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Re: Real men DO use RAMP
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:57 pm
by Wulfman...
bombayone wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:37 pm
Go against group think and get beat up. Welcome to the forum.
Bullshit!
But, when you make statements like the following, it's like "poking the bear".
The opinion that no experienced user needs the ramp feature is just bogus.
It's been discussed MANY times in the past that if using the Ramp feature works for you, go right ahead and use it.
Some people believe they need it and many of us don't. Personally, I've never used the Ramp feature but I don't disparage anyone who feels the need.
Den
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Re: Real men DO use RAMP
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:19 pm
by zonker
babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:46 pm
bombayone wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:37 pm
Go against group think and get beat up. Welcome to the forum.
I was beating him up for the sexist statement, I really don't care if someone uses ramp or not. I used it until I got used to my high pressures.
oh, thank heavens! now we've been properly chastised by bombayone.
i for one feel much better.
Re: Real men DO use RAMP
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:22 pm
by palerider
ArtCominio wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:28 am
Don’t worry because I have no intention of being a regular poster here.
So you decided to barge in and leave a steaming pile of nonsense
just because?
Re: Real men DO use RAMP
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:23 pm
by palerider
Too busy frothing about other people not using ramp, or maybe just general incompetence?
Re: Real men DO use RAMP
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:24 pm
by palerider
ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:27 pm
babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:35 am
Real women don't. We can do the math and take the false positives out of the equation without having the machine calculate it for us.
+1
+2
Re: Real men DO use RAMP
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:29 pm
by Wulfman...
ArtCominio wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:17 am
On a Resmed AirSense 10 the ramp feature IS actually useful in BOTH CPAP and APAP modes for more than just a comfort setting. This is because the algorithm that detects and records events does not even run until after the ramp time.
Many of us have trouble falling asleep, so we see many “events” that should not be counted because they are simply due to irregular breathing patterns while trying to fall asleep. These should not be counted. If you turn ramp off, then events are counted from the second you push the button, even if you haven’t even climbed into bed yet.
There seems to be a reluctance to use ramp because it is understood ONLY AS A “comfort” feature. But it has a second very useful function. So... if you set ramp= 15 minutes, then for the first 15 minutes while you are falling asleep, events are not recorded. This true for both CPAP and APAP modes. This is a desirable feature, not one to be avoided as some posters opine.
I’ve tested the auto ramp feature in APAP mode and it does work. However, it does not always reliably detect sleep onset based on breathing patterns alone.
That’s why in the sleep lab we use brain activity to detect the actual start of sleep. That way, only events during sleep are counted, and not the “false” events we see due to normal waking irregular breathing patterns.
Consider using ramp not just as a comfort feature, but to eliminate false events while still awake. The opinion that no experienced user needs the ramp feature is just bogus.
Don't know if anybody else caught the part I have bolded and underlined................
babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:46 pm
bombayone wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:37 pm
Go against group think and get beat up. Welcome to the forum.
I was beating him up for the sexist statement, I really don't care if someone uses ramp or not. I used it until I got used to my high pressures.
Looks like the "sexist" works in a sleep lab............
Personally, it never takes me long to get to sleep to make Ramp time at lower pressures worthwhile. When I put my mask on and the pressure comes on, my brain knows it's sleep time and I'm out.
Den
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Re: Real men DO use RAMP
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:36 pm
by Dog Slobber
bombayone wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:37 pm
Go against group think and get beat up. Welcome to the forum.
Perhaps you could point out specific examples of him getting beat up.
You have this habit of sitting back and throwing darts at everyone, but you never cite specific examples.
Take my posts in this and the other topic. They disagreed with the OP, they were not disrespectful. How about you point out specific examples of how I beat him up. Or are you content with once again throwing out your huge umbrella of a net with out care for who gets caught up in it.
Re: Real men DO use RAMP
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:41 pm
by Pugsy
Wulfman... wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:29 pm
Don't know if anybody else caught the part I have bolded and underlined................
Thanks for the heads up...I missed it mainly because I didn't bother to read it since I had already read the other post. Don't remember if he mentioned that little tidbit in the first post.
Wulfman... wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:29 pm
Looks like the "sexist" works in a sleep lab............
