Virgin Nights

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Virgin Nights

Post by Kiralynx » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:53 pm

First three nights on Bipap Auto SV.

So, I got my tank in. And it IS a tank. It's a Respironics BiPap Auto SV, intended to handle the fact that I couldn't do things the easy way. No, no, I couldn't have ordinary OSA, obstructive sleep apnea. 'Cause mine got WORSE when they put me on CPAP. I started throwing central apneas. In central apneas, the brain basically says, "Breathing? Oh... she doesn't need to breathe...." So Complex Sleep Disordered Breathing.

I got the machine Tuesday, brought it home and set it up. (Just what I need, MORE stuff required when traveling!) It's set for 14/10 with a min of 10 and max of 14, although that isn't QUITE true.

And settled in. Got the mask on -- decided to try the nasal pillows instead of the nasal cushion (turns out I take a small, not the medium the lab sized me with). And turned it on. OK, fine, it's about as comfortable as one can expect a Darth Vader meets the Klingons set up to be.

The Duo handled it just fine. They were a little puzzled by the mask, but wearing the nasal pillows instead of the cushion let them get in a tongue slurp on the nose. My girl curled by my hip, and my guy lay down with his head over my shoulder. The machine itself is significantly more quiet than the ceiling fan or the air purifier, so that wasn't a problem. Well, until I turned my head and jetted my guy with some cold air. At which he lifted his head and just set his chin down over the exhale vent, making it a trifle difficult to do that. I had to move his chin, and turn my head so he didn't get hissed at, and he just put his head down on my shoulder and went to sleep.

I turned out the light, and attempted to doze off.

Bleep-bleep-bleep!

Jerk upright and try to peer at the screen. All I can make out without my glasses is IPAP of 10.1 and EPAP of 9.8. OK, I lie back down and try to doze off.

Bleep-bleep-bleep!

Repeat procedure.

Repeat bleep-bleep-bleep and check and nothing over and over for the next four hours, at which point, I said, "BLEEP THIS, YOU STUPID MACHINE!" and turned it off, took the mask off, went to the bathroom, came back, and crawled in with my fur kids and went to sleep, feeling kind of guilty at not keeping the mask on all night.

Got up in the morning, and went to install the card reader and software, only to find the card reader will not work with my computer. It makes it freeze up. So I install it on the lap top. And look at my data.

Ouch. AHI of 18, with one apnea and 17 hypopneas, which is more than I had during my original sleep study without CPAP. In four hours. Further down, I find out that the average patient triggered breaths were under 89%. Oh. Goodie. And that my mask leak rate was around 53.1, which is BAD for my mask. It should be no more than 25-38.

I called the respiratory therapist, and told her if the alarm was going to go off all night, it was rather defeating the purpose of the therapy, which is to get me a night's sleep without my being jolted awake by these breathing events. So we reset the timing on the alarms.

I approached bedtime the second night with trepidation (but was very glad my husband was back from 3 days in Norfolk, VA). Masked up, settled in, and went to sleep. Still very conscious of the mask. Woke around 3a and went to the bathroom. Realized I had NOT been awakened by hip pain for the first time in over six years. Put mask back on and turned machine back on. Went back to sleep and was sleeping just fine until Harry came back around 5:45 to tell me he'd dropped the jar of homemade mustard and broken the jar. AND lost the mustard. I suspect my efforts to discuss this with him contributed greatly to the night's leak rate. Went back to sleep until around 8a, at which point, I got up and pulled the card, and trotted off to check my stats.

Which were much better than the night before -- AHI of 8 (1 apnea and 7 hypopneas) for a period 2.5 times as long as the previous night, 96.8% patient triggered breaths (but the periodic breathing was 3%, so if I wasn't breathing and the machine wasn't breathing, who was breathing the other .2% of the time? the Dachshunds?), and a mask leak rate of 38.8, which is still too high for my mask, but much better than the night before.

Last night, settled in OK. Had two alarms. AHI of 7 (1 apnea and 6 hypopneas). Several episodes of periodic breathing, 2%, and a mask leak rate of 41.1. Rather annoyingly, I had what I can only describe as "glue mouth." My mouth wasn't dry, which would indicate mouth breathing, but my throat felt clogged, and I couldn't swallow without opening my mouth. I normally sleep with my tongue against the roof of my mouth,. That's where it was whenever I woke, or tried to swallow.

Apologies for the lack of graphs, but it seems that the smart card reader locks up my computer regardless of which USB port I put it into. And there's no way to export the data from Encore Viewer for transport from the lap top to this machine. (Network is down; must go buy a new splitter.)

IS there a way to copy and paste Encore Viewer graphs?

IS there a way to do tables on this board? (I do not have a web site to post stuff like this to.) The data below will NOT line up, either using tabs or spaces. I hope it's comprehensible.

