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Re: Sticky: Phillips Respironics recent recall notice discussion thread
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:00 pm
by GrumpyHere
Pugsy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:23 pm
JLROhio wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:11 pm
Pugsy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:05 pm
...this recall is affecting over
400 million machines worldwide.
There you go again...saying
400 million? Is it really that many?
That's what an employee at Respironics told a friend of mine in the business....along with at least 300 million dollars to fund the recall.
What I heard was this was just the tip of the iceberg that is being made public.
It's essentially (with a few exceptions of the high end ventilators) all the machines made and sold from around November 2009 (when first System One machine was released and replacing the M Series models) until the release of the DreamStation 2 this past April. Worldwide...I don't doubt the 400 million number over the past11 to 12 years.
Hell....just what went out with reconfigured cpap/apap machines for Covid patients was an extremely large number.
Not doubting what you were told.
But up in the chain, the telephone game someone must had mixed up the figures.
Given the figures you heard, if only 10% of machines actually go through the recall process, cost of $7.50 per machine seems low.
Re: Sticky: Phillips Respironics recent recall notice discussion thread
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:02 pm
by chunkyfrog
Maybe they are cheaper to build than anyone suspected.
Re: Sticky: Phillips Respironics recent recall notice discussion thread
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:04 pm
by Pugsy
JLROhio wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:11 pm
Pugsy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:05 pm
...this recall is affecting over
400 million machines worldwide.
There you go again...saying
400 million? Is it really that many?
Ooops...I have just been informed I missunderstood the numbers...it's 4 million.
I will admit to having some hearing difficulties with the cell phone discussion.
Sorry.
I need to go back and edit my error.
Re: Sticky: Phillips Respironics recent recall notice discussion thread
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:05 pm
by palerider
Pugsy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:52 am
I am still trying to figure out what "Q" series means since this is the first time we've seen this
Maybe it stands for "Quit using these"
Re: Sticky: Phillips Respironics recent recall notice discussion thread
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:09 pm
by coffeeandcurls
I don't want to use my CPAP if there's a serious problem, but also I'm terrified that I'll stop breathing and die in my sleep. This is probably an overreaction because I have anxiety and tend to jump to the worst possible outcome, but I'm scared. Some advice or reassurance would be welcome.
Re: Sticky: Phillips Respironics recent recall notice discussion thread
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:11 pm
by Pugsy
GrumpyHere wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:00 pm
Not doubting what you were told.
But up in the chain, the telephone game someone must had mixed up the figures.
You are correct....4 million and not 400 million...blame it on an old woman with not so great hearing I guess especially on cell phone.
So the error was mine...I misunderstood the numbers at least on the machine count.
Not on the dollars though...that is well documented and growing and I expect it to grow even more.
Sorry for the confusion.
Re: Sticky: Phillips Respironics recent recall notice discussion thread
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:14 pm
by palerider
coffeeandcurls wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:09 pm
I don't want to use my CPAP if there's a serious problem, but also I'm terrified that I'll stop breathing and die in my sleep. This is probably an overreaction because I have anxiety and tend to jump to the worst possible outcome, but I'm scared. Some advice or reassurance would be welcome.
The danger of not using your cpap is immediate.
The potential danger of using it, especially if you haven't used any of the so-called "cleaner" machines that create ozone is probably less. It's a decision you should make, but I'd keep using it for the time being, if it were me.
Re: Sticky: Phillips Respironics recent recall notice discussion thread
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:17 pm
by palerider
It certainly couldn't hurt to use it.
Re: Sticky: Phillips Respironics recent recall notice discussion thread
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:20 pm
by coffeeandcurls
palerider wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:14 pm
coffeeandcurls wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:09 pm
I don't want to use my CPAP if there's a serious problem, but also I'm terrified that I'll stop breathing and die in my sleep. This is probably an overreaction because I have anxiety and tend to jump to the worst possible outcome, but I'm scared. Some advice or reassurance would be welcome.
The danger of not using your cpap is immediate.
The potential danger of using it, especially if you haven't used any of the so-called "cleaner" machines that create ozone is probably less. It's a decision you should make, but I'd keep using it for the time being, if it were me.
