Continued use of recalled Philips Dreamstation BiPAP AVAPS machine

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Continued use of recalled Philips Dreamstation BiPAP AVAPS machine

Post by Zaiforce » Sat Mar 02, 2024 6:44 pm

Hi there,

Firstly, I apologise for the length of this post, but I will try to add as much info/context as necessary.

Secondly, I apologise to anyone who has already read this from me in another thread, it was just pointed out by a fellow forum member that I should post this in it's own thread as my question was included inside a mask cleaning thread that may not draw much attention.

The "too long didn't read" summary of my question is as follows:

My mother is currently using a Philips Dreamstation BiPAP AVAPS machine (manufactured in the USA in 2019) that she has on loan from a local hospital to treat previously undiagnosed severe sleep aponea and obesity hypoventilation syndrome.

She has been using this machine for approx. 4 months now and it wasn't until late last week that a fellow forum member noticed me mentioning the machine in another thread and advised me of the recall and issues with this machine.

I contacted the hospital and they were not aware of the recall and have since checked the machine serial number, realised it was affected and have registered the device and initiated the replacement process, but this could take some time.

Since finding out the news about the recall and possible health issues caused by the breaking down of the foam etc. in these machines both my mother and I have become extremely worried and anxious about using it, if it wasn't so important to her health she would stop using it right now, but due to how severe her condition is we don't feel comfortable ceasing use of it until we receive a replacement machine (will explain more further on about her condition).


Now for the more in-depth details for those that wish to know:

Back in June last year my mother who is 69 years old was involved in a serious car accident which caused her some horrific leg injuries requiring many surgeries and quite some time in the ICU, 10 days of which were spent on a ventilator.

In total, she spent over 6 months in hospital before finally completing her rehab and coming home.

Along with her severe leg injuries, she also suffered a bruised lung, fractured C7 vertebrae in her spine and It was also pointed out while she was in ICU that the accident caused damage to her diaphragm which was causing her liver to push higher than it should, putting pressure on her lower lungs and therefore she was instructed to sleep in a slightly elevated position.

After initially making it out of ICU and beginning her recovery in the regular hospital wards she started having issues with respiratory failure, requiring re-admission to ICU an additional 3 times (including emergency helicopter flights etc. back to the major hospital that has the ICU unit).

Each of the 3 times in the days/weeks leading up to her respiratory failure she would experience hypoxemia, barely having oxygen levels around 86% during the day and waking up of a morning with blue fingertips and blue lips etc. and each time she recorded extremely high levels of Co2 in her blood (during the most recent ICU visit her Co2 level was up to 114, which one of the ICU nurses said was the highest she has ever seen).

Each of the 3 times in ICU they treated her with a BiPAP machine and after 4 to 5 days her Co2 levels returned to a safe level and she was released back to the regular hospital environment to continue her recovery and rehab from the car accident, however we were advised she would always have a higher Co2 level than a regular person (I am guessing this is chronic hypercapnia?).

During the time of these 3 respiratory failure events (which would happen usually 2 to 4 weeks apart after returning from ICU), our local hospital organised an in hospital sleep test for her.

Unfortunately, due to her severe leg injuries, getting her to a proper sleep centre for a proper in-depth sleep test was not possible, so the hospital used a kit from a local pharmacy to conduct the test.

The test showed that she had severe sleep disordered breathing and the doctor at the hospital said it was the worst reading he had ever seen from a sleep test, these are some of the results:
Test device: Philips Alice NightOne
Monitoring Time: 660.7 mins
Sleep time: 603.2 mins
REI (A+H): 48.2
ODI (>3% desat/hr): 48.5

Spo2:
Wake: 73%
Min: 53%
Max: 82%
Mean: 69%

Duration / % time where Spo2 <90%: 654.3mins (99%)
Duration / %time where Spo2 <80%: 639.9mins (96.9%)
CAI: 0.1 (3.89% of REI)

Respiratory Events:
Obstructive Apnoeas: 43 Total Events, mean duration: 19.4 sec, max duration: 64.0 sec
Hypopnoeas: 441 Total Events, mean duration: 18.3 sec, max duration: 95.5 sec
RERAs: 55 Total Events, mean duration: 21.6 sec, max duration: 50.0 sec
Central Aponeas: 1 Total Events, mean duration: 18.0 sec, max duration: 18.0 sec
Mixed Aponeas: No Events
Sleep time in position: 603.20
REI in position (incl RERAs): 53.81

Physicians impression: The data represents severe sleep disordered breathing with severe hypoxemia with severe obstructive sleep aponea. APAP may be inadequate and should not be deployed unless specifically prescribed and supervised by a physician. Urgent sleep physician review mandatory.
During her hospital stay, the doctor also had an echo-cardiogram carried out on her heart as a result of her having a lot of fluid retention and as a result of that it was mentioned to us that she has some heart failure as a result of the bottom of her heart not relaxing enough as it should, but we were advised that could fix itself once she recovers and becomes active again.

