OT: Trash can posts

Place to move posts that are OT and derailing a helping thread.
I am having some thread ownership issues with using the merge function.
So a work in progress. Bear with me while I try to sort it all out.

Possibly start a sub-forum called "Trash Can" and use a move post function to it?????
I see that often on other forums. Would be good too if the moved post did not appear as a residual; in the original thread - maybe not possible however.

Rexlan wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:17 am

Possibly start a sub-forum called "Trash Can" and use a move post function to it?????
I see that often on other forums. Would be good too if the moved post did not appear as a residual; in the original thread - maybe not possible however.

We only have one forum that’s Jonnie’s choice so a Trashcan is the way to go

No sub forums.
Johnny doesn't want them...so won't happen.
He doesn't like censorship as in removing stuff but no one said I couldn't move stuff.

I hate it when forum members spend more time in a newbie helping thread bashing each other than they do helping the newbie.
I hate it when forum members won't go back on topic even after I specifically asked them nicely to get back on topic or the not so nice STFU.
Some threads I don't care but when someone screws with a newbie helping thread or a thread where the help needed is kinda important...then that's when I see this when people won't stop the derailing. People are free to disagree with whatever anyone says...(even me) but others are also free to come back with rebuttals. It is expected and encouraged.
It's how the rebuttals are often handled that create the problem and derailing of the thread. People end up spending more time attacking the person or maybe how someone says something and not the message than they are actually helping the OP in the thread.
When a thread has 10 posts and 5 of them are "so and so is an asshole" are pretty much what someone is saying...that's derailing.

You can speak bluntly...no one is saying you can't. We have a bunch of forum members who speak bluntly and to the point often while swinging a nail laden 2 X 4 in the process. Hey...it's just the way they are. They are probably that way in real life and it's just their rather gruff personality....or hell, maybe they are just in a bad mood because something happened or didn't happen to them.

So speak bluntly but don't do it to excess in a helping or newbie thread to the point that the thread topic changes from the original intent.
If I step in and ask for things to get back on topic that means the commentaries about what someone said or how they said it are derailing a helping thread...when you see me step in please don't tell me what to do or how to do it. Someone did that yesterday and I nearly had a apoplectic fit when I saw it. Until you have your own moderator status....please don't come here telling me what to do.
It's not your job to moderate the moderator.

So since I am one of 3 sheriffs here and I happen to be the one that is here most often....I guess I get to decide when I feel like the thread is getting derailed and heading down the toilet. It is what it is folks.

There is still a LOT of leeway here with what and how people say stuff....just don't derail a helping thread with your sniping.
Still probably more leeway than on a lot of other forums but if you see steam coming out of my ears...time to get back on topic or your posts will be moved to a place where they aren't taking a helping thread further off topic.

Right now I have issues with thread ownership when I move stuff. The moved stuff doesn't go in line like I want it. I suspect it is due to origination date and time for the posts in the thread. I can't move stuff said earlier than now without that post being listed first and thread ownership changing....so I won't be cleaning up older threads and instead will implement this new way of doing things from now on and see how that does.

I have inadvertently caused a few posts to be deleted while trying to sort all this merge stuff out. My apologies to those people...it was not done on purpose.

As to when posts are derailing...that's a judgement call on my part. If the OP is an active participant in the banter and able to handle themselves...I probably won't mess with things. TBD on an individual basis but you will all have fair warning ahead of time to please stop the derailing.

Morning Pugsy

When I was the web guy for our kayak club I was able to set up an area for OT BS to keep the main area on topic and cleaner. As a personal side note I was a lurker here for many months. When I first got diagnosed learned a lot and sometimes just needed to be part of a group that had to put this alien thing on my face every night. Even now a year later, some days I just need to be part of something so I don't chuck the water and machine on the floor with the personal and social restrictions that come with the problem. So the OT post with some mild to mod ribbing helps and the 2x4 posts I can take or leave and are in my opinion are a needed addition to this forum. Sometimes as you have said we just need to vent

Rob

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:59 am

So since I am one of 3 sheriffs here

4 Sheriffs.

roadcycler wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:18 am

Sometimes as you have said we just need to vent

Yep, and I guess that is sort of what I am doing here.
Part of what I like about this forum is just what you said we find here.
There's a lot of crap talk....always has been and always will be.
What I don't like is for a newbie helping thread to get derailed by a lot of crap talk. We all know when it is happening and why and it shouldn't be a big surprise when people get asked to cool it.
People get some freebie snarky remarks but when the thread itself morphs into just nothing but snarky crap...and it's a newbie thread where specific help is trying to be offered...that's when I get my panties all in a wad.
A little crap talk doesn't necessarily equal a derailment but when half the posts in a thread are bickering snide ass remarks...that's when it has been derailed.

If forum veterans want to beat each other to a bloody pulp...fine...go for it but do it some place other than in a helping thread or a newbie thread. That's all I ask.
I don't see that as being an unreasonable request.
Don't give a newbie the impression that we are all nothing but a bunch of SOBs who can't say anything without infighting and name calling.

You all have no idea how many PMs I get from newbies asking me "are people here really that mean and nasty". Pretty sad isn't it???

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:39 am

roadcycler wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:18 am

Sometimes as you have said we just need to vent

Yep, and I guess that is sort of what I am doing here.
Part of what I like about this forum is just what you said we find here.
There's a lot of crap talk....always has been and always will be.
What I don't like is for a newbie helping thread to get derailed by a lot of crap talk. We all know when it is happening and why and it shouldn't be a big surprise when people get asked to cool it.
People get some freebie snarky remarks but when the thread itself morphs into just nothing but snarky crap...and it's a newbie thread where specific help is trying to be offered...that's when I get my panties all in a wad.
A little crap talk doesn't necessarily equal a derailment but when half the posts in a thread are bickering snide ass remarks...that's when it has been derailed.

If forum veterans want to beat each other to a bloody pulp...fine...go for it but do it some place other than in a helping thread or a newbie thread. That's all I ask.
I don't see that as being an unreasonable request.
Don't give a newbie the impression that we are all nothing but a bunch of SOBs who can't say anything without infighting and name calling.

You all have no idea how many PMs I get from newbies asking me "are people here really that mean and nasty". Pretty sad isn't it???

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