The one I'm keeping (out of three) I did not request a replacement for. Haven't decided if I'll bother sending them back anything for these other two. Maybe I'll spend the next 22 months deciding and see how it goes
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The one I'm keeping (out of three) I did not request a replacement for. Haven't decided if I'll bother sending them back anything for these other two. Maybe I'll spend the next 22 months deciding and see how it goes
Machine: ResMed AirSense™ 10 AutoSet™ CPAP Machine with HumidAir™ Heated Humidifier |
Mask: Oracle HC452 Oral CPAP Mask |
Yes. After faxing the prescription, following up with a phone call (per their request), and them contacting my doctor: I learned from this thread about the "auto" option. I checked the option, and my replacement came with 4 to 20 settings.tisket wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 9:46 am
Has anyone gotten a replacement machine this way, with no doctors or scrips involved? If so maybe I will make the attempt. I certainly don't want to go getting a former doctor (that I left for good reason) involved, and the $50 offer is ludicrous. If they are going to send me a new Dreamstation 2, it might be worth it - but I would probably just store it for a few years to make sure there is no recall on that.
Machine: ResMed AirSense™ 10 AutoSet™ CPAP Machine with HumidAir™ Heated Humidifier |
Mask: Swift™ FX Nasal Pillow CPAP Mask with Headgear |
Mask: AirFit™ P10 For Her Nasal Pillow CPAP Mask with Headgear |
Additional Comments: Airsense 10 Autoset for Her |
Machine: ResMed AirSense™ 10 AutoSet™ CPAP Machine with HumidAir™ Heated Humidifier |
Why wouldn’t you want an Auto PAP machine to have access to the full operating range? Isn’t it going to determine the needed pressure and deliver that? I don’t understand why it’s not effective or comfortable. Thanks in advance for your response!chunkyfrog wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 10:51 amAgain: 4-20 is not a "setting".
It is WIDE OPEN--minimum to maximum, and not very effective--or comfortable.
Luckily, the clinical manuals are available (and FREE) online,
and the patient can tighten the range as needed.
Machine: ResMed AirSense™ 10 AutoSet™ CPAP Machine with HumidAir™ Heated Humidifier |
Mask: AirFit™ P10 Nasal Pillow CPAP Mask with Headgear |
I don’t see what Philips could possibly bill someone for. A “used (and formerly defective) DS-1 — which is no longer manufactured?” After they knowingly have exposed someone to possible lethal contamination and recalled these machines?
When you start from nearly a dead stop, it takes time to get up to the pressureAEC wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 12:48 pmWhy wouldn’t you want an Auto PAP machine to have access to the full operating range? Isn’t it going to determine the needed pressure and deliver that? I don’t understand why it’s not effective or comfortable. Thanks in advance for your response!chunkyfrog wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 10:51 amAgain: 4-20 is not a "setting".
It is WIDE OPEN--minimum to maximum, and not very effective--or comfortable.
Luckily, the clinical manuals are available (and FREE) online,
and the patient can tighten the range as needed.
Mask: AirFit™ P10 For Her Nasal Pillow CPAP Mask with Headgear |
Additional Comments: Airsense 10 Autoset for Her |
So are you saying that if I have the range set from 4-20 cm, and the machine detects that I need 11 cm, it will drop back to 4 between breaths? I don’t think that’s correct. ResMed machines have an option to adjust Expiratory Pressure Release, but I think the max is like 3 cm.chunkyfrog wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 6:22 pmWhen you start from nearly a dead stop, it takes time to get up to the pressureAEC wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 12:48 pmWhy wouldn’t you want an Auto PAP machine to have access to the full operating range? Isn’t it going to determine the needed pressure and deliver that? I don’t understand why it’s not effective or comfortable. Thanks in advance for your response!chunkyfrog wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 10:51 amAgain: 4-20 is not a "setting".
It is WIDE OPEN--minimum to maximum, and not very effective--or comfortable.
Luckily, the clinical manuals are available (and FREE) online,
and the patient can tighten the range as needed.
that is needed to stop an apnea.
If you need more than 6 or 7 cm, you missed stopping the apnea.
I usually need 11 or 12 cm--starting at 9.2 gets my airway opened up
WHEN I NEED IT
Not every race is a drag race--run strictly for acceleration.
The cpap is not built for that kind of abuse--nor is the human body.
