back off of those not interested.[/quote]


Flightco -- I get it - you enjoy reading LSAT's posts and will defend him to the end, in spite of the fact that he calls people childish names and rather enjoys doing it. It's your right to defend him though and I'm sure I'll enjoy reading about how valuable you think he is. Actually, he his a valuable part of this community and would/could be even more so, if he stopped using childish language and allowed people to think for themselves ... even if he disagrees with the things they say.

And Flightco -- if posting here makes you happy I defend your right to do so, "but back off of those not interested" in doing things your way, and find posting here as well as entering the Chat works well for them.[/quote]

I never said you shouldn't chat, as a matter of fact I said to so to your hearts content, please don't infer otherwise.

The difference between chatting and the message boards is, as I told the OP, is that the veterans here do not throw out one sentence answers to people seeking. As Pugsy said, most veterans spend some time with their response, it is not an off the cuff response as would be required in chat, that is the difference. Still, not saying you cannot chat, chat away. There was nothing wrong with LSAT's response, he simply told OP why people here don't use chat to answer questions, he never said don't chat, he just said you probably will not get the answer you are looking for.

I still think it is funny that you have been here a couple weeks, OP about a week and you are all about telling everyone how the board should be run.

[Lucyhere]

The owners names are Carolyn and Johnny Goodman. They are the hosts of this site. I don't remember their exact email address, but you can probably find it through captalk.com.

[ChicagoGranny]

Most people have better things to do. If you have a specific question you can get it answered here.

Doesn't look like the nuclear option.

You just never know.

[Wulfman...]

My time is much too valuable.

Does this mean you're not going to VOLUNTEER all of your time to sit in the chat room and answer all of the questions from new users?

Since you're expecting US to, it would only seem fair that since it's YOUR idea, that YOU should do it.

You started this thread and asked the question, but didn't like the answers.......so you threw a temper tantrum.
You think you're entitled to your opinion, but others aren't entitled to theirs, or free speech.


Den

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I would suggest you go actually read the entire post because I clearly indicated to the administrator to contact me and I would offer my time. And my time is worth a helluva a lot of money...

Normally, I ignore keyboard warriors but last night, I simply couldn’t help myself because one of the initial replies to my post was (and is) incredibly ignorant and asinine. The definition of asinine by the way is: “extremely or utterly foolish.”

When I asked why the chat feature is not being utilized the reply at issue that was received was: “Most people have better things to do.” So, because you are apparently a board “veteran” you are the self-appointed spokesman for everyone? And how dare a “newbie” call out a veteran of the board? (Newbies – I’ll address that term in a moment).

I’m not a narcissist by any definition of the word. But let’s get something straight; I am a very successful, middle aged man, very educated (and proud of it), successfully raised a child on my own (VERY proud of that), and have performed research for a number of years for very large companies. I live for empirical data.

After posting my question last night more than ten people, by my count, entered the chat room within five minutes of the post. The majority of which were guests to the forum. In fact, if you would take the time to notice the majority of the users on this forum are in fact guests who do not register. But that follows the normal trends of most free Internet forums.

The success of effective communication through the utilization of chat forums is overwhelming and is backed by numerous peer reviewed research papers, which includes of course empirical data. It is the very reason that almost all large (and even small) companies today include chat options on their websites with live representatives just a click away. All of your credit card issuers, your banks, etc… use this option and for a very good reason. It works!

I have no issue with text-only forums either as they offer a great resource tool. But here is the problem with text only forums (and I am going to use this forum as a prime example). Just a few minutes ago, I searched a specific product using the search engine on the site. The search returned 45 separate threads dating back several years. Actually, that search brought more returns, I just stopped counting at 45.

I reviewed numerous threads and what I found, which is typical, is what one will also find listed as a negative connotation in many research papers concerning this same subject. And that is that the search engine return results are based upon specific pre-programmed “key” words. As a result, there were numerous threads that were returned that actually had nothing to do with what I was attempting to research.

Now for a “newbie” (a term that some of you “veterans” so blatantly and negatively use) that can result in hours of research in an attempt to locate the answer that one is actually looking for. This of course is why these people start a brand new thread, only to have one of the so-called “veterans” to reply so arrogantly with, “try searching for the topic before posting.”

Proper etiquette would dictate that if you don’t like the topic of a new thread that you simply ignore it and move on. Let somebody else answer the question and you can go enjoy your morning or evening tea.

Just like the thread that I started concerning the chat function last night. (In fact, several members and visitors did not even realize that there was a chat function until reading my post.) But I guess some of you “veterans” of this board don’t have to follow that golden rule (you know being respectful and polite) and we “newbies” should just sit quietly with our tails between our legs. Not my style.

