Women make up less than 13% of people diagnosed.

Rubicon · Post by **Rubicon** » Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:22 am

Rubicon wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:21 am

robysue1 wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:58 pm
...a typical doc ...
BTW is this "typical doc" male or female?

Because as we are now moving into generalizations and stereotypes, I guess I am just as guilty!

lazarus · Post by **lazarus** » Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:52 am

Rubicon wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:22 am
Because as we are now moving into generalizations and stereotypes, I guess I am just as guilty!

So does that mean it can be considered an unfair stereotype to reject all generalizations as bad?

KittyMom22 · Post by **KittyMom22** » Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:35 pm

Without reading all the comments, my 1st thought is that men seem to snore more as a result of apnea. Which makes it a much more visible, er audible, problem. Symptoms in women I believe tend to be more subtle based on my reading, and many such as fatigue, depression, and memory and concentration issues can be blamed on lots of other things (often hormonal). So it's got to be a bit of a diagnostic puzzle.

I can't tell you how many times I've been told that I'm just a woman and [insert ailment] is part of life now.

lynninnj · Post by **lynninnj** » Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:45 pm

KittyMom22 wrote: ↑
Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:35 pm
Without reading all the comments, my 1st thought is that men seem to snore more as a result of apnea. Which makes it a much more visible, er audible, problem. Symptoms in women I believe tend to be more subtle based on my reading, and many such as fatigue, depression, and memory and concentration issues can be blamed on lots of other things (often hormonal). So it's got to be a bit of a diagnostic puzzle.

I can't tell you how many times I've been told that I'm just a woman and [insert ailment] is part of life now.

Believe it or not YESTERDAY I had a woman tell me that women just don’t sleep well. I disagreed.

Maybe the bigger problem is the males fall deeper to sleep and/or simply don’t hear thier bed partner’s snoring. Thus lower reporting rates.

Okie bipap · Post by **Okie bipap** » Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:57 pm

I could not convince my wife to be tested for Sleep Apnea, so i just happened to mention the fact that she snored and would stop breathing when she slept. Our doctor scheduled her for a sleep study. At first, she was upset with me, but once she started using her machine she began to feel better almost immediately. She has used her machine for over five years.

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Fri Nov 04, 2022 1:08 pm

It is good to have a spouse present for medical appointments.
The best excuse is two minds are better than one, or one carries the paperwork.
There is a lot to remember to tell the doc--and more to retain for later.
You did not really "rat her out"--but merely recalled a problem she "forgot."
The bullfrog was present for all my chemo sessions.
He might have been the first to notice if things went awry.

Rubicon · Post by **Rubicon** » Fri Nov 04, 2022 3:19 pm

lynninnj wrote: ↑
Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:45 pm

Believe it or not YESTERDAY I had a woman tell me that women just don’t sleep well. I disagreed.

Well in a way, she's correct. If you look at WSCS and their analysis of women's sleep, turns out that although post-menopausal women had objectively much better sleep than pre-menopausal women, they felt that they actually slept poorly (twice as bad as pre-menopausal women).

It is theorized that this is due to the Golgoltha Principle, which states than older women aren't happy unless they're lugging a cross around someplace.

lazarus · Post by **lazarus** » Fri Nov 04, 2022 3:27 pm

Okie bipap wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:57 pm
I could not convince my wife to be tested for Sleep Apnea, so i just happened to mention the fact that she snored and would stop breathing when she slept. Our doctor scheduled her for a sleep study. At first, she was upset with me, but once she started using her machine she began to feel better almost immediately. She has used her machine for over five years.

But is she speaking to you yet?

lazarus · Post by **lazarus** » Fri Nov 04, 2022 3:37 pm

lynninnj wrote: ↑
Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:45 pm
had a woman tell me that women just don’t sleep well.

My wife sleeps well.

But my mother never did. She always slept with one figurative eye and one figurative ear open, just in case one of her kids called out in the night, or something. She'd get up in the middle of the night to fold laundry to get a jump on her day. To her, sleeping always felt somehow selfish, since it didn't directly involve doing something for others. And sleeping in was, for her, out of the question because of how she was raised.

lynninnj · Post by **lynninnj** » Fri Nov 04, 2022 7:12 pm

lazarus wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 04, 2022 3:37 pm

lynninnj wrote: ↑
Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:45 pm
had a woman tell me that women just don’t sleep well.
My wife sleeps well.

But my mother never did. She always slept with one figurative eye and one figurative ear open, just in case one of her kids called out in the night, or something. She'd get up in the middle of the night to fold laundry to get a jump on her day. To her, sleeping always felt somehow selfish, since it didn't directly involve doing something for others. And sleeping in was, for her, out of the question because of how she was raised.

I like that we can see you now

Maybe there’s an evolutionary reason for it, I don’t know.

lynninnj · Post by **lynninnj** » Fri Nov 04, 2022 7:15 pm

Rubicon wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 04, 2022 3:19 pm

lynninnj wrote: ↑
Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:45 pm

Believe it or not YESTERDAY I had a woman tell me that women just don’t sleep well. I disagreed.
Well in a way, she's correct. If you look at WSCS and their analysis of women's sleep, turns out that although post-menopausal women had objectively much better sleep than pre-menopausal women, they felt that they actually slept poorly (twice as bad as pre-menopausal women).

It is theorized that this is due to the Golgoltha Principle, which states than older women aren't happy unless they're lugging a cross around someplace.

Well… this gal WAS post menopausal.

You lost me at Golgotha though.

lazarus · Post by **lazarus** » Fri Nov 04, 2022 7:33 pm

lynninnj wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 04, 2022 7:12 pm
see you

It's the hi-viz shirt.

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:11 pm

lynninnj wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 04, 2022 7:15 pm
. . .
You lost me at Golgotha though.

Golgotha: I recall a painting of Jesus praying in a garden by that name.
Probably near the crucifixion hill.

zonker · Post by **zonker** » Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:01 pm

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:11 pm

lynninnj wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 04, 2022 7:15 pm
. . .
You lost me at Golgotha though.
Golgotha: I recall a painting of Jesus praying in a garden by that name.
Probably near the crucifixion hill.

(ahem)
gethsemane.

but you knew that, right?

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:58 pm

I get foggy about names . . .

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