Semi-permanently disabling modem in ResMed Airsense 10

palerider wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:44 am

JayDee wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:58 am

As far as I am aware, the machine connects to Resmed (the manufacturer), not to your DME. The DME *may* have your Resmed account related to their monitoring account so that they can view your data. That's probably automated - I doubt a human at the DME is logging in and scrolling through the data for all their patients on a daily basis.

You are absolutely correct... The machines send data *to Resmed"... they use that data to better model peoples sleep, and try and (theoretically) improve their treatment algorithms... DMEs and doctors can link into that data store and pull down some of your data.

WOW!
Sending my personal, federally protected health information to a device manufacturer without my PRIOR knowledge or consent? Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?
I don't remember ever seeing any Privacy Notice from Resmed. Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?
Then releasing it to another company without my PRIOR WRITTEN permission? Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?

smm3cpap wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:52 am

palerider wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:44 am

JayDee wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:58 am

As far as I am aware, the machine connects to Resmed (the manufacturer), not to your DME. The DME *may* have your Resmed account related to their monitoring account so that they can view your data. That's probably automated - I doubt a human at the DME is logging in and scrolling through the data for all their patients on a daily basis.

You are absolutely correct... The machines send data *to Resmed"... they use that data to better model peoples sleep, and try and (theoretically) improve their treatment algorithms... DMEs and doctors can link into that data store and pull down some of your data.

WOW!
Sending my personal, federally protected health information to a device manufacturer without my PRIOR knowledge or consent? Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?
I don't remember ever seeing any Privacy Notice from Resmed. Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?
Then releasing it to another company without my PRIOR WRITTEN permission? Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?

Oh, get over it.
It's data, with a serial number, nothing to track back to you.
Then think about all the forms you signed when you got the machine.

Janknitz wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:27 am

1) If UHC paid for monitoring, you should have gotten an EOB stating they did.

2) Once you meet the compliance requirements of your insurer, nobody CARES about your data unless you happen to be working with the occasional doctor who is working closely with you to help you find optimal treatment (does such a unicorn even exist???).

3) So my feeling is MYOB.

4) My machine was paid for all at once, it belongs to ME, and I'm the only one who cares about my health, not numbers to prove I'm using it so someone else will pay for it.

1) Got one saying "I" owe.
2) If no one cares, why do they have a "Monitoring Service"
3) EXACTLY! It's data about ME, and is therefore protected by federal law (Ever heard of HIPAA?)
4) Not with Apria Healthcare! They wanted to charge me hundreds of dollars to PURCHASE the device (After insurance deductibles, discounts, etc) and THEN wanted me to sign a RENTAL agreement. Rent something I OWN? I refused, but they are sending me bills...

smm3cpap wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:05 pm

1) Got one saying "I" owe.
2) If no one cares, why do they have a "Monitoring Service"
3) EXACTLY! It's data about ME, and is therefore protected by federal law (Ever heard of HIPAA?)
4) Not with Apria Healthcare! They wanted to charge me hundreds of dollars to PURCHASE the device (After insurance deductibles, discounts, etc) and THEN wanted me to sign a RENTAL agreement. Rent something I OWN? I refused, but they are sending me bills...

You sound like a smartass who is about to get his credit history dinged by Apria. Good luck dealing with the collection agency that handles your account. You won't be so smart the next time.

smm3cpap wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:52 am

palerider wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:44 am

JayDee wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:58 am

As far as I am aware, the machine connects to Resmed (the manufacturer), not to your DME. The DME *may* have your Resmed account related to their monitoring account so that they can view your data. That's probably automated - I doubt a human at the DME is logging in and scrolling through the data for all their patients on a daily basis.

You are absolutely correct... The machines send data *to Resmed"... they use that data to better model peoples sleep, and try and (theoretically) improve their treatment algorithms... DMEs and doctors can link into that data store and pull down some of your data.

WOW!
Sending my personal, federally protected health information to a device manufacturer without my PRIOR knowledge or consent? Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?
I don't remember ever seeing any Privacy Notice from Resmed. Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?
Then releasing it to another company without my PRIOR WRITTEN permission? Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?