Along with all this, we were advised that she likely has COPD and possible Emphysema which were previously undiagnosed before her accident (She was previously a long time smoker of approx. 40 years, giving up approx. 1 year ago), she has been placed on a long acting daily puffer to treat this.

Now that you have some history, I will get to the crux of my question:

My mother was given the loan Philips Dreamstation BiPAP AVAPS machine from the hospital after her 3rd respiratory failure ICU visit to treat her severe sleep aponea and obesity hypoventilation syndrome and provide her with ventilation to prevent Co2 from building up to dangerous levels in her blood.

So far it has been working amazingly for her, she has been using it for the past approx. 4 months and if I test her Spo2 levels with a pulse oximeter during the night it is always in the low to mid 90s, almost normal levels which is amazing compared to what it was without the machine.

We have also been able to tell the incredible difference it has made to her in daily life, no more slurry speech or blue lips/fingers, her daily oxygen saturations are usually always 90-93% now, compared to being in the mid 80s often prior to getting the machine.

The issue is, we have just recently discovered that her loan machine is one of the models that were recalled back in 2021, we have only just been made aware of the recall recently by another forum member, both my mother and I and the hospital staff had no idea about it.

As I mentioned at the start of the post, after informing the hospital staff about the recall they have now registered the device and started the process to have it replaced, but that could take quite some time.

So why not just use a script to get another machine for her now you ask? Well her situation has made that difficult...

Since these sleep issues were previously undiagnosed and only diagnosed while hospitalised and due to the injuries sustained in her car accident, she hasn't been able to get a proper diagnosis for them yet, she was told she would need to follow up with a respiratory specialist once she became an outpatient and once that happens they would arrange for her to receive her own BiPAP machine (which will be a ResMed model we have been told).

Since she has only just made it out of hospital recently, she hasn't been able to see the respiratory specialist yet to receive proper lung function testing or attend a sleep clinic for a proper sleep test etc. and thus she doesn't actually have a script etc. for a machine, she only has the loan machine set-up for her by the hospital.

We have an appointment with a respiratory specialist late this month but that is still weeks away and both my mother and I are extremely worried and anxious about continuing to use this affected Philips machine until then, however we are also too afraid to stop using it since it is so vital for her health.

I have done some visual inspections and I have not noticed any black coloured particles in the water tray of her machine (a lot of regular looking dust particles, but no black particles that I have noticed) and upon inspecting the tubing and her mask I have not noticed any black particles either, however I have only known about the issue and paid attention to this for a couple of days.

What I did find was a lot of black dust-looking particles on the table behind her machine, but I really don't know if they are fragments of foam from the machine or just co-incidental regular dust.

I have also noticed some of these black dust-looking particles inside the humidifier tray of her machine (not as many as on the table), but again I am not sure if they are foam particles or just regular dust.

We clean her humidifier water tray, mask & mask tubing weekly using water and a fragrance-free soap, and I wipe down her mask daily with ResMed mask wipes, however we have never cleaned inside the humidifier compartment under or around the water tray, so the small black particles found in there may just be old dust.

We have never used an Ozone cleaner or UV cleaner on the device, however I cannot speak for those that had the machine before us since it is a loan device after all.

We live on the east coast of Australia and it has been extremely hot and humid here, which I understand is not good for the foam breakdown issue, but unfortunately that is unavoidable and her room is not air-conditioned.

Below is a picture of the black dust-like particles I found on the table behind her BiPAP machine:

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As a test, I cleaned off the black particles from the table last night prior to her using the machine, then checked the area again this morning after a night's use, there did not seem to be any new particles in the area, which I take as a hopeful good sign.

One thing I have noticed (and have noticed for a long time) is that of a morning the remaining water in the water tray of the machine appears to have a thin film on-top of it, like a film you'd expect to see from a chemical or something, it can be difficult to see unless you have the light on it correctly but it is quite noticeable, it is not rainbow coloured like fuel or oil in water, it is just like a grey'ish splotchy looking film.

The prevalence of the film substance on the water is not overly consistent, it seems to mostly always be there after a night's use of the machine, but sometimes it appears worse than others, for example this morning it was not as bad as a couple of days ago.

