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Re: Chat Forum

Post by flightco » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:20 am

LSAT wrote:
n2it wrote:
LSAT wrote:Most people have better things to do. If you have a specific question you can get it answered here.
I can't help myself: that's an asinine reply. Real time chat versus posting a thread that may never be seen? Seriously? So you would rather post something than speak to an actual human being? I'll keep you in my thoughts...
Talking about an asinine reply.....If you have ever gone to chat, you have noted that YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING...YOU ARE POSTING YOUR WORDS BACK AND FORTH. You really don't know what you are talking about. (Same for the silly goat...or is it an ass...I can't tell)...By the way...the people posting here are human beings.

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Re: Chat Forum

Post by sleepylynn » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:47 am

Do we have to fight over this? If you don't like the chat, cool. For those of us who do like the real-time socialization with others going through the whole CPAP thing, cool.

Can't we all just get along?

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Re: Chat Forum

Post by flightco » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:54 am

sleepylynn wrote:Do we have to fight over this? If you don't like the chat, cool. For those of us who do like the real-time socialization with others going through the whole CPAP thing, cool.

Can't we all just get along?
Sure we can get along, but if you think a brand new user is not going to be called out for a STUPID comment about a senior member that has shared an immense amount of their personal time and knowledge helping the less Cpap educated; well you are just wrong about that. Sorry, but I think it is hilarious when someone that has been here a week or less is telling the senior members (LSAT in this case, almost 6000 responses since 2008, probably 5000 of them helping newbies) how they should act. That I think takes some big ones.

Nobody cares if someone wants to chat, n2it called LSAT asinine because he said most people don't have the time to chat. He didn't say don't chat, didn't say chat was wrong, he said if you want an answer, you would be better off posting it. Chat to your hearts content...

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Re: Chat Forum

Post by Lucyhere » Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:50 am

LSAT wrote:
n2it wrote:
LSAT wrote:Most people have better things to do. If you have a specific question you can get it answered here.
I can't help myself: that's an asinine reply. Real time chat versus posting a thread that may never be seen? Seriously? So you would rather post something than speak to an actual human being? I'll keep you in my thoughts...
Talking about an asinine reply.....If you have ever gone to chat, you have noted that YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING...YOU ARE POSTING YOUR WORDS BACK AND FORTH. You really don't know what you are talking about. (Same for the silly goat...or is it an ass...I can't tell)...By the way...the people posting here ARE human beings.
Mr. LSAT... do you really think "posting your words back and forth" is any different from posting on the forum? Some prefer posting on the forum, some prefer chat, and some find benefit in both. How about allowing people to choose what is best for them instead of you telling people what you think is best?? You are showing your age.
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Re: Chat Forum

Post by nanwilson » Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:53 am

flightco wrote:
sleepylynn wrote:Do we have to fight over this? If you don't like the chat, cool. For those of us who do like the real-time socialization with others going through the whole CPAP thing, cool.

Can't we all just get along?
Sure we can get along, but if you think a brand new user is not going to be called out for a STUPID comment about a senior member that has shared an immense amount of their personal time and knowledge helping the less Cpap educated; well you are just wrong about that. Sorry, but I think it is hilarious when someone that has been here a week or less is telling the senior members (LSAT in this case, almost 6000 responses since 2008, probably 5000 of them helping newbies) how they should act. That I think takes some big ones.

Nobody cares if someone wants to chat, n2it called LSAT asinine because he said most people don't have the time to chat. He didn't say don't chat, didn't say chat was wrong, he said if you want an answer, you would be better off posting it. Chat to your hearts content...
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Re: Chat Forum

Post by BlackSpinner » Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:21 pm

The times I have been in chat (when it was working) we discussed meaningful things like the weather, politics, kids and grandkids. I think there was only once that a apnea based question was asked and a few people had wimpy suggestions.

The benefit of the thread is that the information stays there and is searchable. Most threads are answered. Chat info just disappears into a black hole.

