New user-Please help optimize my settings

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itschoice
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New user-Please help optimize my settings

Post by itschoice » Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:54 pm

Hello everyone!!! Thank you all for participating in this site and helping others out. I am new to having a CPAP and I want to optimize the benefits of its use. I could really use some help. I have been trying to learn and understand but this is so all new to me that I really feel helpless. Please take it slow.

I think my first night on my permanent machine was 2/11. I use it everyday for a minimum of about 7 hours. I never take the mask off and I am fine falling asleep with it. I have had a lot of problems with air blowing in my eyes as I sleep and I have adjusted my mask and am still working on getting that part right. It does seem better since I want down a size on the nose mask. Now I just need to minimize red marks and lines. I forgot to look at my face today after adjusting last night.

How are you feeling? This week has been the worse week yet. I have been so very tired everyday and its nothing like the last few days they had me on the loaner CPAP where I had actually started to feel more energy. I really want to get back to that.

How well do you think you are sleeping? I am sleeping. I do wake a few times a night and adjust my mask. I think I do it about 2-4 times a night and then I fall right back to sleep.

How energetic do you feel the next day? Any excess sleepiness? This week I am beat. I feel like I have been at Disneyland everyday and have no energy left and am very sleepy.

Anything else significant that you noticed? When I had the loaner, the last 2 days I noticed I was able to get more done in the day and that was great. I remember feeling that way when I was a bit younger and I want that back. I am 48 now and I know I am too young to be this tired. I didn't realize it was because of my poor sleep until I decided to have the sleep study done. Oh and I tried changing the lower number from 12 to 13 last night to see if I noticed any difference.

Mask: Wisp x-large and m/l I changed to the smaller size because the large one kept blowing air into my eyes. I also have a full face mask(nose and mouth) that I could use but it leaks so much air and slides up my nose so I went back to the Wisp. The other one is a Resmed Airfit F10. Its still in its exchange period but I figure I would keep it incase I get a cold and need to breath through my mouth for a few days as I sleep. They would not give me a nose pillow and said I have to wait 6 months and then I can try that.

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This is what they gave me as my results. I have no clue how to read it nor what half of it means. There was no doctor to go over the results with me and I was given no other information.
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Thank you all for your help!!! Any guidance is appreciated.
Tina

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Re: New user-Please help optimize my settings

Post by RRL » Sat Mar 05, 2016 6:59 pm

itschoice wrote: Anything else significant that you noticed? When I had the loaner, the last 2 days I noticed I was able to get more done in the day and that was great.

Mask: Wisp x-large and m/l I changed to the smaller size because the large one kept blowing air into my eyes. I also have a full face mask(nose and mouth) that I could use but it leaks so much air and slides up my nose so I went back to the Wisp.
Hi Tina, and welcome! I am quite new here myself and have been on CPAP almost 3 weeks. May I first suggest you add your machine make and model, specific mask and perhaps your prescribed pressure range (can do this in the equipment tab in the user control panel, which is top left under the search field.) This information will allow other users to better assist you. Take a look at the bottom of some other peoples' posts for examples.

Next, writing more about the loaner you mentioned and what was different about your therapy/equipment, etc. during the last 2 days you mention might be useful.

Mask: I used the Wisp during the first two weeks of therapy and I have the same machine as you. They only gave me the option of Large and X-Large cushion so I ended up using the Large. It did not feel like I needed a smaller one because the lower ridge of the cushion 'triangle' that sets over the nose was just under the nostril openings - any smaller and that lower ridge would have been higher up and partially blocked the airflow into the nose. I kept using the Large and didn't try the X-Large because I too would experience some air blowing into the eyes if I didn't have the straps tight enough. I kept it as loose as possible over the nose while still maintaining a seal. I experienced middle nose soreness and irritation despite how lose fitting the mask was. It's odd, because while I found it quite comfortable, it continued to leave marks. One thing that is recommended by many here is a product called Lansinoh (I saw a generic version as well). It is found in the baby section of stores and composed of only lanolin, which will not damage the mask cushion material. Based on what I've read on the forum, it has been used while the mask is in use, but also afterwards to help with irritation or soreness.