The water we use in the humidifier water tray is bottled distilled water, and it looks perfectly clean before use, the film only appears on it after the machine has been used, but like I said it isn't super noticeable, at a quick glance you probably wouldn't see it unless you were specifically looking for it and have the light on it correctly, at which point it is clearly visible.

I have no idea if that film on the water is related to the foam breakdown issue these machines were recalled for, but it just something I have noted.

She does not have a HEPA filter in her room, nor does she have any device that could be emitting chemicals into the air, and we do not use aerosol sprays in her room.

We change the air filter on her machine every 2 weeks, it has looked clean from what I remember since we have been changing it, however I remember the original filter that came with the machine when we received it was quite black/dirty.

The advice I am looking for is basically how dangerous is it for my mother to keep using this recalled Philips BiPAP machine until we can source her a ResMed model? As I suspect to have hurdles to jump through to secure the ResMed model given her unique situation of not having official diagnosis of her conditions yet.

Both my mother and I are extremely worried about her continuous use of this recalled machine, but the worry of her not using a machine given how much she needs it is just as bad, I am going to phone her respiratory specialist on Monday and see if there is any chance of an earlier appointment for her, and failing that I will try to see if the hospital team can organise a ResMed machine for us to just buy and pay for outright ASAP.

We are also both extremely worried also about the past 4 months she has been using this machine and what damage may have been caused to her.

I am incredibly sorry for such a long post, and if you managed to make your way through the whole thing, sincerely thank you!

Any advice would be greatly appreciated, I have probably left out some valuable information but with such a long post there was so much to remember to type! Please let me know if you have any questions that may help your advice.

Thank you all.

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Re: Continued use of recalled Philips Dreamstation machine

Post by SleepGeek » Sat Mar 02, 2024 7:49 pm

I will admit I didn't read everything but wanted to say...

I don't know where you are located or what kind of hospital she was at but any Dr. can write her a script. How about the doc who said this is the worse he's ever seen?

Whatever you get make sure it is an Auto-BiPap.
IF money is avail you should be able to pickup a used Resmed from Craigslist, FB Marketplace, or on this forum for a reasonable price and w/o a script.

HTH some.

ps. since the machine she is using was previously used in the hospital and who knows where else who knows what is inside that machine. But the fact remains someone at that hospital should have known about the recall.
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Re: Continued use of recalled Philips Dreamstation machine

Post by Pugsy » Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:22 pm

Zaiforce wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2024 6:44 pm
We live on the east coast of Australia
For those that didn't read the entire post or missed it...see above.

They don't have the same rules and/or regulations as we here in the US have.

As or OP's original question and concerns about using the recalled machine.

2 risks....
1.....the known obvious risk of not using any machine is pretty significant
2.....the maybe risk of using the recalled machine

I vote for continuing to use the machine because what happens when not used is much worse than the maybe risk.
Just my opinion.

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Re: Continued use of recalled Philips Dreamstation machine

Post by lazarus » Sat Mar 02, 2024 9:04 pm

I agree with Pugsy, as is true 99.999% of the time--although this statement by the OP does give me some pause:
Zaiforce wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2024 6:44 pm
. . . noticed some of these black dust-looking particles inside the humidifier tray of her machine . . .
I tend to evaluate the conflicting protocols of competing risks (such as risks of disease vs. risks of imperfect treatment) by consulting with local pros I trust who have personal data on me, when they can be found. But this situation with machine foam and its true significance for each patient's condition and circumstances is exceptional on many levels in that no one really has enough data to make a call based on pure scientific data, in my opinion. It becomes a gut call.

The extent of the significance of
. . . she likely has COPD and possible Emphysema . . . long time smoker of approx. 40 years, giving up approx. 1 year ago) . . . placed on a long acting daily puffer to treat this . . .
raises questions in my mind.

Personally, I would do whatever was necessary to get my hands on an appropriate ResMed machine to use--if at all possible, as soon as reasonably possible--were it me.

I wish you all the best in making the best informed decisions you can, given all the variables. But giving up on treating significant obstructions during sleep really isn't an option for long-term or short-term health for anyone, in my opinion as nothing more than a fellow patient.

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Re: Continued use of recalled Philips Dreamstation machine

Post by ozij » Sat Mar 02, 2024 9:36 pm

Pugsy wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:22 pm
Zaiforce wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2024 6:44 pm
We live on the east coast of Australia
For those that didn't read the entire post or missed it...see above.
See also:
My mother is currently using a Philips Dreamstation BiPAP AVAPS machine (manufactured in the USA in 2019) that she has on loan from a local hospital to treat previously undiagnosed severe sleep aponea and obesity hypoventilation syndrome.
I suggested in a PM that the OP edit the subject.

