Camping out with a CPAP in a tent or in a Car.

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Camping out with a CPAP in a tent or in a Car.

Post by JohnnyBSurfing » Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:24 pm

Hello fellow CPAP believers:

I had posted back earlier this year after a camping trip to Daytona for the 500 about the interesting first experience with a cpap in a tent and a big long extension cord.
I have just completed a 58 day 15,200 + mile trip around North America. the gist is from Florida all the way up the east coast including Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine. Then crossing into Canada and doing the Trans-Canadian highway from Halifax NS over to Victoria BC then down the West Coast to Mexico. Then back across the south to home in Florida.
Great trip Lighthouses, Lobsters, Salmon & Grizzly Bears, Rugged scenic west coast scenic beauty, and of course the SW and the Mississippi Delta are just always a favorite.

Ok now that you have an idea of where I was this is what matters here to us as a CPAP users forum, how did I stay plugged in at night????

After much research and terror at the thought of being out on the road and camping without my CPAP I finally made a decision and invested about $350 to get set up so that I would be able to sleep well. If you know you have sleep apnea then every time you wake up it's worse, it is just horrible to know why you just awoke and what it will mean by 3 pm the next day.

I did call the great folks at CPAP.com first and they said hey our batteries honestly aren't really going to cut it for your Resmed S9, you might as well go get a Deep Cycle Marine Battery (25 pounds) for a lot less and that will work.
I did call ResMed and the techs go over Watt hours and Amps and stuff that you just can't figure out and after they tell you, well you still have no clue what it means.
They recommended a place online called Battery Power Solutions, they don't sell direct they just have a bunch of places they sell to that you can order from online.
The batteries were all on order from China and no one had one to sell me 2 weeks prior to my departure date?!


Here was the solution a 266 watt Hour Owell cpap battery (4 pounds) from BestCPAPprice.com 888-346-CPAP they were cool and explained they had worked a long time with the former husband wife of Battery power solutions and they were tired of waiting for them to get it together all the time so they just went and figured out the company in China where they were getting the Lithium Ion CPAP batteries and ordered direct from them Owell battery in China even the web sites English is a little broken.
So anyway they have the same battery about $100 - $150 cheaper than the other vendors that I had been ready to buy from first.

Didn't take long and the battery was at my door.
A day earlier the Amazon.com company that I ordered my 225 Watt inverter from had delivered no problem.

The skiny there is that ResMed god bless them has the great S9 looks like a clock radio not a big clunk of medical equipment next to my bed. But they haven't come out with a way to go from battery to machine. So you have to have a 110 v outlet in your tent or home to plug the S9 into.
A battery inverter takes the 12 volt battery amps it up to a 110 v and you can plug right into it just like at home, even if you are in a tent or sleeping as I found was necessary more than once in my car -a 2005 VolksWagen TDi Beetle !

Ok so it works great you can plug the inverter into the car cigarette lighter (does anyone still use that for that?) and then do a 110v recharge in about 4-5 hours of the battery.
Then at night you just switch it so the 12 v cigarette charger adapter goes into the battery and the ResMed S9 plugs right into the 225w Inverter just like your homes outlets.

The inverter takes away about half battery life as it ramps up the 12v to 110v so the run time was just almost 6 hours every night.
And you will wake up when you cpap stops and the battery warning beeper goes off !!!
Was it perfect no, but was it enough to get me the deep sleep I needed to drive and drive and drive, YES. Touchdown.
Maybe ResMed will release the promised cord that connects it to a 12 v by next summer and all will be well for 8+ hours a night.

Hard to follow but a picture is worth a thousand words so I will attach the pictures.

Image

Uploaded with ImageShack.us This is the system ready to go on my front seat.
Image The battery.
Image The Inverter.