Regarding your data and my comments: I am by no means an expert on interpretation of Sleepyhead data and have only been using it to track my own progress and trends over the past two and a half weeks. There are many here who are very knowledgeable and skilled at interpreting and making suggestions based on the data and they will likely be along to assist you shortly. So, please take what I say here with an enormous grain of salt.

VS and FL: Your Sleepyhead screenshots seemed similar to some of my data. For example, you have several "VS" (vibratory snore) events flagged that are followed by the machine increasing pressure. On my charts, I also had a lot of VS events that were followed by sustained increases in pressure. Often, "FL" (flow limitation) events were clustered near the VS events, which I also noticed on your screenshots. The VS and FL events and associated sustained pressure increases led me to begin making adjustments to my minimum pressure so that I could try to increase proper flow and decrease snores and FLs. My minimum therapy pressure is 8 and the max is 15. Upping it to 9 produced no change. Upping it to 10 stopped all of the VS events and significantly reduced the FL events. As such, the machine was not increasing pressure to deal with them. Obviously, it is not recommended to make any changes to your Rx pressures without consulting your prescribing doctor first. I found the VS and FL to be disruptive, so I changed the settings trying to optimize my therapy - it worked for me.

Minimum pressure: Some have mentioned that one's minimum pressure in APAP mode should be around 2 to 3cmH2O lower than what the 95% value tends to be (if I remember correctly.) So if someone's 95% pressure is routinely around 14, for example, and their minimum pressure is set to 8, it might help optimize therapy to get their minimum pressure up to about 11 to 12. It has been recommended that one not increase their pressure by more than 0.5cmH20 at a time. My minimum was set to 8 and I was routinely showing 95% pressure around 12. I now have my minimum at 10 and it has helped to optimize my therapy.

Maximum pressure: Your data seems to indicate your machine has you near your maximum pressure quite a bit of the time. To my inexperienced eyes, this might mean you could benefit from having a higher maximum pressure.

A-Flex: I noticed you have it set at 2. That is what it was set at when I got my machine. I have it set at 3 now, which makes it easier to breathe out (expiratory pressure relief.) I believe this change has helped optimize my therapy.

Humidity: I noticed it is set at 3. I have mine set at 2 because I found it harder to breathe at level 3.

AHI: Since your screenshots are all below 5, you are considered "successfully treated." Even though you are feeling tired with a lack of energy, it doesn't mean your therapy isn't working. I remember reading somewhere that some people start to feel better after only one night, some after a few weeks or several to many months and some have not expressed feeling better at all, even after a year or more. As you mentioned regarding the loaner, you felt more energy - that sounds promising! I have not noticed any change in how I feel since starting CPAP. It's been almost three weeks and I remind myself to be patient, it can take time to 'heal' and that how long it takes to start feeling better varies widely - which helps me put things in perspective.

It's great to hear you have been using your equipment everyday and I think you will find this forum very helpful. Best wishes that you start to feel better soon!

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Re: New user-Please help optimize my settings

Post by itschoice » Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:22 pm

Thank you RRL for responding. I read the recommendations to your post and that is why I raised my lower number from 12 to 13. I will try it one more night and if not I will take it up .5 more. I did however, for the first time since 2/11 when I started, notice that I started snoring last night and it woke me with the sound and dry mouth. I had not opened my mouth that I know of since getting the machine.

I was not sure if I should also change the top number at some point but I did feel like the loaner (Same machine as the one I have now just that it was used) seemed to have a higher over all pressure, in fact it left my chest muscles sore. This indicated to me it was reaching a higher pressure. I have noticed that at times I top out at 15 and was wondering if that is okay. As for the A-Flex pressure I had not noticed while awake an issue breathing out. As a matter of fact I had wondered why I had felt a difference between the old machine and this one. I had felt the difference in pressure when I exhaled and that might be because of the higher pressure and higher A-Flex number in the loaner test machine. I wish I knew what that one had been set to. My guess was a wider set of numbers since it is what they used to determine my prescription.

