Cleaning (AGAIN???)

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Re: Cleaning (AGAIN???)

Post by stevenal » Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:24 pm

We strongly discourage you from using the products/solutions listed below to clean CPAP equipment, as the residual vapors can be harmful if inhaled.

Aromatic-based solutions or scented oils (e.g. eucalyptus or essential oils)
Antibacterial soaps
Dish Detergent (even if they are mild)
Alcohol
Bleach
Strong-smelling products (e.g. soaps with citrus)
Washing machine or dryer
https://www.resmed.com/en-us/sleep-apne ... equipment/
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Re: Cleaning (AGAIN???)

Post by SleepGeek » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:00 pm

Dog Slobber wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:57 am
SleepGeek wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2023 3:25 pm
Tap or bottled water provide the food that bacteria need in the form of minerals.

So even IF you are using distilled but then wash using tap water you are providing the minerals needed for the airborne bacteria to survive when you wash using tap.
Bacteria that can thrive on non-organic food sources are very rare. Minerals are not organic.
Turns out that airborne Serratia marcescens (aka - pink slime) is one of them.

No link included.
So google found these.
The bacteria feed on mineral deposits in soap scum and fatty deposits in soap and shampoo residue. Although Serratia marcescens will not survive in chlorinated drinking water, it will develop in the water where the residual chlorine has dissipated, such as a pet's water bowl.
https://www.jaxenergy.com/learning-cent ... er%20bowl.
Serratia marcescens, which can cause nosocomial outbreaks,and urinary tract and wound infections, is abundant in damp environments (Figure). It can be easily found in bathrooms, including shower corners and basins, where it appears as a pink–orange–red discoloration, due to the pigment known as prodigiosin.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6810226/
I have some bottled water that has turned pink. This is the second time this has happened. Looks like some sediment on the bottom of the bottle. When I first drank out of this bottle, nothing was wrong. After it sat for about an hour or so, I took another drink and while doing this, noticed the water had turned pink. I didn't get sick, but am rather curious. What should I do?
https://www.justanswer.com/law/5pd1j-bo ... -pink.html
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Re: Cleaning (AGAIN???)

Post by chunkyfrog » Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:50 am

Frankly, I would avoid drinking water that looked, smelled, or felt "off."

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Re: Cleaning (AGAIN???)

Post by Dog Slobber » Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:51 am

SleepGeek wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:00 pm
Dog Slobber wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:57 am
SleepGeek wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2023 3:25 pm
Tap or bottled water provide the food that bacteria need in the form of minerals.

So even IF you are using distilled but then wash using tap water you are providing the minerals needed for the airborne bacteria to survive when you wash using tap.
Bacteria that can thrive on non-organic food sources are very rare. Minerals are not organic.
Turns out that airborne Serratia marcescens (aka - pink slime) is one of them.
I said *thrive* not *survive*.

Interestingly enough, serratia marcescens also survices and grows in distilled water.

https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/co ... -46-11-903
Growth in the environment

The potential of S. marcescens to utilise a wide range of nutrients is expressed clearly by its ability to survive and grow under extreme conditions, including in disinfectant [14, 15], antiseptics [16] and double-distilled water [17].
You know what's good for preventing the survival of serratia marcescens? Chlorinating water.

But keep fear mongering.

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Re: Cleaning (AGAIN???)

Post by SleepGeek » Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:18 pm

Why people in this forum want to argue about using *Distilled Water* is beyond me.

But I've used *Distilled Water* for the last 16/17 yrs. Not only has it saved me time not having to clean the water chamber but the cost of the supplies to clean it too.

And let's face it - Time lost/wasted is something you will never ever get back.

So call me lazy and use *Distilled Water*.
Can I use tap water to fill my humidifier?
ResMed recommends the water tub be filled using distilled water. Tap water contains particulates and impurities that can lead to build-up and poor performance.
https://ap.resmed.com/knowledge/can-i-u ... humidifier
Dog Slobber wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:51 am

I said *thrive* not *survive*.

What is thriving in biology?
More than just doing well, it means to flourish, prosper, or bloom—words that set the bar very high in any profession, including science.Jul 15, 2015

How to Thrive — Not Just Survive — in Science
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Re: Cleaning (AGAIN???)

Post by Dog Slobber » Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:49 pm

SleepGeek wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:18 pm
Why people in this forum want to argue about using *Distilled Water* is beyond me.
Yes, it is beyond you. Well beyond you.

You need to stop being dishonest.

My position and most others is:
  • Tap/bottled water is not a medical necessity
  • Distilled water is a cleaning convienance
  • If your water is safe enough to drink, it's safe enough to use in your CPAP
  • Depending on your water source, mineralization may require extra cleaning and distilled may be the better choice
Please post where I have taken a diffent position?

SleepGeek wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:18 pm
ResMed recommends the water tub be filled using distilled water. Tap water contains particulates and impurities that can lead to build-up and poor performance.
ResMed also explicitly states that tap or bottled water won't harm the device or pose a risk to the patients.


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This demonstrates your dishonesty and gas-lighting. Your signature suggests I keep a foe list. I don't keep a foe list, never have, nor have I ever posted about keeping one and have never supported others posting about who should or should not be on one's foe lists.

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Re: Cleaning (AGAIN???)

Post by zonker » Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:58 pm

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Re: Cleaning (AGAIN???)

Post by Pugsy » Wed Nov 22, 2023 1:03 pm

ENOUGH.

STFU and get back on topic.

I have had enough of the BS between you guys/gals/whatevers.

Further crap will get removed. Don't go acting all innocent either....you all know exactly which buttons you are trying to poke and get a response.

I will make the last poke....fair warning.

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