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

Now the laughable parts.
Two nights out of 58 I was sleeping in my car in a well lit parking lot seat back very tinted windows sound asleep thanks to my CPAP.
Nothing like waking up to a loud 3 raps on my driver side window and the words " Hello this is the Police !!!"
The first fellow a Canadian didn't say anything about the CPAP as it was off and under a blanket by the time I was sitting up and had my window down.
He ran my license realized I was harmless and let me go back to sleep.

The Crecent City California officers first words were "Do you always sleep with an Oxygen mask on ?"
I was still half asleep as I stammered it is a CPAP machine, you know what that is right?
Of course he said no what?
In my half asleep condition I couldn't remember what the heck CPAP stood for ( my thought was something like C pressure AP ???)
so I just said "It keeps you blown up."
He informed me that camping was against the city ordinance but I could go back to sleep for a couple hours and move along he didn't really have a problem with that.

I hope that this helps someone out there get out of the house and out in the great big beautiful outdoors with peace of mind that they will sleep well.
Footnotes:
*I didn't do the humidifier since the Climate Line and humidifier are big time energy vampires.
*If you are not on a heated climate line and the temperature in the town of Banff in the Canadian Rockies falls to zero C you may wake up with very cold teeth.
*Ear Pluggs are fantastic cheap ways to ensure not waking up to random noises, trains, babies, or your battery alarm.
*A 25 pound Deep Cycle Marine Battery has great big heavy lead plates so that it can do a deep discharge and suffer no ill effects, although I am not going to hike or camp with it unless I was say on a boat!
* Your normal car battery has thin lead plates and a lead don't know what but I read it is similar to a sponge with lots of poors so that you get a strong flash of power to start your engine, if you deep discharge this type of battery often this stuff crumbles down to the bottom of the battery and it don't work so good anymore.....( at least thats what I read.)

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Re: Camping out with a CPAP in a tent or in a Car.

Post by idamtnboy » Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:17 pm

JohnnyBSurfing wrote:Hello fellow CPAP believers:
Maybe ResMed will release the promised cord that connects it to a 12 v by next summer and all will be well for 8+ hours a night.
A cord to 12v outlet would be nice, and easier to use than an inverter, but don't look for 8+ hours of use. The S9 will use the same amount of power regardless what it is plugged into. The inverter and S9 power adapter don't consume very much power, so leaving them out of the loop won't have much effect. The new card, or adapter, they make available will absorb some power just like the adapter and inverter do because it has to have circuitry to raise 12v battery voltage to 24v S9 input voltage.

What really would be nice would be a super quiet micro sized generator running on gasoline or propane. I ran my S9, with humidifier, off my pickup battery last summer for one night. Ran for about 7 hrs and the battery ran down. Had to jump start the pickup the next morning! I also had to connect the inverter directly to the battery. The current draw by the S9 was so heavy that the inverter shut down on low voltage when I plugged it into a 12v outlet.

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Re: Camping out with a CPAP in a tent or in a Car.

Post by The Texan » Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:25 am

Have you given any thought to changing your normal "start" battery in the car to a "RV/Marine deep cycle" battery? That will allow you to use the inverter longer and the battery will start your car and recharge while you drive. If there is room somewhere to locate a 2nd 12v deep cycle battery and wire it in series with the original, you will have more than enough power to run both the cpap and the humidifier all night for several nights, without recharging. Also, a small solar panel laid on the roof while parked, would extend your stay at one location without the need to run the engine or have hookups. My whole system has run on nothing but 12v for over a year now.

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Re: Camping out with a CPAP in a tent or in a Car.

Post by nanwilson » Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:50 am

What a trip!!!!! Wonderful!
I use a 12 volt deep cycle marine battery and a modified sine wave inverter,
and can go 4 full nights on a single charge. Love it, not only does it do for my camping trips, but its my backup in case of power loss at home.
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Re: Camping out with a CPAP in a tent or in a Car.

Post by JohnnyBSurfing » Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:12 am

Great Replies

Hello idmtnboy: I too am looking forward to the future solutions, like a little eye dropper full of hydrogen that powers my little bitty fuel-cell battery in the back of my CPAP machine for days.
*There is a bigger Owell Lithium Ion battery that weighs about 11 pounds that has twice again the run time.

