Getting use to CPAP masks.

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Re: Getting use to CPAP masks.

Post by peelunkins » Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:49 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:23 am
John W wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:41 am
Originally my machine as set at 4 ramping up to 12, I felt 4 was to low and 12 was to high, when I returned to the Hospital they reduced the max to 10.
We really need to see what equipment you have. It's important to know the model to see if it's an APAP or a straight CPAP.
John W wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:41 am
I have now tried sitting with justthe mask on during the day as suggested elsewhere on this forum
I know this is a very popular suggestion on the forum. However, I feel differently. We have to wear a mask all night long. Who the hell wants to sit around also wearing it during the day? Maybe newbies should just try it on for a few minutes while relaxing on the sofa? :D
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Re: Getting use to CPAP masks.

Post by peelunkins » Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:55 pm

Janknitz wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:42 pm
For now, I suggest you commit to practicing every day while awake.

First, I want you to examine the mask carefully. The Resmed Mirage Quattro has an anti-asphyxiation valve. (You don't need one on a nasal mask, because you just have to open your mouth to avoid asphyxiation :wink: ). Right above where the hose connects, there's a silicone flap. The force of the air in the hose pushes the flap to seal the anti-asphyxiation port. If there is no air in the hose, there's nothing to push that flap to seal off the port, and and you can breathe the air in the room from that port. So there's NO WAY that you can suffocate in this mask. I hope that helps a little for you to relax, but when I was getting used to it, it only helped a little. I still had panic attacks from claustrophobia. Nevertheless, it's important to understand how the mask works. All full face masks have some sort of anti-asphyxiation valve.

So here's what you do.

First, you need to increase the minimum pressure to at least 6. Almost all of us feel like we are suffocating at 4. You have to do this in the clinical menu, and I'll let someone else tell you how. That will go a long way toward less sensation of suffocating.

Now you should sit or lie in a comfortable position and wear the mask with the machine on for 30 minutes at a time. Watch TV, listen to music, read a book, practice mindfulness or relaxation exercises. If you have a panic attack, take the mask off, calm down, and put it back on until you have clocked 30 minutes in the mask. If you can't stand to have the mask on even for a minute, hold it against your face without the straps, knowing you can always move it away from your face if you panic. The most important part is to always begin again if you take it off in a panic.

After a day or two, when you feel that panic begin to build, promised yourself you will only take it off after you have counted to 10 slowly. Count to 10 slowly then ask yourself if you really need to take it off at all. Take if off if you need to, calm down, and repeat. Or try counting to 10 a second time and see if you really need to remove it. Your goal now is to increase the time before panic attacks. When you can easily go a half hour without taking off the mask, extend the time to 1 hour.

Meanwhile, you should also be trying this at night, in bed, but where you really work on extending the time is during the day. When you can get to 1 hour purposefully awake, then you can switch to increasing the night time use. Same rules apply. Count to 10 slowly. Remove the mask, calm down, put it back on and start again. Try as hard as you can not to fall asleep without the mask on.

I had terrible panic attacks at first, and other phobias that didn't seem related like driving across bridges. When I finally conquered sleeping in my mask all night and waking calm and relaxed, guess what? My bridge and other phobias were much improved, too.

With apnea, we spend all night bathed in a cocktail of stress hormones as our body tries to get us to breathe. It takes a toll on us. Once the apnea is adequately treated, our stress reduces significantly. Claustrophobia lessens or disappears.

Quitting is not an option. Your claustrophobia alone tells you that you have very severe symptoms that are affecting your heart, your brain, your central nervous system. If you quit your efforts to get used to CPAP, you are going to have a host of severe medical issues (if you don't already). So keep going, keep working at this. You must not stop!
Compassionate and very practical advice.
Thank you

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Re: Getting use to CPAP masks.

Post by rick blaine » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:28 am

Hello again John W,

You said: "Can someone guide me to where I need to fill [in] my equipment details in please?"

1. Go to the top right-hand corner of this page, or of the 'Home' page, and look for your username.

2. Click on your username, and get a short drop-down menu (only three items).

3. Click on 'Profile'

4. When the page changes to 'Viewing profile', look for 'Edit profile'. It's a bit small :) but click on that ...

.. and then add your details.