My issue with being tired is not that I have not started to feel better but in fact I am now MORE tired than I had been before . Maybe others will chime in and give their opinions. I am very committed to using the therapy but have been tempted to sleep a night without it just to not be so tired. I even had to take a nap today and passed out for about 3 hours and yes I used my machine for the nap.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

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Re: New user-Please help optimize my settings

Post by Mudrock63 » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:17 am

Hi Itschoice: First off, I want to say that it is clear you have done quite a bit of reading and researching on here. So kudos on learning about and wanting to take control of your condition.

I'm 4 1/2 months in, so I am not REAL confident in making specific pressure setting suggestions. The more experienced folks will chime in eventually. But some observations, based on the charts you posted......your numbers are good enough to consider the condition treated, but I feel better the lower I can get my AHI. I feel a difference when they are below 2.0 versus above. On a couple of your charts, you are banging up against your maximum pressure. Since you are on auto, it can't hurt to raise that. The machine will only go as high as it thinks it needs to to address your events. I also don't think it would hurt you to adjust your minimum up a little. The woman who helped me when I first came here explained that you want your lower pressure high enough to PREVENT events, if possible. The higher pressures only kick in to events you are already having. I will also say that when I made my adjustments, I gave several days to a week to evaluate each result. There are so many factors involved in a single night's sleep that you want to average out your results over time to eliminate the effects of one bad night, for instance. I do think whoever prescribed your settings at least got you in the ballpark, which is a blessing. Zero AHI is an elusive goal you can drive yourself crazy trying to achieve. Having said that, getting it as low as possible is not unreasonable and the lower the better, IMO. But so far, numbers-wise, you are doing really well.

The air blowing in your eyes. I think this could be one of two things. You may have a small leak that is directing air from inside the mask into your eyes. Only adjusting the mask for a better seal will help that. Or perhaps trying a mask liner. There are all kinds of suggestions/products for sale on here cheap to help if that is the problem. The other possibility is the air that is exiting the exhalation ports is being redirected into your face. This can happen if you have anything real close to the front of your mask when you sleep. Like snuggling your face down into the pillows, having a blanket close to your face, etc.

The "when am I going to feel better" thing is trickier. It varies by the individual. But the way I look at it, I have suffered from this horrible condition for decades, so it is going to take several months of good therapy to give my body a chance to heal from YEARS of rotten sleep. I wasted a month and change of therapy on the settings I was originally prescribed. Before I came here and actually got good, experienced advice. It's really only been a month that I have achieved an AHI reliably below 5.0. I feel MUCH better, but it has taken time and a month of steady, effective therapy to achieve this. I had a couple of AHA mornings, generally after tweaking my settings and getting a better result. Then it becomes the new, better normal. Then I changed to a more effective setting, got another AHA morning, and so on and so forth. Looking back to my life before treatment, I was literally a walking zombie. Too fatigued to participate in many of the things that make up a normal life. That is rapidly improving. So, I think, if you stick with it, you will look back in a couple of months and notice a real difference.

A couple of other things......never sleep without the mask. Even a nap without treatment is going to set you back. And google sleep hygiene. Make sure you are doing all the other things to help ensure you get restful sleep.

Good luck. You sound like you are on top of this.

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Re: New user-Please help optimize my settings

Post by itschoice » Sun Mar 06, 2016 3:22 pm

Mudrock63 wrote:Hi Itschoice: First off, I want to say that it is clear you have done quite a bit of reading and researching on here. So kudos on learning about and wanting to take control of your condition.

I'm 4 1/2 months in, so I am not REAL confident in making specific pressure setting suggestions. The more experienced folks will chime in eventually. But some observations, based on the charts you posted......your numbers are good enough to consider the condition treated, but I feel better the lower I can get my AHI. I feel a difference when they are below 2.0 versus above. On a couple of your charts, you are banging up against your maximum pressure. Since you are on auto, it can't hurt to raise that. The machine will only go as high as it thinks it needs to to address your events. I also don't think it would hurt you to adjust your minimum up a little. The woman who helped me when I first came here explained that you want your lower pressure high enough to PREVENT events, if possible. The higher pressures only kick in to events you are already having. I will also say that when I made my adjustments, I gave several days to a week to evaluate each result. There are so many factors involved in a single night's sleep that you want to average out your results over time to eliminate the effects of one bad night, for instance. I do think whoever prescribed your settings at least got you in the ballpark, which is a blessing. Zero AHI is an elusive goal you can drive yourself crazy trying to achieve. Having said that, getting it as low as possible is not unreasonable and the lower the better, IMO. But so far, numbers-wise, you are doing really well.