Hello Texan: That is great stuff! You know I did think about trying to fit an Odyssey Glass matt deep cycle military grade battery into the Bug, because I had used one on my BMW K1200LT motorcycle with great success.
Image
However the Bug is so darn tight you have to take half the engine apart to change a Headlight lightbulb, the battery area is dreadful and the mounting is very specialized so the equal Odyssey battery wouldn't fit without some special custom welded brackets. But a great idea that ran across my mind too, just not cost effective the battery is very expensive and still won't get me sleeping in a tent along the trail.

Yes GVZ:

Hello nanwilson: I am interested in the Deep Cycle Marine Battery experiences that you had ? It would be a real treat to be able to take a week long backpacking adventure with a battery that would give you 4 nights out on the trail.
And how much does that thing weigh as you shlep it around between the auto and home? Seriously I considered just putting a 25 pound Lead Acid battery in the backpack with a gortex sleeping bag and just MRE rations to eat, and a water purifier.

Love the feedback!
Thanks for your consideration,


PS. I am psyched that the Litium Ion battery and inverter still have another use to power my laptop in the car long enough to watch a couple of movies from the internet or DVD.

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Re: Camping out with a CPAP in a tent or in a Car.

Post by nanwilson » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:40 am

Hi Johnny
Unfortunately my 12 volt marine battery weights 50 lbs, so for me its a chore to lug around. I bought a small hand cart that folds down & I've got it on that. MUCH easier....I'm an old lady lol. In the good weather I keep it with my camping gear, but now its getting colder I have it in the garage. That way if we have any power shutdowns its easier for me to get at. A small solar panel would be very nice to have too. I had a 12 inch one but stupid me gave it away, thinking I would never use it I could have hooked it up during the day and kept my battery charged..........this was prior to cpap...sometimes we kinda miss the boat and don't use our brains when we need to.
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Re: Camping out with a CPAP in a tent or in a Car.

Post by rested gal » Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:31 pm

Thanks, Johnny. Very good pictures! I've added this topic to the links here:

LINKS to Battery operation, camping, power outage
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Re: Camping out with a CPAP in a tent or in a Car.

Post by physicsbob » Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:16 pm

I use a deep cycle marine battery for my main supply and also for camping, I use a float charger to continuously charge the battery at home. My M series cpap takes 12 volts directly, and while camping I could get 4 nights sleep without charging using the humidifier set on 2. I use this setup at home because we have experienced at least 6 power outages this year and it lets me sleep without worry of interruptions. the battery does weigh 70 lb so backpacking is definitely out
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Re: Camping out with a CPAP in a tent or in a Car.

Post by zedjay95 » Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:00 pm

JohnnyBSurfing wrote:Great Replies

Hello idmtnboy: I too am looking forward to the future solutions, like a little eye dropper full of hydrogen that powers my little bitty fuel-cell battery in the back of my CPAP machine for days.
*There is a bigger Owell Lithium Ion battery that weighs about 11 pounds that has twice again the run time.

Hello Texan: That is great stuff! You know I did think about trying to fit an Odyssey Glass matt deep cycle military grade battery into the Bug, because I had used one on my BMW K1200LT motorcycle with great success.
Image
However the Bug is so darn tight you have to take half the engine apart to change a Headlight lightbulb, the battery area is dreadful and the mounting is very specialized so the equal Odyssey battery wouldn't fit without some special custom welded brackets. But a great idea that ran across my mind too, just not cost effective the battery is very expensive and still won't get me sleeping in a tent along the trail.

Yes GVZ:

Hello nanwilson: I am interested in the Deep Cycle Marine Battery experiences that you had ? It would be a real treat to be able to take a week long backpacking adventure with a battery that would give you 4 nights out on the trail.
And how much does that thing weigh as you shlep it around between the auto and home? Seriously I considered just putting a 25 pound Lead Acid battery in the backpack with a gortex sleeping bag and just MRE rations to eat, and a water purifier.

