Poll: Should It Be Law That Those With OSA Report It To Gov?

chdurie2 · Post by **chdurie2** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:58 am

That guest was me. With all due respect, there's more constructive things to do than post a link to a poll that another sleep forum administrator made up to fill space. Like fix the log-in feature. We can all hypothosize horribles.

just my opinion.

Caroline

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:20 pm

Caroline wrote:I don't think the provocation should be continued when there's no threat. We have enough to think about.

After reading all these posts, it appears some people from Canada, some people from certain states in the U.S. and some people with certain health insurance have indicated this is already more than a threat. It is a reality.

ldemmery wrote:I was called to my family doctor's office about 3 weeks after being on CPAP. He asked if I was complying with my treatment. I said yes. He said good, otherwise he'd have to report me to Ontario Transport and they're remove my liscence. I asked if that was all he called me in for. He said yes. I told him then he wasted his and my time. I DON"T HAVE A DRIVERS LISCENSE!!!!!! sheezzzz...

Apparently in Ontario a doctor have have your driver's liscence revoked if you're not following treatment for OSA!

Lynne (In Ottawa)

Severeena wrote:In Ohio it is a state law that report Narcolepsy and Sleep Apnea. This one has been on the books for quite some time.

guest (jeepdoctor actuall wrote:If you have Medicare or Tricare insurance, the Feds already know. It's on your insurance records. What's worse yet, if your AHI is under 15, the doc had to say that you have daytime drousiness and some other goodies to get you covered.

There are also people who have been denied life insurance and health insurance policies because of reported OSA.

froger25 wrote:I have been in the process of getting a supplimental life insurance through Minnesota Life & VRS. Well today I called to find out the status and they told me I was denied because I was "recently diagnosed with sleep Apnea. They said I would have to be on CPAP for 6 months before they would consider me. This has totally been a nightmare. I wish I had never started this BS with my sleeping, now this is affecting my family.

jeepdoctor wrote:OSA sufferers already are a lot closer to the Orwellian insurance situation described by several posters. My wife and I applied for long term care insurance with a new insurer after our present insurer bumped our premium 59%. There was a note in my medical file that I was scheduled for a PSG. Insurer #2 asked for a copy of the PSG, which showd an AHI of 12. The insurer declined to write a policy for me. Wife, yes; me no.

Here's the important part of this story. The insurance guy told me that I am uninsurable with respect to purchasing long term care insurance, life insurance and/or health insurance.

It doesn't seem far-fetched that license renewals and auto insurance could be affected eventually as well. I think if we dismiss this as a non-issue and don't acknowledge and address it, we increase the odds of allowing it to happen. I would hate for our complacency to be misconstrued as agreement or blind acceptance.

My question is, does anybody have any suggestions as to how we can prevent this from becoming a reality for all of us?

jeepdoctor · Post by **jeepdoctor** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:55 pm

OSA sufferers would need to form a group, pay dues and lobby State and Federal legislators just as the parents of special education children have done.

Im2tired · Post by **Im2tired** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:37 pm

[quote="gulfpearl"]No I donot think anybody with OSA should have to report their condition to the government. Diabetics or heart patients don't have to report, either one could cause an auto accident after suffering a heart attack or passing out because of poor blood sugar control.

Darth Vader Look · Post by **Darth Vader Look** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:50 am

Well I'm from Ontario and no doctor reported me for having sleep apnea. Of course mine is mild but still I wonder if these doctors who report are sided with Big Brother or communistic regimes We are talking about Ontario Canada and not Ontario California right The DOT really doesn't care if you have SDB in the form of apnea and there is no where on your license that indicated that you do. Maybe those doctors are somehow related to Canada's own Mike Myers Dr. Evil character. Owwww, Owwwww

Patrick A · Post by **Patrick A** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:07 pm

I gave up my CDL because of medical reasons being reported to the DMV.
But they never reported my apnea

Bellcrest · Post by **Bellcrest** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:29 pm

I am another one from Ontario, Canada.....I have severe OSA.

I have never heard about any law that requires the Doctor to report my condition to Transport Canada.

Fortunately, because I have compliance data, I can prove that I am 100% compliant should the need ever arise.

tater pie · Post by **tater pie** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:13 pm

Hey, I wonder if they do make it mandatory to report OSA if they'll HAVE to give everyone autopaps so they can prove compliancy!!!!!!

Offerocker · Post by **Offerocker** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:42 am

tater pie wrote:Hey, I wonder if they do make it mandatory to report OSA if they'll HAVE to give everyone autopaps so they can prove compliancy!!!!!!

Now there's a good idea!!

...except they'd probably require us to have a daily/weekly printout handy at all times!

I doubt they would provide the reader and software though!

Darth Vader Look · Post by **Darth Vader Look** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:08 am

Offerocker wrote:
tater pie wrote:Hey, I wonder if they do make it mandatory to report OSA if they'll HAVE to give everyone autopaps so they can prove compliancy!!!!!!
Now there's a good idea!!

...except they'd probably require us to have a daily/weekly printout handy at all times!

I doubt they would provide the reader and software though!

I think that the DME's would be shrieking and screaming to the manufacturers to make something cheaper that would comply. Remember, DME's hate to sell APAP's.

Larry · Post by **Larry** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:32 pm

Absolutely not. As Ronald Reagan once said, "Government is the problem not the solution." They would just muck this up like everything else they do.

Barb (Seattle) · Post by **Barb (Seattle)** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:27 am

[quote="gulfpearl"]No I donot think anybody with OSA should have to report their condition to the government. Diabetics or heart patients don't have to report, either one could cause an auto accident after suffering a heart attack or passing out because of poor blood sugar control.

MandoJohnny · Post by **MandoJohnny** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:17 am

I can see a Saturday Night Live skit on this:

A cop pulls a guy over. He says to the driver, "I need to see your license, registration, proof of insurance and the data card from your CPAP."

The cop gets these, goes back to his car, returns a few minutes later and says, "I'm citing you for two violations. The speed limit here is 25 and you were doing 30. In addition, the limit for DWA (Driving With Apnea) is an AHI of 5 and you were doing 8 last night.

The driver protests, "But officer, my mask was leaking..."

The cop interrupts, "Save it for the judge, pal, I've heard it all before. You hoseheads are all alike."

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kavanaugh1950 · Post by **kavanaugh1950** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:50 am

absolutely not! we have too much gov interference in our lives. I work on a psych unit. You wouldn't believe the number of people who come in that are driving high in cocaine, alcohol, pot, heroin etc. we cannot report them because of hippa. I am more concerned about this than someone with sleep apnea!

Bones · Post by **Bones** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:09 am

I live in Ontario Canada. We have the Assistive Devices Program here, which means the Ministry of Health pays about 70% the cost of a cpap. So one government ministry already knows. I guess if they thought it was a big deal they would be calling the Ministry of Transport. I have renewed my plates for both car and motorcycle since being diagnosed with no mention made by the MOT. I have also renewed insurance on both vehicles. The official position of the Canadian Medical Association is that OSA patients are safe to drive ANY vehicle as long as they are compliant with treatment.

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