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Event	Tues, 28 Oct 2008	Weds, 29 Oct 2008	Thurs. 30 Oct 2008
Time	4h 3m	                       9h 44m	                     8h 5m
Hours	10:52p – 2:55a,	        10:11p – 9:55a	             11:09p – 7:14a  
AHI	        1A/17H 18	                1A/7H 8.0	             1A/6H 7.0
Break	2:10a	                        3:30a	                      1:15a
Max Set   14.0	                                14.0	                              14.0
Avg Peak IPAP 13.9	                        13.7	                              14.0
Min Setting	10.0	                        10.0	                              10.0
EPAP	10.0	                                10.0	                              10.0
Per Breathing	0%	                         3%	                               2%
Avg Tidal Vol	420.0	                419.6	                      374.9
Avg Peak Flow	19.2	                        21.2	                              18.6
Avg Breaths/ Min 11.8	                12.8	                              12.2
Back Up Rate	Auto	                        Auto	                              Auto
Avg PT Breaths 89.5                 	96.8%	                      95%
Large Leak	13.0 min	                0.0 min,	                      0.0
	               5.35%	               0% of night	                0%
Avg Leak	       53.1	                        38.8	                              41.1
Mask Avg. @ 10 -15 28-35	       28-35	                             28-35
The one large leak was courtesy of a bathroom break, and me not getting the hose reattached tightly enough. It came off, and I was groggy enough that I did not register the fact for a bit, and then spent altogether too much time swearing as I tried to mash the hose back onto the mask. It appears to be easier to just take the mask off altogether when going to the necessary than to try to disconnect and reconnect.

One thing which is really annoying is that when I attempt to roll over, I typically hold my breath. (I don't know why: possibly, I'm bracing against back, hip, and incision pain.) The machine, of course, thinks this is, at best, a hypopnea, and starts trying to correct it, and when I start breathing again, if I try to keep up with the machine, I find myself hyperventilating.

Clearly, the leak rate needs to come down. Equally clearly, the AHI is nowhere near acceptable. Hopefully, the leak rate will change as I get more accustomed to the headgear and am not knocking the thing around when I try to sit up or change positions. I'm very glad I got the Hozer hose manager, because if I had to cope with moving the mask, and moving the hose, and moving me, I'd lose it altogether. I need to be a Moti (with at least three hands) in order to hold onto the mask AND grab my trapeze in order to get up or roll over.
DSM said: "Your settings are an interesting variation - no bilevel mode but only pressure support mode - am guessing you would find that quite comfortable."
Kind of yes, and kind of no. I found the ramp annoying, so haven't bothered with it. I find the 10 Exhale somewhat difficult when I'm settling in and trying to relax to go to sleep. I'm putting more effort into exhaling than I am inhaling.

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Re: Virgin Nights

Post by sleepycarol » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:30 pm

Hoping someone can help you with your questions.
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Re: Virgin Nights

Post by echo » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:31 pm

hey kiralynx, i have no idea about your machine, and thus your therapy, but just wanted to post some encouraging words ... ummm.... "it gets better with time" and ... "i bet you'll get lots of good responses to your post"

The only thing that I could maybe comment on: does your machine have some sort of ramp that you can use when falling asleep? Does the Bipap do that? [Edit: nevermind, I just saw that you didn't like it. Guess my speed reading isn't really reading at all ]

The excess leaking could still be due to mouth leaking ... I would keep an eye on that.

Hope tonight goes better!
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Re: Virgin Nights

Post by jules » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:34 pm

viewtopic.php?p=295213#p295213

this is about posting pictures - if you get questions on it more, then pm me or I can meet you in chat

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Re: Virgin Nights

Post by Snoredog » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:43 pm

I'd go to the Alarm Settings Screen and set the alarm=0 that will disable the alarm.
someday science will catch up to what I'm saying...

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Re: Virgin Nights

Post by Kiralynx » Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:22 pm

sleepycarol wrote:Hoping someone can help you with your questions.
Ditto! One day at a time.....!

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Re: Virgin Nights

Post by Kiralynx » Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:33 pm

echo wrote:hey kiralynx, i have no idea about your machine, and thus your therapy, but just wanted to post some encouraging words ... ummm.... "it gets better with time" and ... "i bet you'll get lots of good responses to your post"
Encouragement is always appreciated. As the Chinese curse runs, "May you live in interesting times...." Well, I have to say that there are aspects of all this which are entirely too interesting!
The only thing that I could maybe comment on: does your machine have some sort of ramp that you can use when falling asleep? Does the Bipap do that? [Edit: nevermind, I just saw that you didn't like it. Guess my speed reading isn't really reading at all ]
Well, I may give the ramp another shot and see what happens. Lots of experimentation to do here.
The excess leaking could still be due to mouth leaking ... I would keep an eye on that.


Agreed, but since I knocked my mask off several times while trying to roll over, I'm inclined to think it's that. Still, worth keeping a weather eye on it, though derned if I know what I can do about it besides trying to keep my tongue on the roof of my mouth. This is not an if, this is not an and, this is not a but maybe.... a full face mask, tape, or a chin strap are right out. I would wake up screaming if I could get to sleep at all. The claustrophobia is that bad.
Hope tonight goes better!
Well, it's the fourth night... has to get better. The RT was amazed to hear I'd made it through a partial night and two full nights with the mask on. And claimed the AHI and leak rate was "excellent" for a new user. <g> I know better.