The hardest part of HIPAA is staying awake during the training.
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DME's Maybe:

smm3cpap wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:05 pm

3) EXACTLY! It's data about ME, and is therefore protected by federal law (Ever heard of HIPAA?)

You really should actually *LEARN* something before you rant more.

WOW!
Sending my personal, federally protected health information to a device manufacturer without my PRIOR knowledge or consent? Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?
I don't remember ever seeing any Privacy Notice from Resmed. Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?
Then releasing it to another company without my PRIOR WRITTEN permission? Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?

Oh, get over it.
It's data, with a serial number, nothing to track back to you.
Then think about all the forms you signed when you got the machine.

1) A serial number linked to me
2) I NEVER signed ANY form! It was delivered and left on my doorstep after my doctor submitted a request for one to UHC. No return postage, UPS or Fedex slip.

smm3cpap wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:48 pm

WOW!
Sending my personal, federally protected health information to a device manufacturer without my PRIOR knowledge or consent? Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?
I don't remember ever seeing any Privacy Notice from Resmed. Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?
Then releasing it to another company without my PRIOR WRITTEN permission? Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?

Oh, get over it.
It's data, with a serial number, nothing to track back to you.
Then think about all the forms you signed when you got the machine.

1) A serial number linked to me
2) I NEVER signed ANY form! It was delivered and left on my doorstep after my doctor submitted a request for one to UHC. No return postage, UPS or Fedex slip.

Is that the WAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE I hear?

Such a whiny baby.

Here's a thought for you to attempt to cogitate on.

Resmed, and Respironics, *and others* have been doing this for *YEARS*.

If it wasn't perfectly legal, don't you think some frothing at the mouth person such as yourself would have successfully sued them?

They haven't.

smm3cpap wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:52 am

Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?
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Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?
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Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?

smm3cpap wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:05 pm

(Ever heard of HIPAA?)

smm3cpap wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:48 pm

Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?
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Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?
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Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?

Cripes, you're irratating. Are you not capable of discussion without continuously parroting references to these people never having heard of HIPAA?

Then, when you've calmed down, recognize that HIPAA is not a "Nobody SHALL NOT share smm3cpap's personal data with out his written permission". HIPAA has scope, it applies to health-care providers and insurers, possibly a few more.

It does not apply to device manufacturers. ResMed and other manufacturers are not bound by HIPAA.

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:35 pm

smm3cpap wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:52 am

Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?
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Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?
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Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?

smm3cpap wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:05 pm

(Ever heard of HIPAA?)

smm3cpap wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:48 pm

Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?
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Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?
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Haven't these people heard of HIPAA?

Cripes, you're irratating. Are you not capable of discussion without continuously parroting references to these people never having heard of HIPAA?

When the pony only has one trick...

That said, a TINY bit of intelligence and a modicum of research would have yielded something like https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-la ... ur-insurer and we'd all have been spared a bunch of whiny screeching.

Interesting thread, several years ago I contacted RESMED to have my MyAir account deleted and no further information collected, I received an email telling me my account was removed. Recently I bought a new Resmed Autoset 10 and going through the menus it listed a modem with AT&T, my previous Resmed Autoset 10 did not show this information. I tried to log in the MyAir and learned my account was still active and if we had not been using airplane mode it would have be gathering information. I input the new machine numbers (airplane mode off) and all the new info is there. I suspect they collect the information regardless of your wishes, the only difference is if you have access to that information or not. The receipt for a new machine contains everything they need to associate you with a particular machine. I do not use insurance or a DME, and prefer not to risk voiding the warranty by opening and disabling the modem, but understand some may want to do that. For everyone else airplane mode seems to be the best option for a little more privacy.

We also received a notice about AirView™ Data Transfer , it is different than MyAir. AirView is a subscription service that allows your doctor/DME to collect information from the machine, make changes etc. I suspect this is the service DME uses to access your machine. We are not interested, as I posted previously, we will take the card along to see the health care provider. My guess is as long as your modem is connected and airplane mode is off someone somewhere has complete access to your machine, but highly doubt RESMED is going to pass this along to any DME for sales purposes.

