Reviews of new AirFit P10 Resmed nasal pillow mask thread

[Pugsy]

Any experience re how long the nasal pillows last before need to replace?

I don't think that it has been released long enough to get much of an idea on replacement time. I think it came out in mid January or so. Typically I always got months of use out of the Swift FX nasal pillows so I would be surprised if I didn't/couldn't get the same with these. I always seem to get lots of life out of nasal pillows. With my Tap Pap I got the first of March last year...I am still using the same nasal pillows and was until the recent last month since I have been using the P10. They look horrid but still seal without any effort.

Since the P10 seems to be constructed along the lines of the Swift FX I would suspect that it would be similar to Swift FX life.
Probably another one of those YMMV things.

I only have about 5 weeks on the P10...so far they look, feel and seal like new.

[NYcpap]

The pressure seems higher on the Airfit, especially on exhalation. I've developed tinnitus since switching from Swift. I'm thinking it may be related to the mask. For now, I'm switching back to the Swift to see if things improve. I'm not sure why the pressure seems higher as it should be regulated by the machine. I've noticed that condensate collects in the fine mesh which could also be problematic. Please share your experiences if similar.

[Stormynights]

There are so many ways to measure this so when I measure from the little plastic part that says Resmed on the opposite side where it says Airfit pro it is about 20 inches. Mine is the pinky purple and gray.

[Pugsy]

There are so many ways to measure this so when I measure from the little plastic part that says Resmed on the opposite side where it says Airfit pro it is about 20 inches. Mine is the pinky purple and gray.

That's about what I got when measuring the sides and the part that goes over the top of the head
5 inches on each side so that's 10 inches and 9 inches for the skinny strap part where the 2 straps diverge.
So 19 inches or so.
Wish I had thought to measure before using it. It seems to have stretched ever so little because it doesn't seem as snug on my face...but I might be just imagining it. Remember I was coming from nothing on my face with the TapPap for nearly a year to headgear and stuff on my face again...so maybe it was just part of normal adjusting back to having stuff on my face again.
If it has stretched out...it isn't much. I am not real gentle with putting it on and taking it off either.

Anyone got the blue headgear to measure to see if it is any larger than 19 or 20 inches from side to side?

[skram]

As luck would have it, I have mine with me as I was supposed to return it to the sleep centre an hour ago, but my appointment got rescheduled to next week.

I just took the strap off the frame and measured it. It is 20 inches.

Edit: This is the blue/gray headgear.

[Pugsy]

I just took the strap off the frame and measured it. It is 20 inches.

That would be the blue one I assume? If so, then the headgear is probably universal in size and the only difference between the for Her package and the regular package would be the sizes of nasal pillows supplied in each package.

[skram]

Oops, that's correct Pugsy, I had meant to include that.

[Stormynights]

I probably stretched my headgear. My hair is very long (about waist length or more). I used to have to wear it in a pony tail braided but now with the P10 I can braid it lower without banding it before braiding. My hair adds to my head size.

[Pugsy]

My measurements might be off a tiny bit too...I had to use a lumber type of tape measure and between it not being very flexible and the headgear being too flexible...it probably wasn't exactly spot on measurement. Also my starting point at the bend might not be where someone else would start.
I do think it is likely close enough that we can say that the pink/gray and blue headgear are universal size. It's for sure not like the blue is 2 inches bigger or anything like that.

[Grumpy2Sleepy]

I've been trialing the AIrFit P10 since Feb 23. The tech had me start with the small pillows and I found the airflow just too intense, and I had difficulties gettine enough air at ramping, and exhaling after ramping was over. I felt like I was fighting the incoming air to much when I tried to exhale. I switched to the medium pillows and that immediately made things better. I still get a good seal and virtually little to no leaks.

The mask is very quiet, and I have no problems with comfort (being a side sleeper). Whether I adjusted it tight or loose the seal stays good and the mask stays in place. I wonder if the quieter vents actually make a bit harder to exhale, but since this is my first mask I have no personal comparison. I wonder about how long the straps will last over time.

I think the pros (quietness, minimal size, comfort etc) will out-weigh any of the minor cons. Given how the masks have improved over the years, I'm sure ResMed and other manufacturers will learn from this mask and make even further improvements.

[Pugsy]

Someone had commented on using the P10 and waking up and a nostril was totally blocked....I can't find that post to comment directly so I will add something here. I don't remember who said it and it may be older than page 1 and 2 where I looked.

Initially I had said that I had not experience that little annoyance...now this is totally related to the nasal pillow and not nasal congestion.

I had it happen the other night a couple of times. One nostril was so occluded that I might as well have my finger up my nose and upon quick removal and reseating of the nasal pillow it opened up totally. I couldn't duplicate it to figure out what the cause might be until last night. I had been using the Small nasal pillows and last night I went to the XSmall and I had that blocked thing happen more than once and the last one was when I was waking up normally.
It seems to be caused by (for me) a rather bigger than usual inhale and the nasal pillows sealing too well and it creates a vacuum with the big inhale and the nostril wall itself collapses. Gets sucked inward..I could feel it happen while awake. I was able to duplicate the annoyance repeatedly by playing with the force of my inhale.

