Fully Data Capable Machines

engrdad · Post by **engrdad** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:35 am

Does someone have a list of the machines that are fully data capable? Or can point me in the right direction of where I can find this. Even if only for the major brands. Thanks....

cflame1 · Post by **cflame1** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:39 am

Not sure about the PB ones... the F&P don't have data.

This is just the standard machines.

Respironics:
M series Pro
Pro2 (not M series)
M series Auto (CFLEX or AFLEX)
Auto (not M series)

Resmed:
Elite
Autoset Vantage

engrdad · Post by **engrdad** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:48 am

Thanks, cflame1.

So, guess I should stay away from the 'plus' brand of respironics.

Notice you use the hybrid mask with nasal pillows. How it that working out for you? I had my CPAP titration study last night and ask the tech to show me all thier masks. She stated that she had never used the hybrid on any patients and did not know how well it worked.

sleepycarol · Post by **sleepycarol** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:10 am

Be sure and read a number of threads as there are several that tells which brands are data capable and the options they offer. Rested Gal has written some good posts on this subject.

A Respronics or Remstar Plus model does not offer data capablilties -- it does offer compliance data and so don't let the DME snow you with "it has a smart card and offers valuable data".

I use a M series APAP and love it -- as much as you can love a cpap . Mine has the c-flex and not the A-Flex technology and I get along with just the c-flex but most recommend the a-flex feature.

The APAP I have is fully data capable.

I am sure others will offer other valuable suggestions.

ozij · Post by **ozij** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:31 am

Hey, wait a minute!!!

The PB ones:

Puritan Bennett 420E - an automatic machine

Puritan Bennett 420S - a straight cpap.

You need Software to read the data on those - they don't have a data report LCD, but they're both full data capable.

O.

Gerald · Post by **Gerald** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:54 am

Dad....

For a few dollars more, you can get the Respironics "M" series AFLEX. It can operate in (3) different modes: straight CPAP, AUTO-CPAP with CFLEX, or AUTO-CPAP with AFLEX. As you gain experience, you can set the machine to whatever mode suits you the best.

Using EncorePro Viewer, you can get the data you need when using the machine mentioned above ....but, James Skinner's Analyzer software won't work with it. If you score a copy of EncorePro 1.8 (clinical software not supposed to be available to mere mortals like us), Skinner's Analyzer (VERY valuable) will work.

I favor Respironics because they haven't raised their prices to the Internet vendors like cpap.com (where I buy all my gear).

Gerald

ozij · Post by **ozij** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:03 am

And the Respironics Bi-pap auto has far more data that the PB 425 (a PB bi-level whose data capability leaves much to be desired).

Ouch. After writing cpap so many time it took about 5 repeats to write capability... kept getting cpapbility

O.

cflame1 · Post by **cflame1** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:19 pm

I love my Hybrid... it's the mask that i've kept with for well over a year now. There are certain times that I can't wear it or any nasal pillow mask (when the end of my nose is sore), but other than that it's been my go to mask since I got it. I've got it wrapped up in padacheeks... so it's very comfy.

Yeah I'd stay away from the Plus

Hey ozji... I didn't know the answers for PB... just like I said, I knew that they had data, just didn't know which ones were fully data capable. Figured somebody would be along that did.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:35 pm

ozij wrote:And the Respironics Bi-pap auto has far more data...

Ozi - what kind of data are we talking bout here? I may end up with a bi-pap 1 day.

ozij · Post by **ozij** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:57 am

The PB bi level machine (the 425) has no data on apneas hypopneas snores or flow limitations. Respironics gives you everything you get from the company's other fully data capable machines.
O.

rested gal · Post by **rested gal** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:40 am

ozij wrote:Ouch. After writing cpap so many time it took about 5 repeats to write capability... kept getting cpapbility

LOL!! Well, you have as much "cpapbility" as anyone I can think of, O.

sleepycarol wrote:A Respronics or Remstar Plus model does not offer data capablilties -- it does offer compliance data and so don't let the DME snow you with "it has a smart card and offers valuable data".

Carol's right.

engrdad wrote:So, guess I should stay away from the 'plus' brand of respironics.

Correct. If you want full data, the Plus can't give it.

cflame1 wrote:Yeah I'd stay away from the Plus

I agree (if a person wants full data from the machine.)

If people are looking at a resmed machine and want full data, they should stay away from the "Escape" and the "Compact." In Puritan Bennett machines, the "420G" cannot give full data. And as cflame1 said, there isn't any Fisher & Paykel machine that gives full data at this time.

Lest anyone who has a machine that was on the "avoid" list feels 2nd class, this will make you happy....

Most people can get perfectly good treatment from a simple cpap machine. It's also possible tweak your treatment pressure with no software and without even any LCD data. It's easier to decide what to do if you have the software to see detailed data, but it can be done without any machine feedback at all, as this study showed:

Can Patients with Obstructive Sleep Apnea Titrate Their
Own Continuous Positive Airway Pressure?
http://ajrccm.atsjournals.org/cgi/conte ... /167/5/716

Menu on the upper right of that page also has a PDF version of the study.

ozij · Post by **ozij** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:54 am

rested gal wrote:
ozij wrote:Ouch. After writing cpap so many time it took about 5 repeats to write capability... kept getting cpapbility
LOL!! Well, you have as much "cpapbility" as anyone I can think of, O.

Thanks, Rested Gal...

O.

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