Yeah, like, I saw in the recall article that people were having respiratory issues and that's how they knew there was a problem or something like that. Forgive me if I'm wrong, there was a lot of information to take in. But I feel fine, I haven't had any respiratory issues at all except for a bad allergy attack last month with all the pollen. So I feel like maybe I'm fine to keep using it, at least until I can call my doctor and get her professional advice/opinion?
Re: Sticky: Phillips Respironics recent recall notice discussion thread
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:23 pm
by GrumpyHere
Pugsy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:11 pm
So the error was mine...I misunderstood the numbers at least on the machine count.
Not on the dollars though...that is well documented and growing and I expect it to grow even more.
Sorry for the confusion.
It happens.
And you're gracious as always.
Thank you so much for contributing so much to us.
Re: Sticky: Phillips Respironics recent recall notice discussion thread
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:36 pm
by JLROhio
GrumpyHere wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:23 pm
Pugsy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:11 pm
So the error was mine...I misunderstood the numbers at least on the machine count.
Not on the dollars though...that is well documented and growing and I expect it to grow even more.
Sorry for the confusion.
It happens.
And you're gracious as always.
Thank you so much for contributing so much to us.
Exactly!!! I Second this post! Thanks, Pugsy!
As to the Dollars $$$ - those will grow - especially once the lawyers see how much Phillips is putting up.
TBH though...with a company as large as Phillips...this is going to be a simple write-off that the stockholders will bear, a rounding error for the accountants.
And Phillips will just jack up prices on all their other products (and they make a crap-ton of medical products among other things) to cover their costs.
Re: Sticky: Phillips Respironics recent recall notice discussion thread
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:54 pm
by Pugsy
JLROhio wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:36 pm
And Phillips will just jack up prices on all their other products (and they make a crap-ton of medical products among other things) to cover their costs.
So true. Phillips makes a lot more medical products than people know about and they cost a whole lot more than cpap/apap/bipap machines sell for. They can just come out with a new improved MRI and charge boat loads of money for it and make up what they don't write off.
I do wish they were more transparent though. I can't help but think there is a lot more to this than we are being told...but I guess that's pretty much the way life is nowadays. Doesn't mean I have to like it and won't bitch about it though.
Re: Sticky: Phillips Respironics recent recall notice discussion thread
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:59 pm
by Pugsy
palerider wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:14 pm
The danger of not using your cpap is immediate.
The potential danger of using it, especially if you haven't used any of the so-called "cleaner" machines that create ozone is probably less. It's a decision you should make, but I'd keep using it for the time being, if it were me.
What PR says is also my thoughts on this for now.
Not using cpap...a known real risk and when I weigh that with a "maybe" risk...I have to deal with the known risk first.
I would still make plans to get my machine fixed and/or a different machine though....just in case.
Re: Sticky: Phillips Respironics recent recall notice discussion thread
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:13 pm
by dohspc
DS2 now $1099 was $879 earlier today.
Re: Sticky: Phillips Respironics recent recall notice discussion thread
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:51 pm
by palerider
coffeeandcurls wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:20 pm
palerider wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:14 pm
coffeeandcurls wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:09 pm
I don't want to use my CPAP if there's a serious problem, but also I'm terrified that I'll stop breathing and die in my sleep. This is probably an overreaction because I have anxiety and tend to jump to the worst possible outcome, but I'm scared. Some advice or reassurance would be welcome.
The danger of not using your cpap is immediate.
The potential danger of using it, especially if you haven't used any of the so-called "cleaner" machines that create ozone is probably less. It's a decision you should make, but I'd keep using it for the time being, if it were me.
Yeah, like, I saw in the recall article that people were having respiratory issues and that's how they knew there was a problem or something like that. Forgive me if I'm wrong, there was a lot of information to take in. But I feel fine, I haven't had any respiratory issues at all except for a bad allergy attack last month with all the pollen. So I feel like maybe I'm fine to keep using it, at least until I can call my doctor and get her professional advice/opinion?
Until Philips releases more info, it's unlikely that your doctor will know more.