Anything you think it's important for people to know but there isn't a category for, put in 'Additional Comments'.

5. When you've finished giving information or making changes, click on 'Submit'.

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Re: Getting use to CPAP masks.

Post by Benno1024 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:21 pm

Hello. I know this post is a bit old, but I figured I would piggyback on it instead of starting a new one. I've had sleep apnea for a while, and finally got it officially diagnosed by a doctor and got my CPAP machine (DreamStation with humidifier, and ResMed AirFit F20 full face mask -- I'm about 99% sure.. I'm posting this at work, and I'll double check when I get home). Anyway, I have this panic-type reaction that I think is different than what some others have mentioned on this forum. Since I was a kid, growing up in a cold northern climate, in the winters when walking outside, if a strong cold wind was blowing in my face, I literally could not breathe. I would have to turn around and put my back to the wind just to catch my breath, sometimes even walking backwards for a while. Yes I know that sounds strange. I'm not sure if it's a form of claustrophobia (I'm fine on elevators, and I've even been on a small submarine at Sea World or whatever and that didn't bother me, but don't put me in a really small enclosure like a coffin.). Anyway, whenever a lot of wind is blowing in my face, I just choke up and can't breathe. So when I put on the mask, it's actually fine until I hook up the hose and it starts blasting hurricane force winds into my face. At the place where I picked up the machine, a very nice fellow fitted me for the mask after I tried the nasal-only one and found it to be difficult to breathe. I was able to sit for a minute or so with the nose+mouth mask on and the air blowing, but I was just sitting in a chair. So last night I tried the CPAP for the first time and I lasted about 30 seconds before pulling it off in a semi-panic. Again, I don't have an issue on the exhale, but on the inhale, strangely enough (sinc there's air blowing into my face). My "setting" is 6-20, and I use the ramp up feature, starting at 4. Well, even 4 is too much wind in my face and I just choke up. Maybe I should try the nose-only mask again. I wish there was one that would ramp up from a much lower setting, then by the time I'm falling asleep (20 minutes at least!) it could get to 6 or whatever. Does anyone know the reaction I'm describing, or have it themselves? Do you have any advice or tips? I'm afraid I won't be able to use the CPAP, and I'm doomed to a life of sleep apnea and all the associated health risks. If that's the case, I might as well end it now.

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Re: Getting use to CPAP masks.

Post by Julie » Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:22 pm

I would find a therapist who specializes in phobias (it's a real thing these days) and see if you can work with them for a short time - apparently a lot of what they do can happen fairly quickly. I'm not ignoring what you said about your past and/or reactions but I'd also want to address anxiety if possible, especially if it makes a difference to your Cpap experience now - nothing to lose by asking.

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Re: Getting use to CPAP masks.

Post by ChicagoGranny » Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:35 pm

Benno1024 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:21 pm
if a strong cold wind was blowing in my face
Benno1024 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:21 pm
Well, even 4 is too much wind in my face and I just choke up.
Those are two very different things. CPAP creates a pressure. It's not like blowing wind.

Your problem seems to be mental not physical. Practice some relaxation techniques or follow Julie's advice.

Don't give up. Your health and life may depend on it.

BTW, it would be better to start your own thread as you take the next steps in your therapy.

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Re: Getting use to CPAP masks.

Post by MarcieCPAPsux » Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:39 pm

Those are two very different things. CPAP creates a pressure. It's not like blowing wind.
While I know they are two different things, I can relate that it completely feels like wind blowing in your face/nose. I've been working through this process for about a month and a half now and it's JUST now getting a smidge easier. I was having panic attacks and anxiety-related dyspnea throughout the ENTIRE day for the first month. Unfortunately, I am sleeping in a separate room from my husband because I'm so self-conscious, but I'll deal with that mental hurdle after I get through just adapting to the physical (and mental) reality of this.

All this to say, I can relate...and it seems that SLOWLY it does get better. I've still got a ways to go, but I'm actually able to wear the mask (as much as I hate it) now and run the machine for up to 6 hours a night.

I wish you all the best!