How do you use your Neilmed?

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Post by Snoredog » Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:05 pm

marymoon wrote:Well, I have dental implants and every time I do a nasal rinse, I have to brace myself for the very extremely icky, uncomfortable feeling that comes over me and the implants as the water enters the sinuses. The feeling subsides after a few moments, but I dread it every time.

When it first started I thought my implants had perforated the sinus cavity, but my ENT said everything looked fine. He explained that there is a very thin membrane lining the bottom of the maxillary sinus cavity and teeth/implants can be very sensitive to nasal rinses.

I guess you're just one of the lucky ones, like me!
Many times they have to perform a sinus lift to insert implants in the maxillary, that is because the bone is much less dense than the mandible. Because the bone is less dense, they are more prone to fail.

You need to see your oral surgeon ASAP for a panoramic x-ray to examine the state of your implants, sounds like you may have a failing/failed implant. They give no warning before they fail as there is no nerves to warn you of the event, they just fail as your bone/body rejects them. Your dentist can give you a bite wing x-ray which actually shows greater detail.

Your surgeon would be able to rule out any problems with the implants from the panoramic x-ray.
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Post by marymoon » Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:02 am

Snoredog wrote: Many times they have to perform a sinus lift to insert implants in the maxillary, that is because the bone is much less dense than the mandible. Because the bone is less dense, they are more prone to fail.

You need to see your oral surgeon ASAP for a panoramic x-ray to examine the state of your implants, sounds like you may have a failing/failed implant. They give no warning before they fail as there is no nerves to warn you of the event, they just fail as your bone/body rejects them. Your dentist can give you a bite wing x-ray which actually shows greater detail.

Your surgeon would be able to rule out any problems with the implants from the panoramic x-ray.
I appreciate the feedback and sugestions, Snoredog. I DID have a sinus life back in 2001 when the implants were first placed. I'm still in the process of finishing up all my dental work and I've had probably 3 panoramic x-rays + a CAT scan in the last 3 months. Everything looks great according to both my ENT and implant dentist. ENT explained that some people are just more sensitive to sinus pressure changes.

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Post by snork1 » Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:51 pm

Snoredog wrote:I make my own using RO water, fill the glass, put in the salt and pinch of baking soda, stick it in the microwave and nuke it for 30 seconds, squirt half in one nostril with head over the sink (helps to tilt your head back so it gets in deep), then use the rest on the other nostril blow my nose afterward. The aerosol cans like SimplySaline are okay for moistening the nares they don't flush anything out, that is the object behind this to flush out smog, dust, allergens that lead to nasal inflammation and allergies.

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Ditto, except I just use warm tap water instead of the microwave.
Twice a day.
Hang head down, then swoop up a few times to drain well.
Keeping it cheap and easy means I continue to do it.

It works MIRACLES for keeping down allergies and colds.
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Post by KarenL » Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:55 pm

Thanks marymoon for sharing your story. At least I know that I am not the only one feeling that weird sensation and that it is still okay.

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Post by Binary Worrier » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:06 am

Guest wrote:I really can't figure out why anyone wouldn't use straight tap water. You DRINK IT, don't you? If you don't, then I understand. I'm coating the inside of my body with tap water several times a day, so I don't mind coating the inside of my nasal passages.

I guess I'm lucky and have decent tap water.

It's not like the minerals are going to build up and cause lime scale, like they would in your humidfier...

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Dude, because the first thing the water hits in your body is enough hydrochloric acid to med a hole in your carpet.
You nose is one of your first lines of defense, it cleans bad things out of the AIR before they get to your lungs. It's poorly equipted to deal with water.

When you use tap water, you're sending all types of bacteria and amoeba straight past your noses normal defenses and directly into your Sinuses, which is what you're trying to wash out. Your Sinuses are a perfect breeding ground for all those nasties.

Really dude, boil the water first, I'm quite happy to drink our local water, it's quite good, but in a million frickin years I'm not going to squirt it directly into my sinuses . . . yes the salts will help kill off anything in the water, but I'm not going to take that chance.