Machine: ResMed AirSense™ 10 AutoSet™ CPAP Machine with HumidAir™ Heated Humidifier |
Mask: AirFit™ P10 Nasal Pillow CPAP Mask with Headgear |
Mask: AirFit™ P10 For Her Nasal Pillow CPAP Mask with Headgear |
Additional Comments: Airsense 10 Autoset for Her |
Machine: ResMed AirSense™ 10 AutoSet™ CPAP Machine with HumidAir™ Heated Humidifier |
Mask: AirFit™ P10 Nasal Pillow CPAP Mask with Headgear |
You are allowed to keep you recalled DS1 machines if you register the serial numbers on a Philips site (Preservation Registry) that was set up for those who want to personally preserve them for evidence of a current or possible future claim. No time limit here. In the court agreement (Interim Preservation Order dated Jan. 11, 2022 ), where Philips agreed to set this site up for DS1s, they noted they had not instructed owners to return the System Ones and so only set up the site to register DS1s, not System One machines. Based on this Philips can't bill anyone for holding onto a recalled DS1 device that is registered and they would be unlikely to try to bill anyone for the System Ones since they already told the court they were not collecting them.amenite wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 11:28 amThe one I'm keeping (out of three) I did not request a replacement for. Haven't decided if I'll bother sending them back anything for these other two. Maybe I'll spend the next 22 months deciding and see how it goesThe PRS1 machines are not serviceable; they say so themselves. And their stated reason for return is not to dispose of evidence, but to ensure proper disposal. I have e-waste disposal available to me like anyone else and I call BS on their reason. There's a note in there about possibly being billed if the old ones are not returned. I guess they'll be more on top of billing people like any other medical provider.
Good info here, I will have to search out the actual documents and read in detail since the enclosed paperwork definitely contradicts the above about no collection. Given the haphazard nature of the whole affair I can see them getting "wires crossed". I do recall reading someplace that the cash rebates would not be issued until the old machine(s) was returned - perhaps that has been modified. And they also mentioned on the phone call i might want to consult an attorney before accepting the money which I ultimately did not accept - I chose replacements. Everyone is covering their arse, like their former executives failed to do (hence the "former" designation).Lane101 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:41 pmYou are allowed to keep you recalled DS1 machines if you register the serial numbers on a Philips site (Preservation Registry) that was set up for those who want to personally preserve them for evidence of a current or possible future claim. No time limit here. In the court agreement (Interim Preservation Order dated Jan. 11, 2022 ), where Philips agreed to set this site up for DS1s, they noted they had not instructed owners to return the System Ones and so only set up the site to register DS1s, not System One machines. Based on this Philips can't bill anyone for holding onto a recalled DS1 device that is registered and they would be unlikely to try to bill anyone for the System Ones since they already told the court they were not collecting them.amenite wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 11:28 amThe one I'm keeping (out of three) I did not request a replacement for. Haven't decided if I'll bother sending them back anything for these other two. Maybe I'll spend the next 22 months deciding and see how it goesThe PRS1 machines are not serviceable; they say so themselves. And their stated reason for return is not to dispose of evidence, but to ensure proper disposal. I have e-waste disposal available to me like anyone else and I call BS on their reason. There's a note in there about possibly being billed if the old ones are not returned. I guess they'll be more on top of billing people like any other medical provider.
What is interesting is that the instructions that came with the DS2 sent to replace my older System One contradicted what Philips stated in the court order as they asked for a return of the System One in the same way as they did my registered DS1s. Contradicts what they agreed to and stated in the court order. You can search for and find all the above on-line.
Machine: ResMed AirSense™ 10 AutoSet™ CPAP Machine with HumidAir™ Heated Humidifier |
Mask: Oracle HC452 Oral CPAP Mask |
Machine: AirCurve™ 10 VAuto BiLevel Machine with HumidAir™ Heated Humidifier |
Mask: AirFit™ N10 Nasal CPAP Mask with Headgear |
Additional Comments: Resmed F10 Mask for colds. When camping on battery power I use P10 mask and PR 560p machine. |
Jim,carojae wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 12:05 amThank you so much beautifuldreamer. I will call them again tomorrow or maybe monday, hehe.
I can't stand the delays; it seems like it's part of their protocol. I don't like to be a jerk.
Thank you for answering. I love that machine over my present one. It works so much better.
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