SoClean

General Discussion on any topic relating to CPAP and/or Sleep Apnea.
User avatar
ChicagoGranny
Posts: 15080
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:43 pm
Location: USA

SoClean

Post by ChicagoGranny » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:02 pm

Risks:
The residual smell of ozone may be unpleasant and risky. Ozone exposure is potentially dangerous among those with respiratory conditions. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration describes it as a “toxic gas with no known useful medical application.” The Environmental Protection Agency says that relatively low amounts of ozone can cause shortness of breath and worsen chronic respiratory disease.

In fact, ironically, exposure to it may compromise the body’s ability to fight respiratory infections.

...

Ultimately, the available CPAP cleaners and sanitizers seem unlikely to provide additional cleaning capacity beyond standard methods of cleaning with soap and water. There is no evidence that these devices reduce the risk of infection.

These companies also have no financial interest in investigating this possibility. The devices sell well without any such study. This may reveal much about the motivation behind the recent push in direct-to-consumer marketing of the product, beyond the science supporting its use.

A Word From Verywell
Further research may be helpful to determine if these devices have any role in routine CPAP therapy. The risk of infection is so small, and the evidence for benefit so weak, that these devices are not currently recommended. Save your money and buy a lifetime supply of liquid dish soap instead!

https://www.verywellhealth.com/do-you-n ... in-4171650
From a microbiologist with 25 years experience with sterilization and disinfection of equipment and facilities used in the production of sterile pharmaceuticals:
I will give you some facts, and I base the facts on the fact that I am the one who works in the industry of low temperature sterilzation

1. So Clean claims they use the same technology as is used in hospitals. LIE - the hospital ozone sterilizers cost upwards of 100,000.00 and require an O2 farm (a room with 15 to 20 tall O2 cylinders) to provide pure oxygen to extract the ozone. Besides the fact that SoClean lied about this, why on earth do you think a 300.00 device can even come close to what a 100,000.00 device can do. If SoClean was validated to sterilize or even high level disinfect, hospitals would have hundreds of them rather than the 100K devices. The SoClean just does not have the power to do what you think it does.

2. It does not clean. Period. You think it does, place a small dab of peanut butter in your hose and see if it is still there when the cycle is complete. You think this is not a good test, it is the basis of the VA soil test, the test that all medical cleaners must pass or they cannot claim to clean.

3. Amazon reviews - nothing but feel good stories. I have not read one Amazon review that can factually claim that the SoClean kills germs. If you know of one, please post the link because I would like to read it. What is the basis of a 5 star review when all they can go on is they like it? Meaningless.

4. I did own a SoClean on the 30 day trial, when I realized what it was vs. the claims they make I returned it under the 30 day return policy. Why not just get one of the room ozone fans and hang your mask in front of it, they would both do the same thing which is nothing.

I am just repeating the same thing I have typed here about a hundred times; for now on I will just say it is awesome, give the scammers your money, you will love it.

viewtopic/t157842/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1 ... 9#p1210375
SoClean is being sued for False Advertising and other violations of law - https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14 ... clean-inc/

Additional resources:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5611769/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3716664/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16236866

viewtopic/t157842/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1 ... 9#p1210375
https://www.verywellhealth.com/do-you-n ... in-4171650
viewtopic/t175986/NoClean-sued-for-fals ... ising.html
Last edited by ChicagoGranny on Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:03 am, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
zonker
Posts: 11233
Joined: Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:36 pm

Re: SoClean

Post by zonker » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:21 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:02 pm
.....
thanks for posting this in such a clean(no pun intended) fashion. just bookmarked it for future use, many months down the line (many days??) when someone new comes in.

very succinct!
people say i'm self absorbed.
but that's enough about them.
Oscar-Win
https://www.apneaboard.com/OSCAR/OSCAR-1.5.1-Win64.exe
Oscar-Mac
https://www.apneaboard.com/OSCAR/OSCAR-1.5.1.dmg

User avatar
Enigmas
Posts: 71
Joined: Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:24 pm
Location: SE USA

Re: SoClean

Post by Enigmas » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:10 pm

Thanks from me as well. I'm NOT comfortable using that soclean machine another night..

I regret I put out that money in hopes it would be as good as they portray it to be.

User avatar
jhuckabyjr
Posts: 32
Joined: Tue May 23, 2017 9:14 pm

Re: SoClean

Post by jhuckabyjr » Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:05 pm

Please, please make this a sticky. This should be required reading for all newbies. :D

_________________
MachineMask
Additional Comments: OSCAR Software; Dreammapper
Airsense 10 Autoset with humidifier, Climateline Heated Tube, Airfit N30i.

User avatar
Goofproof
Posts: 16087
Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:16 pm
Location: Central Indiana, USA

Re: SoClean

Post by Goofproof » Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:08 pm

Many Newbee's can't read or don't, the horse to water trick. Jim
Use data to optimize your xPAP treatment!

"The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the disease." Voltaire

User avatar
chunkyfrog
Posts: 34545
Joined: Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:10 pm
Location: Nowhere special--this year in particular.

Re: SoClean

Post by chunkyfrog » Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:13 pm

I plan to use the more accurate moniker, "Scare-Clean".