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Re: Chat Forum

Post by flightco » Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:23 pm

Lucyhere wrote:
LSAT wrote:
n2it wrote:
LSAT wrote:Most people have better things to do. If you have a specific question you can get it answered here.
I can't help myself: that's an asinine reply. Real time chat versus posting a thread that may never be seen? Seriously? So you would rather post something than speak to an actual human being? I'll keep you in my thoughts...
Talking about an asinine reply.....If you have ever gone to chat, you have noted that YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING...YOU ARE POSTING YOUR WORDS BACK AND FORTH. You really don't know what you are talking about. (Same for the silly goat...or is it an ass...I can't tell)...By the way...the people posting here ARE human beings.
Mr. LSAT... do you really think "posting your words back and forth" is any different from posting on the forum? Some prefer posting on the forum, some prefer chat, and some find benefit in both. How about allowing people to choose what is best for them instead of you telling people what you think is best?? You are showing your age.
Lucyhere,

You are proving yourself to be quite dim. No place did LSAT say don't chat. He did not say chatting is bad or people that chat are dim, what he did say is that most of those here who provide help (free of charge out of the kindness of their own hearts) do not have time to spend on chat and that if someone wants help, they would most likely get a more complete response by posting rather than chatting (not his words but what I took his comment to mean, LSAT, if I am incorrect, please correct me) I don't believe I have ever asked for help when one of the experienced members didn't respond within the hour.

Chat to your hearts content if that is what makes you happy, but back off of those not interested.

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Re: Chat Forum

Post by Wulfman... » Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:45 pm

BlackSpinner wrote:The times I have been in chat (when it was working) we discussed meaningful things like the weather, politics, kids and grandkids. I think there was only once that a apnea based question was asked and a few people had wimpy suggestions.

The benefit of the thread is that the information stays there and is searchable. Most threads are answered. Chat info just disappears into a black hole.
I was hoping someone was going to say this or something along these lines. If BS hadn't, I was going to.
And, answering questions on the forum often requires some searching, historical data, posting links and formulating some thoughtful answers to the questions........more than just a few words of "whatever". It also requires that the person dedicate more time to the chat room in addition to the forum.

Like I said, I've been in the chat room and have used instant messaging in the past.......ain't my cup of tea.


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Re: Chat Forum

Post by Pugsy » Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:02 pm

Wulfman... wrote:I was hoping someone was going to say this or something along these lines. If BS hadn't, I was going to.
And, answering questions on the forum often requires some searching, historical data, posting links and formulating some thoughtful answers to the questions........more than just a few words of "whatever". It also requires that the person dedicate more time to the chat room in addition to the forum.
I don't care for chat either. Never have even on other forums. Here on this forum, I don't have the time normally to sit and just chat and since my responses often rival small novels in which I have spent considerable time in thought and composing, it just isn't something I have time for.
Besides I have other stuff going on in my life and sitting and watching chat just isn't my cup of tea either.

I don't have anything against it though and I realize a lot of people enjoy it but I don't really enjoy it and I sure don't have the time so it's just not something I do except on a rare day.
Most of the time the cpaptalk chat room isn't particularly active anyway...at least the few times I have been there. Sort of like watching paint dry.
Usually if I have a real need to interact with someone immediately for some reason...cell phone works best for me.

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Re: Chat Forum

Post by kteague » Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:36 pm

I am admittedly biased in favor of the potential benefit of chat. That could be because my first time in chat late one night I received valuable input that turned my CPAP experience around. The interaction there with the only people I knew who understood what I was going through bolstered me for my own journey. Chat about our lives helped build a sense of community. One limitation of chat is the system of checks and balances on the message board. One could be in a one-on-one conversation on chat about treatment and there would be no corrective voice.

Everyone has different needs and personal preference, and there is a flux even in one life. These days I prefer the message board, though I might stop by chat while watching TV if it were in a better state and my time allowed. I just don't get why everything has to be so right or wrong, so polarizing. Live and let live. What I miss about the message board of years ago is the sense of being accepted by the established members. Seemed to me there was once more tolerance for perceived missteps of newcomers. it was never idyllic, there was plenty of bickering even them, just seems now every comment is like walking through a minefield fearing one slight misstep could cause an explosion.

Oh well, it is what it is. Trying to take what I need, give what I can, and keep stepping.

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Re: Chat Forum

Post by n2it » Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:43 pm

Normally, I ignore keyboard warriors but last night, I simply couldn’t help myself because one of the initial replies to my post was (and is) incredibly ignorant and asinine. The definition of asinine by the way is: “extremely or utterly foolish.”