Man, oh-Man, OH-MAN!! I can only imagine the evil ResMed is up to with all our data... Counting every little clear airway event... How often you snore... How long you sleep... Who here is so brainwashed, gullible and naive that they *REFUSE* to believe that ResMed has burglary rings spread all across the country waiting to burgle us while we sleep? Their burglary dispatch center must be HUGE!

Man! We have *GOT* to stop that signal! Get on the google and find some DIY plans for a faraday cage to contain your PAP machine! Don't fall for the cheap, simple ones like sticking it in a metal trash can. Those won't work. We need to think in terms of blocking an EMP event. So, unless it's been updated since my last understanding, mil-spec for a high-confidence faraday cage is three layers of grounded shielding with each layer separated by a three foot (minimum) air gap. I'd go four-feet of separation if I had the room. Also, I'm sure these PAP machines have a satellite backup if the cell modem can't connect, so I would plan on blocking gHz freqs. That means you should get the pure copper screen that has the smallest mesh you can find for your faraday cage. And you can't use that heated hose anymore as I would not put it past those data gluttons at ResMed to use the heating element embedded into the hose as a backup antenna. Oh, they are *devious*! Don't you let anyone else tell you different!

Now I know building a faraday cage is not a trivial project and I know copper is expensive, but what price do you place on your precious bodily data?! I for one can can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily data!! Don't even get me started on Flouridation!

And if a faraday cage won't work, then I think the only feasible option left is to nuke it from orbit.

Heaven help us all!
-JD






PS. If anyone takes this seriously instead of satirically, then they should know that I wrote this just for them.
PSS. Yes, I brazenly abused those movie quotes.

Privacy is a personal preference, some prefer more than others, but some mock and ridicule anyone that even suggests they have different preferences. For some, it's not about evil big brother types it's more of a personal preference. Most people do not mind signing that agreement to have their new cars record and save audio from them and their passengers, or devices like Alexa making recordings. As most would say " if you are not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about" . However for some, just knowing some group of individuals could be listening,perhaps even mocking and laughing at their personal conversations with their loved ones drives them to read the fine print on the agreements they sign. Yes in Utopia there is no need for any privacy because no individuals would do anything less than honorable. Sorry if I offended anyone by suggesting I agree with those believing personal privacy is a good thing.

PaJoe wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:09 am

Privacy is a personal preference, some prefer more than others, but some mock and ridicule anyone that even suggests they have different preferences. For some, it's not about evil big brother types it's more of a personal preference. Most people do not mind signing that agreement to have their new cars record and save audio from them and their passengers, or devices like Alexa making recordings. As most would say " if you are not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about" . However for some, just knowing some group of individuals could be listening,perhaps even mocking and laughing at their personal conversations with their loved ones drives them to read the fine print on the agreements they sign. Yes in Utopia there is no need for any privacy because no individuals would do anything less than honorable. Sorry if I offended anyone by suggesting I agree with those believing personal privacy is a good thing.

You're not representing accurately all that's going on in this topic.

ie:

• While it's agreed that ResMed IS uploading data, there is NO evidence that ResMed has anything beyond the machine serial number. (unless one volunteers and supplies said personal information via providing it via MyAir
• Some are making false claims about CPAP manufacturers being in violation of HIPAA. They are not. HIPAA does not apply to device manufacturers.
• Some are making false claims that their data is being shared without their knowledge. Many are being informed, but it's within the forums they signed, agreed to, but didn't read. It's also in the the ResMed user guide. The ResMed 10 screen provides an icon that all or most should be familiar with, wireless signal strength bars.
• ResMed provides a method, airplane mode to prevent transmission.

If you want to be vigilant about asserting your rights to privacy then by all means do do. But you should be equally vigilante about ensuring others are being truthful and accurate about theses alleged violations.

In my original post I wrote I highly doubted Resmed was sharing any information with DME for sales purposes. Sorry if that was miss understood.