That pretty much explains things....another "professional" from the industry who think they walk on water and just have to "enlighten us as to how much we don't know and how much they do know"....
How many of those types have we had here over the years???
He needs to go over to the sleep tech forum and argue his personal opinions over there. Someone might give a rat's ass over there.
Re: Real men DO use RAMP
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:05 pm
by zonker
Wulfman... wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:29 pm
Don't know if anybody else caught the part I have bolded and underlined................
i, for one, didn't catch it. thanks for pointing it out. it explains SO much.
Re: Real men DO use RAMP
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:38 pm
by Goofproof
chunkyfrog wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:48 am
The weekend rears its ugly head . . .
Oh, the times I've gotten trouble on this subject! Just a old man who quit using training wheels on his 24 inch bike, and never wore a coconut shell for a hat.
Jim
Re: Real men DO use RAMP
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:46 pm
by palerider
ArtCominio wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:28 am
I am decidedly not a troll,
First rule of thumb... anybody saying " I am decidedly not a troll, " is actually a troll.
Re: Real men DO use RAMP
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:31 pm
by jimbud
Maybe a mistake.
Do you mean RUMP not RAMP?
As in head.
JPB
Re: Real men DO use RAMP
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:05 pm
by babydinosnoreless
Wulfman... wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:29 pm
ArtCominio wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:17 am
On a Resmed AirSense 10 the ramp feature IS actually useful in BOTH CPAP and APAP modes for more than just a comfort setting. This is because the algorithm that detects and records events does not even run until after the ramp time.
Many of us have trouble falling asleep, so we see many “events” that should not be counted because they are simply due to irregular breathing patterns while trying to fall asleep. These should not be counted. If you turn ramp off, then events are counted from the second you push the button, even if you haven’t even climbed into bed yet.
There seems to be a reluctance to use ramp because it is understood ONLY AS A “comfort” feature. But it has a second very useful function. So... if you set ramp= 15 minutes, then for the first 15 minutes while you are falling asleep, events are not recorded. This true for both CPAP and APAP modes. This is a desirable feature, not one to be avoided as some posters opine.
I’ve tested the auto ramp feature in APAP mode and it does work. However, it does not always reliably detect sleep onset based on breathing patterns alone.
That’s why in the sleep lab we use brain activity to detect the actual start of sleep. That way, only events during sleep are counted, and not the “false” events we see due to normal waking irregular breathing patterns.
Consider using ramp not just as a comfort feature, but to eliminate false events while still awake. The opinion that no experienced user needs the ramp feature is just bogus.
Don't know if anybody else caught the part I have bolded and underlined................
babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:46 pm
bombayone wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:37 pm
Go against group think and get beat up. Welcome to the forum.
I was beating him up for the sexist statement, I really don't care if someone uses ramp or not. I used it until I got used to my high pressures.
Looks like the "sexist" works in a sleep lab............
Personally, it never takes me long to get to sleep to make Ramp time at lower pressures worthwhile. When I put my mask on and the pressure comes on, my brain knows it's sleep time and I'm out.
Den
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I am jealous. It takes me forever to fall asleep some nights. Usually if it goes beyond a 1/2 hour I get back up and find something to do till I am so exhausted I sleep.
Re: Real men DO use RAMP
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:34 pm
by chunkyfrog
I used ramp for the first month or so--then shut it off because it interfered with my sleep.
Re: Real men DO use RAMP
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:50 am
by zoocrewphoto
Wulfman... wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:29 pm
Personally, it never takes me long to get to sleep to make Ramp time at lower pressures worthwhile. When I put my mask on and the pressure comes on, my brain knows it's sleep time and I'm out.
Me too.
Thsi is one of the most noticeable improvements I have from cpap. Before cpap, it would take an hour or more every night to fall asleep. With cpap, I am usually out in less than 10 minutes. I put on my mask, hit the light, and roll over. I don't remember much after that.
I need 11 as my minimum, and since it doesn't bother me, I would rather have what I need right away. I won't be awake long. I have nothing against those who feel the need to use it. I wouldn't suggest it for making the numbers look better. Might backfire. I would rather go with whatever produces the best physical results.