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Re: Sinus lift and Neil med sinus rinse

Post by SleepySunflower » Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:34 pm

marymoon wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:02 am
Snoredog wrote: Many times they have to perform a sinus lift to insert implants in the maxillary, that is because the bone is much less dense than the mandible. Because the bone is less dense, they are more prone to fail.

You need to see your oral surgeon ASAP for a panoramic x-ray to examine the state of your implants, sounds like you may have a failing/failed implant. They give no warning before they fail as there is no nerves to warn you of the event, they just fail as your bone/body rejects them. Your dentist can give you a bite wing x-ray which actually shows greater detail.

Your surgeon would be able to rule out any problems with the implants from the panoramic x-ray.
I appreciate the feedback and sugestions, Snoredog. I DID have a sinus life back in 2001 when the implants were first placed. I'm still in the process of finishing up all my dental work and I've had probably 3 panoramic x-rays + a CAT scan in the last 3 months. Everything looks great according to both my ENT and implant dentist. ENT explained that some people are just more sensitive to sinus pressure changes.
I’m having a sinus lift soon. Is it okay to use the sinus rinse while recovering from that surgery, especially since I’ll have to temporarily stop using cpap?

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Re: How do you use your Neilmed?

Post by Goofproof » Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:33 pm

I'd ask my doctor, instead of counting of replies from people that haven't been here in a decade or two. (One of the hazzards of playing in the dead zone). I'd think real hard before I'd let any knife happy doctor, do anything that would stop me from using XPAP, even for a few days. Jim
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Re: Sinus lift and Neil med sinus rinse

Post by SummerTime » Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:06 pm

SleepySunflower wrote:
Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:34 pm
I’m having a sinus lift soon. Is it okay to use the sinus rinse while recovering from that surgery, especially since I’ll have to temporarily stop using cpap?
It's best to speak to your doctor about this. None of us are doctors. I hope you've received a second opinion on this procedure.

Best of luck.
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Re: How do you use your Neilmed?

Post by lc96 » Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:52 pm

This is why you don’t use tap water:
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne ... e-repeats/

You see the story on CBS and several other legit news sources.

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Re: How do you use your Neilmed?

Post by palerider » Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:03 pm

lc96 wrote:
Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:52 pm
This is why you don’t use tap water:
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne ... e-repeats/

You see the story on CBS and several other legit news sources.
IF you don't have 'city treated water'.
Amoebas may be found in fresh-water sources around Puget Sound such as wells, but aren’t present in city-treated water, according to Liz Coleman, a spokeswoman for the Environmental Public Health division of the state’s Department of Health.
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Re: How do you use your Neilmed?

Post by lc96 » Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:14 pm

She was using tap water. Tap water in Seattle is treated. An internet search shows many other instances of these amoeba in tap water. Two different healthcare providers have also emphasized to me that only distilled water should be put up into sinus cavities.

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Re: How do you use your Neilmed?

Post by palerider » Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:31 pm

lc96 wrote:
Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:14 pm
She was using tap water. Tap water in Seattle is treated. An internet search shows many other instances of these amoeba in tap water. Two different healthcare providers have also emphasized to me that only distilled water should be put up into sinus cavities.
She was using "tap water" it does not say that she was using *city tap water*.

Many different "healthcare providers" emphasize all sorts of bullshit about CPAP use too.
The researchers weren’t able to test the woman’s tap water,
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Re: How do you use your Neilmed?

Post by SleepGeek » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:55 am

Then there are those who will argue about using distilled water - Darwin welcomes them.
99cents/gal is pretty cheap insurance.
Although the risk of infection to the brain is extremely low, people who use neti pots or other nasal-irrigation devices can nearly eliminate it by following directions printed on the devices, including using only saline or sterilized water, Maree said.
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Re: Sinus lift and Neil med sinus rinse

Post by SleepySunflower » Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:59 pm

SummerTime wrote:
Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:06 pm
SleepySunflower wrote:
Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:34 pm
I’m having a sinus lift soon. Is it okay to use the sinus rinse while recovering from that surgery, especially since I’ll have to temporarily stop using cpap?
It's best to speak to your doctor about this. None of us are doctors. I hope you've received a second opinion on this procedure.

Best of luck.
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