The air blowing in your eyes. I think this could be one of two things. You may have a small leak that is directing air from inside the mask into your eyes. Only adjusting the mask for a better seal will help that. Or perhaps trying a mask liner. There are all kinds of suggestions/products for sale on here cheap to help if that is the problem. The other possibility is the air that is exiting the exhalation ports is being redirected into your face. This can happen if you have anything real close to the front of your mask when you sleep. Like snuggling your face down into the pillows, having a blanket close to your face, etc.

The "when am I going to feel better" thing is trickier. It varies by the individual. But the way I look at it, I have suffered from this horrible condition for decades, so it is going to take several months of good therapy to give my body a chance to heal from YEARS of rotten sleep. I wasted a month and change of therapy on the settings I was originally prescribed. Before I came here and actually got good, experienced advice. It's really only been a month that I have achieved an AHI reliably below 5.0. I feel MUCH better, but it has taken time and a month of steady, effective therapy to achieve this. I had a couple of AHA mornings, generally after tweaking my settings and getting a better result. Then it becomes the new, better normal. Then I changed to a more effective setting, got another AHA morning, and so on and so forth. Looking back to my life before treatment, I was literally a walking zombie. Too fatigued to participate in many of the things that make up a normal life. That is rapidly improving. So, I think, if you stick with it, you will look back in a couple of months and notice a real difference.

A couple of other things......never sleep without the mask. Even a nap without treatment is going to set you back. And google sleep hygiene. Make sure you are doing all the other things to help ensure you get restful sleep.

Good luck. You sound like you are on top of this.
Thank you Murdock for replying. So my AHI last night was 2.62. My average since I started is 2.32. I probably should not have posted here with the screen shots I used since they were a bit on the good side. I am guessing that is why there have been so few responses. I will try raising my top number tonight by .5 and then I will give it a few days before I move my bottom number up some more. I am just guessing at the best way to do this so who knows.

Again I am not expecting to feel better right away but it has surprised me that I now feel WORSE with the CPAP than I did without it.

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Re: New user-Please help optimize my settings

Post by lilly747 » Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:05 pm

It looks like you're doing pretty good tweaking things. I would keep making small adjustments until you get your OA, H, and VS down a little. Little by little you will get there Some times people are more tired in the beginning. What you are doing is tiring, mentally and physically. Fighting leaks, stuff on your face, and pressures that are not quite right, etc....so give it some time and keep working on it. Also sometimes less is more, lots of writing and your data/needed info is kind of lost for some of us in all of that. I am sure as time goes on you will be getting more help. Glad you're here

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Re: New user-Please help optimize my settings

Post by Cardsfan » Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:27 pm

Try 14-16. You still have too many snores and obstructions. See if that helps. How doess your flow limit chart look?

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Re: New user-Please help optimize my settings

Post by itschoice » Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:08 pm

Thank you both for your input. Caedsfan, which is the flow limit chart or how do I find it? Do I click on the events and then the flow limitations? If so this is what I got there: http://imgur.com/a/ShiSl

I am not sure if this will work.

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Re: New user-Please help optimize my settings

Post by palerider » Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:12 pm

itschoice wrote:Thank you both for your input. Caedsfan, which is the flow limit chart or how do I find it?
cardsfan forgot that there is no flow limit chart with respironics machines.

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Re: New user-Please help optimize my settings

Post by itschoice » Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:57 pm

palerider wrote:
itschoice wrote:Thank you both for your input. Caedsfan, which is the flow limit chart or how do I find it?
cardsfan forgot that there is no flow limit chart with respironics machines.
lol, Thanks anyway. I already set the higher numbers. Lets see how it goes for a few nights and I will post again.

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