As or OP's ori(ginal question and concerns about using the recalled machine.
Pugsy wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:22 pm
2 risks....
1.....the known obvious risk of not using any machine is pretty significant
2.....the maybe risk of using the recalled machine

I vote for continuing to use the machine because what happens when not used is much worse than the maybe risk.
Just my opinion.
Mine too.

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Re: Continued use of recalled Philips Dreamstation machine

Post by ozij » Sat Mar 02, 2024 9:38 pm

ozij wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2024 9:36 pm
Pugsy wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:22 pm
Zaiforce wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2024 6:44 pm
We live on the east coast of Australia
For those that didn't read the entire post or missed it...see above.
See also:
My mother is currently using a Philips Dreamstation BiPAP AVAPS machine (manufactured in the USA in 2019) that she has on loan from a local hospital to treat previously undiagnosed severe sleep aponea and obesity hypoventilation syndrome.
I suggested in a PM that the OP edit the subject to add AVAPS

As or OP's ori(ginal question and concerns about using the recalled machine.
Pugsy wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:22 pm
2 risks....
1.....the known obvious risk of not using any machine is pretty significant
2.....the maybe risk of using the recalled machine

I vote for continuing to use the machine because what happens when not used is much worse than the maybe risk.
Just my opinion.
Mine too.

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Re: Continued use of recalled Philips Dreamstation machine

Post by robbob2112 » Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:45 pm

There is information in this that wasn't in the original thread that is concerning.

The COPD in particular can make treatment a challenge. It sounds like you are saying the left ventrical ejection fraction may also be low as well.

From the details in the report it would seem she has severe complex apnea.

Now, assuming any or most of that is correct the getting a titration study is very important. And make sure the prescribing dr is aware of everything. The reason I say this is some of those conditions mean different types of machines can be dangerous. For instance an ASV with a low ejection fraction is not supposed to be done.

I wouldn't run out and buy a replacement out of pocket. The reason I say this is because she could need one of 4 machines, all very expensive. If you buy the wrong one you might end with a different model.

All that said, I would get the inline filters I mentioned in the other thread and continue to use the machine you have until you get another. That should protect your mother until you get the new machine.

Please post the current settings your mother is using.

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Re: Continued use of recalled Philips Dreamstation BiPAP AVAPS machine

Post by Zaiforce » Sun Mar 03, 2024 1:16 am

Thank you for the replies everybody!

robbob2112, I am unsure specifically of the settings the hospital respiratory team used for mum's machine, but I believe the IPAP setting is 22 and the EPAP setting is 10, they did mention she needs quite high pressures.

When the machine is on, there is "ST" written on the screen (picture below)
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I will also say, when i have checked on her during the night, I notice that she still does "skip" breaths fairly regularly, sometimes she will go 30sec or so without breathing, the machine will push out an IPAP increase in pressure but her chest will not rise, then after 2, sometimes 3 or more missed breaths she will breathe in sync with it again and I see her chest rise and fall, and it will stay in sync with the machine for a while and then skip breaths again and repeat the process.

Sometimes she still does take very small breaths as well, but the machine kicks in and increases pressure even for the small tiny breaths.

I really don't understand most of this stuff, those are just observations I have made.

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Post by robbob2112 » Sun Mar 03, 2024 1:05 pm

You mother is on a non-invasive ventilator which is what the ST means. The pressure of 22 is quite high and is beyond the more common machines. This machine will also detect missed breaths and force one if she doesn't on her own. The detection period is also a shorter window than the standard bilevel. The other two settings listed that are set to 3 are humidity level and tube temperature.

If you go out and look for a resmed on your own you need to get the Aircurve 10 ST-A. Once you get it you can set the pressure to 22 or take it to the hospital and let them set it. As I mentioned in the other thread these machines are not in general use so finding one might be difficult. Do the rules there allow you to buy one from a DME (durable medical equipment) vendor without a prescription? Here in the US to buy one outright is about $3200.
Your mother really should have a titration study when she is able to dial things in but to set like for like is the best you can do in the meantime.

This is the link
https://support.resmed.com/en-us/sleep- ... -documents

There is an aircurve 11 series out as well, but I can't see where they have added ST functions to it yet. Before I would get one of those I would consult with someone to verify it will do what your mum needs.

I suspect in the end you will have to get her into the sleep Dr and get the study done and a machine issued through the government health program. Writting to resmed to get help obtaining one might not be a bad idea.

