zonker's crib--somewhere over the rainbow

zonker wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:16 am

i think this is down to what palerider says. we are all bags of meat and don't react the same way every time we sleep. i'm not ENTIRELY down with that, but i'm getting there.

Are you saying you're NOT a squidgy meatbag?

http://www.mit.edu/people/dpolicar/writ ... gMeat.html

palerider wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:11 pm

zonker wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:16 am

i think this is down to what palerider says. we are all bags of meat and don't react the same way every time we sleep. i'm not ENTIRELY down with that, but i'm getting there.

Are you saying your NOT a squidgy meatbag?

http://www.mit.edu/people/dpolicar/writ ... gMeat.html

"Oh, there is a brain all right. It's just that the brain is made out of meat!"

zonker wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:43 pm

palerider wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:11 pm

zonker wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:16 am

i think this is down to what palerider says. we are all bags of meat and don't react the same way every time we sleep. i'm not ENTIRELY down with that, but i'm getting there.

Are you saying your NOT a squidgy meatbag?

http://www.mit.edu/people/dpolicar/writ ... gMeat.html

"Oh, there is a brain all right. It's just that the brain is made out of meat!"

You flapping your meat at ME?

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:46 am

djams wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:29 am

What's the criteria for FL to be considered an event on respironics machines?

I don't know that I have ever seen any criteria for FLs for any machine...just the Apnea, hyponea criteria

I overlooked this response.

I was referring the zonker's respironics SH charts, and the fact that FL's show up in the event chart. And there's no FL graph. He's typically got small (compared to me) FL's throughout the night on the resmed charts, but not many FL "events" in the respironics charts. Trying to understand what FL events mean on the respironics charts.

I sure prefer the resmed graph.

djams wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:42 pm

I overlooked this response.

I was referring the zonker's respironics SH charts, and the fact that FL's show up in the event chart. And there's no FL graph. He's typically got small (compared to me) FL's throughout the night on the resmed charts, but not many FL "events" in the respironics charts. Trying to understand what FL events mean on the respironics charts.

I sure prefer the resmed graph.

Okay, now I understand.
No explanation except the 2 brands simply choose to show a data point differently.
Respironics treats FLs like they would OA or hyponea and flag it where/when it happens.
ResMed....to be honest I never really have been able to wrap my head around that FL graph beyond the obvious. I find it much harder to actually see what the machine is wanting to show.

I actually prefer the Respironics flags over the graphs myself. Probably because I started with Respironics machines and got used to the way they do things. Back with Respironics was flagging the FLs...ResMed wasn't doing any graphs for FLs. One of the reasons I got Respironics machine back in 2009 was the data that was offered at the time.

zonker wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:08 am

maybe it's down to your suggestion to turn of the for her mode?

I don't know. It's sounding like a lot of the same. Headache and fuzzy feeling in the morning. You haven't mentioned aerophagia yet - no problems there? In these last 3 charts you run right up to 12 pressure at the beginning of each night, pretty clear that your min pressure is too low. I don't feel comfortable making a recommendation. Especially with the aerophagia in mind. I had my 2nd aerophagia incident earlier this week, and this time it stayed with me throughout the morning. UGH! Proceed with caution for sure.

On the headaches - are you wearing a cervical collar, or chin strap or anything else that might contribute?

Do you suspect that supine vs side sleeping has any bearing on your AHI or how you feel in the morning?

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:57 pm

ResMed....to be honest I never really have been able to wrap my head around that FL graph beyond the obvious.

I think the reason I like it is because it's obvious If there's anything besides the obvious, I'm oblivious.

I view it as a "FL severity indicator". I get a big spike and my pressure goes up. It makes sense in my simple mind.

djams wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:42 pm

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:46 am

djams wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:29 am

What's the criteria for FL to be considered an event on respironics machines?

I don't know that I have ever seen any criteria for FLs for any machine...just the Apnea, hyponea criteria

I overlooked this response.

I was referring the zonker's respironics SH charts, and the fact that FL's show up in the event chart. And there's no FL graph. He's typically got small (compared to me) FL's throughout the night on the resmed charts, but not many FL "events" in the respironics charts. Trying to understand what FL events mean on the respironics charts.

I sure prefer the resmed graph.

Differences in the data reported by the diff machines... I like the resmed better too, it let's you see if it's a small FL, or a big one.

djams wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:20 pm

zonker wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:08 am

maybe it's down to your suggestion to turn of the for her mode?

I don't know. It's sounding like a lot of the same. Headache and fuzzy feeling in the morning. You haven't mentioned aerophagia yet - no problems there? In these last 3 charts you run right up to 12 pressure at the beginning of each night, pretty clear that your min pressure is too low. I don't feel comfortable making a recommendation. Especially with the aerophagia in mind. I had my 2nd aerophagia incident earlier this week, and this time it stayed with me throughout the morning. UGH! Proceed with caution for sure.