This forum is very fortunate that it has a chat function capability already implemented. And because it did not work for some of you “veterans” years ago does not mean it can’t work now with many fresh minds and ideas being circulated throughout the forums. At the beginning there was a literally a handful of you. Today because of SA awareness hundreds of thousands of people are being diagnosed with this debilitating condition yearly.

With that being said, I offer my suggestion and a relatively easy fix to the repetitive posts on this board. I would suggest to the administrator of this board (if in fact there is one as they have never answered my PM) is that a chat schedule be developed and implemented for members and guests alike. And if one wants to join and learn or offer their personal thoughts and knowledge than great. If not, than stay the hell out. That’s a pretty simple concept isn’t it?

There are many ways to develop said schedule. First and foremost there needs to be an active board administrator who then can then solicit other members to act as chat administrators. So as an example; there could be a regular chat forum held on Mondays at different intervals to account for time zone differences, which would discuss nothing but for example “mask leaks”. That topic alone would probably result in an incredible reduction of the endless threads on this board, which discusses the exact same mask leak issues.

Another night could be product comparisons. Another night could be sleep issues with partners, CPAP and surgery, etc… Now if I were the administrator of this board, I would simply categorize the chat sessions by the number of “hits” using the internal database of this forum that corresponds to each specific topic and those would be your daily chats topics. Take the top seven and that would be your first week. If there are more than seven topics than run the sessions for as many days as necessary and start then repeat. (There are many marketing firms that charge an awful lot of money for the advice that I am now offering for free.)

Now to speak directly to some of you so-called “veterans” do you see how we newbies can use our critical thinking skills? It’s called improving on ideas and while not remaining stagnant and stuck in the past. The Internet evolves on a daily basis.

Now to address the term “newbie” as was used as some kind of a negative connotation in this thread: Because I am a “newbie” to this board does not mean that I am ignorant to the topic on hand. For the last several months, I have studied everything that I could find on SA and CPAP that time would permit (which led me to this very board). This of course was a result of my diagnosis with severe SA.

After reading hundreds of posts, I can say with absolute confidence that I am more educated on certain criteria concerning SA and CPAP than some of you so-called board veterans. I have read some really disturbing advice coming from some of you. Especially the replies whereby you tell a “newbie” to ignore their doctor’s advice and change their prescribed settings when you have absolutely no clue as to why the physician implemented those individual settings in the first place. That is not only dangerous and egregious advice but you have probably made yourself liable in some states if in fact someone actually takes your advice and suffers ill consequences as a result.

In closing, there are many veterans on this board who do in fact offer great advice and do a wonderful service to others. And I personally thank you for that. I also would like to recognize Pugsy as being one of those veterans for which I am speaking about. You will never find a negative response from her. But what really impresses me with her is that when she doesn’t know something she states it, “I’m sorry, I don’t know the answer…” Or she just doesn’t join the thread. That’s a real board veteran.

Finally, to you Mr. or Mrs. LSAT, I also took the time to research your many postings. And I found quite the pattern with your responses on many threads. I’m not going to make you look more asinine than you are by copying and pasting them to this thread but it seems as though you suffer from some personality issues. Maybe it’s your CPAP settings…
However; my advice to you sir or madam is to simply ignore the threads where you have nothing of value to add. And this forum will be a much happier place for it.

To the rest of the forum members, my apologies for the lengthy response but sometimes in this world people need a reality check. There are just way too many negative people in this world today.

I will look forward to speaking with many if you again in the future either through threads, chat, or PM’s. And I hope that if there is a board administrator that they will consider the idea of scheduled chat sessions with specific topics. If you’re reading this please contact me and I will volunteer some of my time to the cause.

As a final note, I will not be replying to any of you cyber bullies or keyboard tough-guys now or in the future. My time is much too valuable.

Have a wonderful evening and good luck to all of you.

Well, I tried to initially, but between your arrogance and the length of your post, I just had to sort of skim it.

And, upon re-reading it, I still find it arrogant and boring.

FYI.......At the bottom of every forum page is this disclaimer:

The information provided on this site is not intended nor recommended as a substitute for professional medical advice.


Den

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[Lucyhere]

I still think it is funny that you have been here a couple weeks, OP about a week and you are all about telling everyone how the board should be run.

The year is 2015, nearly 2016 and this forum has been around since 2005 I believe. Surely you are aware that people join here, stay for awhile and then for their own reasons leave, and perhaps rejoin a year or two later under a new name. So, the people you and LSAT are referring to as a "newbee" may have simply rejoined with a new name and ain't really a new person after all. Several well respected people here have done just that for their own reasons (and a few not so respected). Den is one of those respected people who has freely admitted to this, or I wouldn't have mentioned his name. At this time there are two people I know about who have returned as a "new" member. One is a man who has returned as a women, which I find "interesting" to say the least.

So, I'm going to suggest that you think twice before ass-uming someone is a new person.