Love the feedback!
Thanks for your consideration,


PS. I am psyched that the Litium Ion battery and inverter still have another use to power my laptop in the car long enough to watch a couple of movies from the internet or DVD.
i did a quick search and one of these http://www.optimabatteries.com/optima_p ... /index.php will fit into a bug and would more than power a cpap for the night

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Re: Camping out with a CPAP in a tent or in a Car.

Post by flash2 » Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:40 am

I'm new to CPAP but I've already done the camping thing with it. I used the devilbiss intellipap and the little battery pack from the sponsers of this forum.
Worked like a charm for the nights in the horse trailer. Had enough juice all night long. Just charged the battery pack during the day. Was really small and very convenient. The entire unit and battery fit in the bag that came with the unit. Now that I have my permanent machine (s9 auto) i am planning on buying a second machine (intellipap) jsut to go camping or sleeping in the car waiting for the kids.

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Re: Camping out with a CPAP in a tent or in a Car.

Post by voltaire » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:01 am

JohnnyBSurfing wrote:Hello fellow CPAP believers:

I had posted back earlier this year after a camping trip to Daytona for the 500 about the interesting first experience with a cpap in a tent and a big long extension cord.
I have just completed a 58 day 15,200 + mile trip around North America. the gist is from Florida all the way up the east coast including Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine. Then crossing into Canada and doing the Trans-Canadian highway from Halifax NS over to Victoria BC then down the West Coast to Mexico. Then back across the south to home in Florida.
Great trip Lighthouses, Lobsters, Salmon & Grizzly Bears, Rugged scenic west coast scenic beauty, and of course the SW and the Mississippi Delta are just always a favorite.

Ok now that you have an idea of where I was this is what matters here to us as a CPAP users forum, how did I stay plugged in at night????

After much research and terror at the thought of being out on the road and camping without my CPAP I finally made a decision and invested about $350 to get set up so that I would be able to sleep well. If you know you have sleep apnea then every time you wake up it's worse, it is just horrible to know why you just awoke and what it will mean by 3 pm the next day.

I did call the great folks at CPAP.com first and they said hey our batteries honestly aren't really going to cut it for your Resmed S9, you might as well go get a Deep Cycle Marine Battery (25 pounds) for a lot less and that will work.
I did call ResMed and the techs go over Watt hours and Amps and stuff that you just can't figure out and after they tell you, well you still have no clue what it means.
They recommended a place online called Battery Power Solutions, they don't sell direct they just have a bunch of places they sell to that you can order from online.
The batteries were all on order from China and no one had one to sell me 2 weeks prior to my departure date?!


Here was the solution a 266 watt Hour Owell cpap battery (4 pounds) from BestCPAPprice.com 888-346-CPAP they were cool and explained they had worked a long time with the former husband wife of Battery power solutions and they were tired of waiting for them to get it together all the time so they just went and figured out the company in China where they were getting the Lithium Ion CPAP batteries and ordered direct from them Owell battery in China even the web sites English is a little broken.
So anyway they have the same battery about $100 - $150 cheaper than the other vendors that I had been ready to buy from first.

Didn't take long and the battery was at my door.
A day earlier the Amazon.com company that I ordered my 225 Watt inverter from had delivered no problem.

The skiny there is that ResMed god bless them has the great S9 looks like a clock radio not a big clunk of medical equipment next to my bed. But they haven't come out with a way to go from battery to machine. So you have to have a 110 v outlet in your tent or home to plug the S9 into.
A battery inverter takes the 12 volt battery amps it up to a 110 v and you can plug right into it just like at home, even if you are in a tent or sleeping as I found was necessary more than once in my car -a 2005 VolksWagen TDi Beetle !