Thanks for the encouragement!

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Re: Virgin Nights

Post by Kiralynx » Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:36 pm

jules wrote:viewtopic.php?p=295213#p295213

this is about posting pictures - if you get questions on it more, then pm me or I can meet you in chat
Thanks... I'll check it out. Although it seems to be about converting to PDFs or JPGs. Did I miss the part about how to actually post them to a message?

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Re: Virgin Nights

Post by Kiralynx » Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:43 pm

Snoredog wrote:I'd go to the Alarm Settings Screen and set the alarm=0 that will disable the alarm.
I'm endeavoring to look up how to do just that. I did reset them with the RT on the phone, but neglected to try to juggle paper and pen to write the procedure down.

Had two alarms last night, but they didn't stop me from going back to sleep. May tonight be better.

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Re: Virgin Nights

Post by jules » Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:51 pm

you need to upload them onto photobucket or another free hosting photo page - - you can put in the url for the album or use the Img command with the url for the actual picture in between the [ img ] and the [ /img ] , use preview to confirm it is in the message and go from there - if you use photobucket they will give you the whole command if you find the right spot to click under the picture and you can just paste the whole link it for the image

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Re: Virgin Nights

Post by ozij » Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:16 pm

You can load the provider manual from DSM's site.
http://www.internetage.ws/cpapdata/manu ... manual.pdf
Chapter 7 has instructions about cancelling the alarms - and what is even nicer, if you want to be super sophisticated, you can tell the machine how long to wait before sounding an apnea alarm.

No need for pencil and paper...

While some people adapt to therapy immediately, for others it takes a while - it was longer for me.
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Re: Virgin Nights

Post by Kiralynx » Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:13 pm

jules wrote:you need to upload them onto photobucket or another free hosting photo page
Oh, lordie... something else new to learn. I've never used photobucket or anything like that... I was muttering a few weeks ago about needing a new area of study. Sometimes, the universe's sense of humor is altogether TOO apt!

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Re: Virgin Nights

Post by Kiralynx » Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:21 pm

ozij wrote:You can load the provider manual from DSM's site.
http://www.internetage.ws/cpapdata/manu ... manual.pdf
Chapter 7 has instructions about cancelling the alarms - and what is even nicer, if you want to be super sophisticated, you can tell the machine how long to wait before sounding an apnea alarm. No need for pencil and paper...
Downloaded, and will be looking at it tomorrow. Only 2 alarms last night, or more correctly, early this morning.
While some people adapt to therapy immediately, for others it takes a while - it was longer for me.
Let's put it this way: I looked at my data this morning. Then went back and looked at the data for the other nights so far. Yep. Every cluster of hypopneas corresponds to right about when I ordinarily would be awakened by severe pain in my hips, have to wake up enough to take anti-inflammatories, then wait for them to kick in before I could go back to sleep.

But despite the hypopneas being far higher in number than I hope to see eventually, I am not being awakened with the hip and knee pain -- and I'm needing far fewer doses of anti-inflammatories during the day so far. Could be placebo effect. Doesn't feel like it. I'd put up with a great deal more odd things than a mask and a hose for getting rid of the pain issues that have plagued me for the last six years.

Granted, it's gonna take awhile before sleeping in the mask is "the norm...."

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Re: Virgin Nights

Post by jules » Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:02 pm

the photos have to be online somewhere for you to be able to put in the url for them

I have used photobucket - you sign up for an account and then you can upload off your hard drive onto your "album" - once a photo is in your album you can post it here or post the url for it

there are other sites besides photobucket you can use to store pictures online and there are a few places you can store pdfs too but I never have

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Re: Virgin Nights

Post by Kiralynx » Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:29 am

jules wrote:the photos have to be online somewhere for you to be able to put in the url for them
Yes, I understand that, although I've seen reports pasted into messages here, I thought. Or perhaps those were sleep studies.

The problem is that the computer with which I access the net does not have a working USB port, other than the one the printer is plugged into. I won't unplug the printer on a daily basis because I can't reach that cable easily. I won't have access to a trustworthy technician to fix this issue until next summer. (Yes, there are techs in my city. Trusting them with my computer is another matter, when they want me to sign documents absolving them of any blame if they destroy my hard drives or other critical components.)

As a consequence, the lap top, which does have a working USB port (and Encore Viewer) installed on it, has no access to the Net and I have no way to transfer the data between the two machines except by writing it to a CD. Flash drives do not work on my desk top.

Encore Viewer, installed on my desk top and my lap top (since I can obviously only use one machine at a time) has one printer driver -- MSFax. I do not know how to add printers to Encore Viewer so that I can take the lap top over to my father's (he has a color printer; I do not) and print the data out, then scan it back in on my machine.

I also do not like Encore Viewer AT ALL... apparently, the programmers couldn't be bothered to program for older computers, yet again. EV works fine on the year old lap top, other than the fact that there's no way to add a printer to it. But it just froze my system when I pulled it up without the card reader attached -- yet attaching the card reader also freezes my system. (Note: system is a 1.8, is six years old, and running Windows XP Pro.)

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