If you obtain an aircurve 10 ST-A I would go here and request the clinician's manual. It has detailed guides in it to the setup and self titration. Assuming it is similar to my ASV machine there is an Auto setting which will take care of the details and all you should have to set is the base pressure, maybe the backup rate. The ASV I use has most of the same functions except for the backup rate. Backup rate is the spacing between breaths and how long to wait before it kicks in to force the breath. The ST typically uses tighter tollerence on the sensors it uses to know what is going on.
https://www.apneaboard.com/adjust-cpap- ... tup-manual

Just realize the ST machines are way more complicated than the standard CPAP and a lot of the rules for those won't apply. So you should make sure you understand the advice and dig for why someone recommends a change.

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Re: Continued use of recalled Philips Dreamstation BiPAP AVAPS machine

Post by Zaiforce » Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:38 pm

Thank you so much for all that information robbob2112, I appreciate it so much!

Assuming it is the ResMed Aircurve 10 ST-A that they prescribe to her, would you happen to know if the Fisher & Paykel Evora full face mask would be compatible with it?

I looked at the compatible masks document on the link you provided but I did not see the Fisher & Paykel Evora mask on there, which is so far the only mask we have got to work well for my mother, but I guess we will just have to change mask if needed.

Thank you!

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Re: Continued use of recalled Philips Dreamstation machine

Post by SleepGeek » Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:44 pm

Pugsy wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:22 pm
Zaiforce wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2024 6:44 pm
We live on the east coast of Australia
For those that didn't read the entire post or missed it...see above.
They don't have the same rules and/or regulations as we here in the US have.
Oh my.
Mea Culpa.
How did I miss that?

I agree with using it until something better is found and also hope this is possible...
I wonder if you could try to negotiate with the hospital for a newer machine that hasn't been recalled.
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Post by robbob2112 » Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:55 pm

Pretty much all masks are interchangeable unless it is for one of the small portables. Even there all that is needed is an adapter.

Does your mother have a constant monitor for SpO2? If not you may want to consider an O2ring or similar device. It records her pulsox with a 2 second sample rate and 4 second average. The part that would be good is you can link it to a smartphone and have it buzz on her finger and alarm on the phone if her pulse goes low or if her SpO2 dips below a certain point.

I happen to wear an Evora at night currently

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Re: Continued use of recalled Philips Dreamstation BiPAP AVAPS machine

Post by Zaiforce » Mon Mar 04, 2024 4:53 pm

robbob2112 wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:55 pm
Pretty much all masks are interchangeable unless it is for one of the small portables. Even there all that is needed is an adapter.

Does your mother have a constant monitor for SpO2? If not you may want to consider an O2ring or similar device. It records her pulsox with a 2 second sample rate and 4 second average. The part that would be good is you can link it to a smartphone and have it buzz on her finger and alarm on the phone if her pulse goes low or if her SpO2 dips below a certain point.

I happen to wear an Evora at night currently
Thank you :)

My mother doesn't use a constant monitor for sp02 currently no.

After one of her visits to ICU the respiratory team were discussing the possibility of placing her on home oxygen therapy but after conducting a blood test they decided she didn't require it yet.

Due to her likely but not officially diagnosed COPD and her possible Emphysema along with her elevated Co2 levels they set her a safe Spo2 range target of 88% to 92%.

So far at home she has been doing well keeping in that range with her Spo2 usually 90-92% during the day, rarely hitting 88 or 89% but usually always 90%+

I expect there will be more blood gas tests etc. when we see the respiratory doctor later this month.

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Post by Zaiforce » Mon Mar 04, 2024 4:56 pm

Just an update on the machine.

I sent an email to the hospital respiratory team about our concerns for mum continuing to use the recalled Philips machine and they agreed it would be good to get her onto a ResMed machine, unfortunately we will have to pay for it but that is ok.

They told me that the machine she needs will be a ResMed Lumis 150 VPAP ST, they said this is the equivalent of the Philips Dreamstation AVAPS.

They told me that if I can get one before her appointment with the respiratory doctor in a couple of weeks to take the new ResMed machine with us and the doctor will set it up for us, so that is my goal now, to try and get one within 2 weeks!

Thanks all.

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Post by robbob2112 » Mon Mar 04, 2024 5:50 pm

Excellent, that is a couple of steps up from any of the general line of cpap machines.

I might think about an oxygen monitor over time. The cheap finger devices can be off by up to 5% and can cause mis-reads for things like cold hands and por circulation. It is absolutely not required.