So I suggest that if someone is having this happen often...just move up a size in nasal pillow. With the small nasal pillow I have to REALLLLY inhale big to have it happen but with the XSmall it doesn't take near as much inhale and I had it happen repeatedly last night. It's just a combination of a really good seal and a bigger than usual inhale causing a vacuum like effect and the nostril wall collapse around the nasal pillow cone and effectively shuts off the air flow from the cone.

Who would have thought that a seal could be "too good"

Hopefully the person who had this issue will read this...or if someone remembers who it was maybe they could point me to that thread.

[skram]

Hi Pugsy, that was me!

Thanks for the information (and research). I did find that moving up to the Large pillow seemed to alleviate the issue (though I didn't really know why). However, I also found that the large pillow didn't stay seated/sealed as well and would often wake up to adjust it. Although I didn't always remember that I had - but my wife did!

It was a little weird for me. I'll have to try out what you did to see for sure (the P10 was supposed to back yesterday, but the Sleep Clinic rescheduled my appointment for Monday), but I think it was different for me. When using the medium pillows, the side with the congestion would have just be blocked completely and it may have been due to the collapse you mention. I then found that the other side was much harder to inhale/exhale and would whistle during exhale. At times I would also feel air between the outside of the cone and the nostril - as if it was trying to get out through the seal. This would keep me awake and I would worry that my wife would be kept awake by the whistling - although after asking her, she didn't hear it. I couldn't get it to feel clear even when removing and reseating the pillows. I would fine that I would have to switch to the Large or switch masks. I would still feel the congestion, but I could at least breathe quietly through the one side.

I've decided to stay with the Pilairo Q as all it doesn't have that issue and the only pros from the P10 that it doesn't have, I can live with - that is, not quite as light and the longer 'short' hose. It is very light and has a swivel on the short hose, so that's fine. It does have the added benefit that I like its single strap headgear better.

[Pugsy]

I would still feel the congestion, but I could at least breathe quietly through the one side.

If there is some congestion after reseating the nasal pillows perhaps you were also having some of that positional congestion we get at times.. You know when the side of the nose that is down gets congested a bit and the side that is up is clear.
I get that fairly often and just turn over to the other side to relieve it.

What I experienced this morning wasn't that positional congestion though. It was for sure the nostril wall collapsing. Weird, as I have never had that happen before but I was fully awake when I did my experiments and the collapse felt so pronounced that if I had a mirror I bet I could see it.

Glad the Pilairo works well for you. It's a nice mask. I tried it and while I could use it successfully the nasal pillow itself being so large was an annoyance to me. Remember I am the "less on my face" girl. Vent noise was much noticeable too. Of course that issue has been remedied with the new Q model I believe...I tried the first version.

Different strokes for different folks when it comes to masks and the "best" one is the one that works well for the individual and not necessarily the rest of us. I do like to try new stuff though. Takes the boredom out of this therapy and sometimes I get some pleasant surprises.

[skram]

I had tested the older Pilairo version (along with others) when I was on my trial and then got the Q version when I purchased the machine. It is almost the same, except for the filter over the vent. I had found that the vent was loud and strong - one night my wife asked me to turn as she thought the wind would give her an earache. With the Q, you can hardly hear or feel anything. You need to almost be touching the filter to tell it's on - just like the P10.

Since I now still have the P10 until Monday, I think I'll try some experimenting based on your experience.

[sleepyJen]

Well, I ordered the Airfit P10 for her and have used it for the past 3 nights - so far, I think I like my Swift FX better (which is not the for her version). I find the P10 to have a more snug fit on my face - I'm more aware of it than I was the FX. I don't miss the cold blast of air coming form the FX but I feel more air with the P10 - I don't know if it's leaking or not as my numbers seem the same and I don't hear any leaks, but I can feel cool air under my nose (if that makes sense). It's really irritating - like a constant little fan under my nose. But no adjustments make it better. (I'm using the medium pillows, which is what I used with the FX) The first two nights my husband said he couldn't hear the mask at all - last night he said he had to wake me up several times because he could hear the mask making noise (I don't remember this). I just know that I'm not sleeping as well With only 2 months under my belt, I'm not experienced enough to get what is going on or what I might be doing wrong. One thing that I wonder (which may seem funny) is if my head is too big for this mask - I have a huge head (seriously - my whole family is like this) There isn't a woman's hat that fits me and most men's hats would be a tight fit. On top of that (literally ) I have extremely thick hair.

Anyway, I'm on the fence as to whether I should keep trying - I really, really wanted this mask to work out.