_________________
Mask: AirFit™ P10 For Her Nasal Pillow CPAP Mask with Headgear
Additional Comments: Airsense 10 Autoset for Her

User avatar
jimbud
Posts: 1465
Joined: Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:19 pm

Re: SoClean

Post by jimbud » Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:18 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:13 pm
I plan to use the more accurate moniker, "Scare-Clean".
Goofproof wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:08 pm
Many Newbee's can't read or don't, the horse to water trick. Jim
Amen. :lol: :lol:
JPB

_________________
Machine: ResMed AirSense™ 10 AutoSet™ CPAP Machine with HumidAir™ Heated Humidifier
Mask: AirFit™ P10 Nasal Pillow CPAP Mask with Headgear
Additional Comments: Sleep on a Buckwheat Hull Pillow.

User avatar
Dog Slobber
Posts: 4159
Joined: Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:05 pm
Location: Ontario, Canada

Re: SoClean

Post by Dog Slobber » Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:32 pm

The very fact that most newbies need to be reminded to post their equipment and format their charts as well as a lot more important information, when it's all in the pinned topics, demonstrates they don't read the topic.

A FauxClean topic will not stop the topics, it will only generate remarks reminding newbs to read the the pinned topics. Then Bombaynone will swoop in whinging about everyone here is so mean.

User avatar
zonker
Posts: 11233
Joined: Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:36 pm

Re: SoClean

Post by zonker » Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:45 pm

Dog Slobber wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:32 pm
The very fact that most newbies need to be reminded to post their equipment and format their charts as well as a lot more important information, when it's all in the pinned topics, demonstrates they don't read the topic.

A FauxClean topic will not stop the topics, it will only generate remarks reminding newbs to read the the pinned topics. Then Bombaynone will swoop in whinging about everyone here is so mean.
<looks at watch> bombayone in 5....4.....3.....2
people say i'm self absorbed.
but that's enough about them.
Oscar-Win
https://www.apneaboard.com/OSCAR/OSCAR-1.5.1-Win64.exe
Oscar-Mac
https://www.apneaboard.com/OSCAR/OSCAR-1.5.1.dmg

User avatar
jimbud
Posts: 1465
Joined: Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:19 pm

Re: SoClean

Post by jimbud » Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:08 pm

Dog Slobber wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:32 pm
The very fact that most newbies need to be reminded to post their equipment and format their charts as well as a lot more important information, when it's all in the pinned topics, demonstrates they don't read the topic.

A FauxClean topic will not stop the topics, it will only generate remarks reminding newbs to read the the pinned topics. Then Bombaynone will swoop in whinging about everyone here is so mean.
Amen again.
JPB

_________________
Machine: ResMed AirSense™ 10 AutoSet™ CPAP Machine with HumidAir™ Heated Humidifier
Mask: AirFit™ P10 Nasal Pillow CPAP Mask with Headgear
Additional Comments: Sleep on a Buckwheat Hull Pillow.

User avatar
ChicagoGranny
Posts: 15080
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:43 pm
Location: USA

Re: SoClean

Post by ChicagoGranny » Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:11 pm

I'm thinking about buying a SoClean. Is $299 a good price?

User avatar
jimbud
Posts: 1465
Joined: Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:19 pm

Re: SoClean

Post by jimbud » Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:13 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:11 pm
I'm thinking about buying a SoClean. Is $299 a good price?
Please read first post in this thread.
JPB

_________________
Machine: ResMed AirSense™ 10 AutoSet™ CPAP Machine with HumidAir™ Heated Humidifier
Mask: AirFit™ P10 Nasal Pillow CPAP Mask with Headgear
Additional Comments: Sleep on a Buckwheat Hull Pillow.

User avatar
BamaGramma
Posts: 61
Joined: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:00 am

Re: SoClean

Post by BamaGramma » Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:18 pm

I am so thankful for this post! After I'd read it had several Facebook friends suggest the SoClean and when I said I was using another method to clean, they started with the scare tactics (you'll get this infection and that infection and some other infection if you don't clean the machine). Did they think I wasn't cleaning it at all? Then I pointed out the lawsuit and the dangerous levels of ozone and left it at that. I'd never have known and might have done without something else to buy the machine had I not been a member here.

User avatar
SleepySwiss
Posts: 25
Joined: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:52 pm

Re: SoClean

Post by SleepySwiss » Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:21 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:11 pm
I'm thinking about buying a SoClean. Is $299 a good price?
:lol: ROFL

User avatar
Goofproof
Posts: 16087
Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:16 pm
Location: Central Indiana, USA

Re: SoClean

Post by Goofproof » Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:58 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:11 pm
I'm thinking about buying a SoClean. Is $299 a good price?
I wish I was a Germ-A-Phobe, because I would really like a Ultrasonic Cleaner, the one I want is under
$ 150, I could get two for the price of one No-Clean. It would actually clean my stuff and kill germs too.

They make cheaper ones but I have specs for what I want. What I lack is the room to keep it out. Jim

I don't have the will to clean it after use, do you think a No Clean will clean it ok!

If I drag another thing home, the wife says I have to go....
Use data to optimize your xPAP treatment!

"The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the disease." Voltaire