When I asked why the chat feature is not being utilized the reply at issue that was received was: “Most people have better things to do.” So, because you are apparently a board “veteran” you are the self-appointed spokesman for everyone? And how dare a “newbie” call out a veteran of the board? (Newbies – I’ll address that term in a moment).

I’m not a narcissist by any definition of the word. But let’s get something straight; I am a very successful, middle aged man, very educated (and proud of it), successfully raised a child on my own (VERY proud of that), and have performed research for a number of years for very large companies. I live for empirical data.

After posting my question last night more than ten people, by my count, entered the chat room within five minutes of the post. The majority of which were guests to the forum. In fact, if you would take the time to notice the majority of the users on this forum are in fact guests who do not register. But that follows the normal trends of most free Internet forums.

The success of effective communication through the utilization of chat forums is overwhelming and is backed by numerous peer reviewed research papers, which includes of course empirical data. It is the very reason that almost all large (and even small) companies today include chat options on their websites with live representatives just a click away. All of your credit card issuers, your banks, etc… use this option and for a very good reason. It works!

I have no issue with text-only forums either as they offer a great resource tool. But here is the problem with text only forums (and I am going to use this forum as a prime example). Just a few minutes ago, I searched a specific product using the search engine on the site. The search returned 45 separate threads dating back several years. Actually, that search brought more returns, I just stopped counting at 45.

I reviewed numerous threads and what I found, which is typical, is what one will also find listed as a negative connotation in many research papers concerning this same subject. And that is that the search engine return results are based upon specific pre-programmed “key” words. As a result, there were numerous threads that were returned that actually had nothing to do with what I was attempting to research.

Now for a “newbie” (a term that some of you “veterans” so blatantly and negatively use) that can result in hours of research in an attempt to locate the answer that one is actually looking for. This of course is why these people start a brand new thread, only to have one of the so-called “veterans” to reply so arrogantly with, “try searching for the topic before posting.”

Proper etiquette would dictate that if you don’t like the topic of a new thread that you simply ignore it and move on. Let somebody else answer the question and you can go enjoy your morning or evening tea.

Just like the thread that I started concerning the chat function last night. (In fact, several members and visitors did not even realize that there was a chat function until reading my post.) But I guess some of you “veterans” of this board don’t have to follow that golden rule (you know being respectful and polite) and we “newbies” should just sit quietly with our tails between our legs. Not my style.

This forum is very fortunate that it has a chat function capability already implemented. And because it did not work for some of you “veterans” years ago does not mean it can’t work now with many fresh minds and ideas being circulated throughout the forums. At the beginning there was a literally a handful of you. Today because of SA awareness hundreds of thousands of people are being diagnosed with this debilitating condition yearly.

With that being said, I offer my suggestion and a relatively easy fix to the repetitive posts on this board. I would suggest to the administrator of this board (if in fact there is one as they have never answered my PM) is that a chat schedule be developed and implemented for members and guests alike. And if one wants to join and learn or offer their personal thoughts and knowledge than great. If not, than stay the hell out. That’s a pretty simple concept isn’t it?

There are many ways to develop said schedule. First and foremost there needs to be an active board administrator who then can then solicit other members to act as chat administrators. So as an example; there could be a regular chat forum held on Mondays at different intervals to account for time zone differences, which would discuss nothing but for example “mask leaks”. That topic alone would probably result in an incredible reduction of the endless threads on this board, which discusses the exact same mask leak issues.

Another night could be product comparisons. Another night could be sleep issues with partners, CPAP and surgery, etc… Now if I were the administrator of this board, I would simply categorize the chat sessions by the number of “hits” using the internal database of this forum that corresponds to each specific topic and those would be your daily chats topics. Take the top seven and that would be your first week. If there are more than seven topics than run the sessions for as many days as necessary and start then repeat. (There are many marketing firms that charge an awful lot of money for the advice that I am now offering for free.)

Now to speak directly to some of you so-called “veterans” do you see how we newbies can use our critical thinking skills? It’s called improving on ideas and while not remaining stagnant and stuck in the past. The Internet evolves on a daily basis.

Now to address the term “newbie” as was used as some kind of a negative connotation in this thread: Because I am a “newbie” to this board does not mean that I am ignorant to the topic on hand. For the last several months, I have studied everything that I could find on SA and CPAP that time would permit (which led me to this very board). This of course was a result of my diagnosis with severe SA.