On the headaches - are you wearing a cervical collar, or chin strap or anything else that might contribute?

Do you suspect that supine vs side sleeping has any bearing on your AHI or how you feel in the morning?

nope, no aerophagia in the current "set". but i'm not certain that even if i raise my minimum, that the machine will necessarily take the pressure higher than that throughout the night. i mean, if it gets to 12 quickly and then only goes up to 14(i'm looking at a graph i haven't posted yet), why would it want to go any higher? even if it starts out higher?

right now, i'm staying "as is" to see what shakes out. i may, indeed, go higher just to see what happens.

yes, i wear a collar and hairbands to keep my lip zipped. i don't think they have anything to do with the headache, as i've been using the collar for 2+ years and the hairbands for about a year.in fact, i'm not really convinced that the headaches are cpap induced.

thanks for the suggestions. even if they don't work, i'm happy to know that there are fresh eyes on the charts that will see something that i don't!

zonker wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:29 am

nope, no aerophagia in the current "set". but i'm not certain that even if i raise my minimum, that the machine will necessarily take the pressure higher than that throughout the night. i mean, if it gets to 12 quickly and then only goes up to 14(i'm looking at a graph i haven't posted yet), why would it want to go any higher? even if it starts out higher?

right now, i'm staying "as is" to see what shakes out. i may, indeed, go higher just to see what happens.

yes, i wear a collar and hairbands to keep my lip zipped. i don't think they have anything to do with the headache, as i've been using the collar for 2+ years and the hairbands for about a year.in fact, i'm not really convinced that the headaches are cpap induced.

thanks for the suggestions. even if they don't work, i'm happy to know that there are fresh eyes on the charts that will see something that i don't!

Well, no aerophagia is huge, so that's great. That's a win if it keeps up.

Agree with your decision to stand pat. Your AHI numbers are good really. Maybe if the change keeps you out of the 3's those morning fuzzies will fade away over time.

You're more than welcome for the suggestions. I make them with great trepidation. This forum constantly reminds me of my newbie status.

aanndd, here's the latest-
on that last one? for some reason, i had trouble getting my setup in place. first, i didn't have my mask just so. that plus my hairbands not being in the right place kept me fiddling with them all night. finally chucked the bands and used a fresh pair.

not sure if that's the reason for poor numbers or not. last night wasn't much better.

only other change going on is i added the heated hose a few nights ago, but can't imagine that having much impact.

i soldier on....

these three days-


feeling poorly through it all. not fuzzy. more like i've been doing physical labor (believe me, i haven't) and that feeling of being worn out. so sunday night i decided to raise my minimum pressure to ten. because i was so tired, i decided to go to sleep an hour early.

i slept soundly for three hours that night! then, after putting my mask back on, i slept my typical sleep pattern of about an hour at a time. no trouble getting back to sleep after waking, though. when i did finally get out of bed, still had a bit of that tiredness.

but i decided to bump my minimum to 11. not a good move, as it turned out. i stuck with as long as i could, but eventually i turned it back down to ten. i couldn't tolerate the pressure.

it wasn't aerophagia. i didn't have a hard knot in my belly. it was more how it was affecting my pattern of breathing. when i'm laying in bed and getting ready to fall asleep, there is the sequence of breathing in, breathing our and then a pause. then it starts over in a nice relaxing fashion, until i fall asleep.

at the minimum pressure of 11, there is no pause. it just goes right back into the cycle. not relaxing at all! i tried to ignore it and relax to it. it would work for a bit then i'd wake up and start all over again.

the whole episode left me feeling a bit jangly and jittery. turning back to minimum of ten immediately took me back to a more gentle breathing pattern.

so i guess that's a lesson learned!

zonker wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:41 am

feeling poorly through it all.
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i slept my typical sleep pattern of about an hour at a time.

Think these could be related? I didn't know about this hour at a time sleep pattern. Also don't know where to go with trying to help. Maybe Pugsy will be along to give you her "sleep detective interrogation".

zonker wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:41 am

but i decided to bump my minimum to 11. not a good move, as it turned out. i stuck with as long as i could, but eventually i turned it back down to ten. i couldn't tolerate the pressure.

This same thing happened to me when I tried to jump straight from 10 to 12 min pressure. Strange breathing pattern, would end up getting light headed. That's when I started moving up in small increments at weekly intervals, made it easy for me. YMMV.

djams wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:34 pm

Maybe Pugsy will be along to give you her "sleep detective interrogation".

Bright lights, rubber hoses, phone books, etc.

palerider wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:42 pm

djams wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:34 pm

Maybe Pugsy will be along to give you her "sleep detective interrogation".

Bright lights, rubber hoses, phone books, etc.

Don't forget restraints!