Ok so it works great you can plug the inverter into the car cigarette lighter (does anyone still use that for that?) and then do a 110v recharge in about 4-5 hours of the battery.
Then at night you just switch it so the 12 v cigarette charger adapter goes into the battery and the ResMed S9 plugs right into the 225w Inverter just like your homes outlets.

The inverter takes away about half battery life as it ramps up the 12v to 110v so the run time was just almost 6 hours every night.
And you will wake up when you cpap stops and the battery warning beeper goes off !!!
Was it perfect no, but was it enough to get me the deep sleep I needed to drive and drive and drive, YES. Touchdown.
Maybe ResMed will release the promised cord that connects it to a 12 v by next summer and all will be well for 8+ hours a night.

Hard to follow but a picture is worth a thousand words so I will attach the pictures.

Image

Uploaded with ImageShack.us This is the system ready to go on my front seat.
Image The battery.
Image The Inverter.

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

Now the laughable parts.
Two nights out of 58 I was sleeping in my car in a well lit parking lot seat back very tinted windows sound asleep thanks to my CPAP.
Nothing like waking up to a loud 3 raps on my driver side window and the words " Hello this is the Police !!!"
The first fellow a Canadian didn't say anything about the CPAP as it was off and under a blanket by the time I was sitting up and had my window down.
He ran my license realized I was harmless and let me go back to sleep.

The Crecent City California officers first words were "Do you always sleep with an Oxygen mask on ?"
I was still half asleep as I stammered it is a CPAP machine, you know what that is right?
Of course he said no what?
In my half asleep condition I couldn't remember what the heck CPAP stood for ( my thought was something like C pressure AP ???)
so I just said "It keeps you blown up."
He informed me that camping was against the city ordinance but I could go back to sleep for a couple hours and move along he didn't really have a problem with that.

I hope that this helps someone out there get out of the house and out in the great big beautiful outdoors with peace of mind that they will sleep well.
Footnotes:
*I didn't do the humidifier since the Climate Line and humidifier are big time energy vampires.
*If you are not on a heated climate line and the temperature in the town of Banff in the Canadian Rockies falls to zero C you may wake up with very cold teeth.
*Ear Pluggs are fantastic cheap ways to ensure not waking up to random noises, trains, babies, or your battery alarm.
*A 25 pound Deep Cycle Marine Battery has great big heavy lead plates so that it can do a deep discharge and suffer no ill effects, although I am not going to hike or camp with it unless I was say on a boat!
* Your normal car battery has thin lead plates and a lead don't know what but I read it is similar to a sponge with lots of poors so that you get a strong flash of power to start your engine, if you deep discharge this type of battery often this stuff crumbles down to the bottom of the battery and it don't work so good anymore.....( at least thats what I read.)
Thanks Johnny, this is really a helpful post. For people who loves camping sometimes they don't know how they'll be able to do that, you know...a lot of worries about CPAP. I'm really thankful I've read this as well, a must read indeed.

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Re: Camping out with a CPAP in a tent or in a Car.

Post by IndyDave » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:49 am

Thanks, that was really useful information as I am thinking about a single solution travel and power outage backup. But I'm extremely jealous!! I've wanted to take a trip like yours ever since reading Steinbeck's "Travels with Charley". Given it was California, you're lucky they didn't think it was some sort of gas mask!

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Post by Issac » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:27 am

Can I ask the cost of everything (minus the resmed s9) and could it all work with Respironics ?

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Post by W7SOT » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:12 pm

The way I am in the process of getting set-up is to get a deep cycle battery, install a cigaret lighter socket on it - then I can plug in the 12V converter from resmed, and then to the machine - I have the batteries, so it would cost me right around $90 for the converter.

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Re: Camping out with a CPAP in a tent or in a Car.

Post by janey jan » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:01 am

How did the camping go....it was a glorious weekend on the mainland, how abut over there on Anglesey? JP could have done better at Oulton but for a few technical issues with the supplied TOCA standard parts, but hoping things improve for the team at Croft, which sadly I am going to miss with MG Live running the same weekend.....better planning needed for next year maybe!!