After reading hundreds of posts, I can say with absolute confidence that I am more educated on certain criteria concerning SA and CPAP than some of you so-called board veterans. I have read some really disturbing advice coming from some of you. Especially the replies whereby you tell a “newbie” to ignore their doctor’s advice and change their prescribed settings when you have absolutely no clue as to why the physician implemented those individual settings in the first place. That is not only dangerous and egregious advice but you have probably made yourself liable in some states if in fact someone actually takes your advice and suffers ill consequences as a result.

In closing, there are many veterans on this board who do in fact offer great advice and do a wonderful service to others. And I personally thank you for that. I also would like to recognize Pugsy as being one of those veterans for which I am speaking about. You will never find a negative response from her. But what really impresses me with her is that when she doesn’t know something she states it, “I’m sorry, I don’t know the answer…” Or she just doesn’t join the thread. That’s a real board veteran.

Finally, to you Mr. or Mrs. LSAT, I also took the time to research your many postings. And I found quite the pattern with your responses on many threads. I’m not going to make you look more asinine than you are by copying and pasting them to this thread but it seems as though you suffer from some personality issues. Maybe it’s your CPAP settings…
However; my advice to you sir or madam is to simply ignore the threads where you have nothing of value to add. And this forum will be a much happier place for it.

To the rest of the forum members, my apologies for the lengthy response but sometimes in this world people need a reality check. There are just way too many negative people in this world today.

I will look forward to speaking with many if you again in the future either through threads, chat, or PM’s. And I hope that if there is a board administrator that they will consider the idea of scheduled chat sessions with specific topics. If you’re reading this please contact me and I will volunteer some of my time to the cause.

As a final note, I will not be replying to any of you cyber bullies or keyboard tough-guys now or in the future. My time is much too valuable.

Have a wonderful evening and good luck to all of you.

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Re: Chat Forum

Post by BlackSpinner » Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:47 pm

n2it wrote:Normally, I ignore keyboard warriors but last night, I simply couldn’t help myself because one of the initial replies to my post was (and is) incredibly ignorant and asinine. The definition of asinine by the way is: “extremely or utterly foolish.”.......
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Coming onto a forum and being a shit disturber in your first few posts is the classic definition of TROLL.

Nobody works here. You just blasted people who give their time and knowledge FREELY without expecting to get paid. But that is not good enough for you. They have to be there INSTANTLY even if you are posting in the dead of their night - the forum is international you know. Totally asinine of you.

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Re: Chat Forum

Post by Pugsy » Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:22 pm

n2it wrote:Pugsy as being one of those veterans for which I am speaking about. You will never find a negative response from her.
Hang around and you will see that I fall off the pedestal, that some people seem to put me on, quite often. And I can throw my share shit just like everyone else when I get riled up.
I don't very often because I just don't have the time or inclination to show my butt that way...but I have done it. I am human after all....and a Scotch/Irish redhead with a temper...I am doomed.

I do sometimes cringe when sharp negative comments are posted when they really serve no constructive purpose except to point out perceived deficiencies in character IMHO.
If I responded with a smart ass remark every time I saw something said and my first thought was "what a jackass" I never would have the time to do anything constructive. So I ignore the jackasses as best I can as long as they aren't spouting off something potentially dangerous or harmful.

Having a moderator to do the "chat" sessions thing...not going to happen. There is only one official moderator now and she only steps in when we can't work out our problems ourselves. Right now her plate is full with other things that are much more important.
Now if one of the forum members wants to take the task on...hey, go for it.
Don't look my way though...I don't have the time and I went to WalMart today and totally forgot what I went there for and still can't remember what it was... I would forget what I had scheduled for sure.

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Re: Chat Forum

Post by Wulfman... » Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:27 pm

n2it wrote:My time is much too valuable.
Does this mean you're not going to VOLUNTEER all of your time to sit in the chat room and answer all of the questions from new users?

Since you're expecting US to, it would only seem fair that since it's YOUR idea, that YOU should do it.

You started this thread and asked the question, but didn't like the answers.......so you threw a temper tantrum.
You think you're entitled to your opinion, but others aren't entitled to theirs, or free speech.


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Re: Chat Forum

Post by Wulfman... » Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:36 pm

Pugsy wrote:........a Scotch/Irish redhead with a temper..........
DON'T MESS WITH PUGSY!!!!!!


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