Is my cpap causing fatigue?

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Re: Is my cpap causing fatigue?

Post by Wulfman... » Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:50 am

palerider wrote:
Pugsy wrote:Start your own thread and Den will explain "frank" events and the limitations of apap mode
who is this 'frank' guy, and why does Den keep talking about him? what, was he some friend of Den's that had a horrible childhood experience with an APAP?
No, no, no..........

Some of the earliest "frank" discussions I could find in the forum archives. (oldest to newest)

viewtopic/t101392/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8 ... ank#p70811

viewtopic/t101392/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1 ... ank#p94872

viewtopic/t101392/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1 ... nk#p166849

viewtopic/t101392/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2 ... nk#p197785

viewtopic/t101392/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2 ... nk#p219697

viewtopic/t101392/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2 ... nk#p223186

viewtopic/t101392/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2 ... nk#p224808

viewtopic/t101392/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2 ... nk#p236161


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Re: Is my cpap causing fatigue?

Post by palerider » Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:30 pm

Wulfman... wrote:
palerider wrote:
Pugsy wrote:Start your own thread and Den will explain "frank" events and the limitations of apap mode
who is this 'frank' guy, and why does Den keep talking about him? what, was he some friend of Den's that had a horrible childhood experience with an APAP?
No, no, no..........

Some of the earliest "frank" discussions I could find in the forum archives. (oldest to newest)
....
ya know I was just joking around, and was about to attempt some humor about why john and bob and roger don't get any apneas... and I got to wondering about the usage of the term 'frank', and as far as I can tell, that's not an appropriate term to use, actually.

it's being used here to mean 'unexpected' or 'sudden', but the clinical meaning of the word 'frank' is
b : clinically evident and unmistakable <frank pus>
Pathology. unmistakable; clinically evident:frank blood
2. Clearly manifest; evident: frank enjoyment.

I couldn't find any definition in those three sources to make it fit the way it's been used here on the forum.

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Re: Is my cpap causing fatigue?

Post by Wulfman... » Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:49 pm

palerider wrote:
Wulfman... wrote:
palerider wrote:
Pugsy wrote:Start your own thread and Den will explain "frank" events and the limitations of apap mode
who is this 'frank' guy, and why does Den keep talking about him? what, was he some friend of Den's that had a horrible childhood experience with an APAP?
No, no, no..........

Some of the earliest "frank" discussions I could find in the forum archives. (oldest to newest)
....
ya know I was just joking around, and was about to attempt some humor about why john and bob and roger don't get any apneas... and I got to wondering about the usage of the term 'frank', and as far as I can tell, that's not an appropriate term to use, actually.

it's being used here to mean 'unexpected' or 'sudden', but the clinical meaning of the word 'frank' is
b : clinically evident and unmistakable <frank pus>
Pathology. unmistakable; clinically evident:frank blood
2. Clearly manifest; evident: frank enjoyment.

I couldn't find any definition in those three sources to make it fit the way it's been used here on the forum.
Well, reading those links, I found this one (in the second link) which is probably pretty close.

adjective
1. honest and straightforward in speech or attitude: a frank person
2. outspoken or blunt
3. open and avowed; undisguised: frank interest
4. an obsolete word for free, generous

"Blunt"......abrupt, out of nowhere.....?
Just keep in mind that some of the earliest uses of the term on the forum were by very intelligent, scholarly individuals......like "-SWS" and some others.

I just followed their lead.


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Re: Is my cpap causing fatigue?

Post by palerider » Thu Oct 16, 2014 2:50 pm

Wulfman... wrote:Well, reading those links, I found this one (in the second link) which is probably pretty close.

adjective
1. honest and straightforward in speech or attitude: a frank person
2. outspoken or blunt
3. open and avowed; undisguised: frank interest
4. an obsolete word for free, generous

"Blunt"......abrupt, out of nowhere.....?
Just keep in mind that some of the earliest uses of the term on the forum were by very intelligent, scholarly individuals......like "-SWS" and some others.

I just followed their lead.
but, officer, everybody else here was abusing the language! why are you picking on me??? (to paraphrase someone picked out of a crowd of speeding cars and given a ticket...) "well, I noticed *you* "

plus, it's poor form, if not downright wrong, to take a word used in a definition, and select an alternate meaning of that word to try and change the meaning of the original word.
(of a person or remark) uncompromisingly forthright.
the usage of which is listed as a synonym of "frank"

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Re: Is my cpap causing fatigue?

Post by Wulfman... » Thu Oct 16, 2014 2:57 pm

palerider wrote:
Wulfman... wrote:Well, reading those links, I found this one (in the second link) which is probably pretty close.

adjective
1. honest and straightforward in speech or attitude: a frank person
2. outspoken or blunt
3. open and avowed; undisguised: frank interest
4. an obsolete word for free, generous

"Blunt"......abrupt, out of nowhere.....?
Just keep in mind that some of the earliest uses of the term on the forum were by very intelligent, scholarly individuals......like "-SWS" and some others.

I just followed their lead.
but, officer, everybody else here was abusing the language! why are you picking on me??? (to paraphrase someone picked out of a crowd of speeding cars and given a ticket...) "well, I noticed *you* "

plus, it's poor form, if not downright wrong, to take a word used in a definition, and select an alternate meaning of that word to try and change the meaning of the original word.
(of a person or remark) uncompromisingly forthright.
the usage of which is listed as a synonym of "frank"
Well, "GENIUS", it's done all the time.......

Sorry, I couldn't resist that one.


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Re: Is my cpap causing fatigue?

Post by palerider » Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:30 pm

Wulfman... wrote:Well, "GENIUS", it's done all the time.......

Sorry, I couldn't resist that one.
that's *low grade* GENIUS to you, Sir! (depending on which test I took)

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Re: Is my cpap causing fatigue?

Post by Wulfman... » Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:43 pm

You "look" like a genius to me.

I had to save this image to my files
Love it.


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Re: Is my cpap causing fatigue?

Post by palerider » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:03 pm

Wulfman... wrote:You "look" like a genius to me.

I had to save this image to my files
Love it.


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that's "beastie" from the BSD unix family of operating systems. google 'beastie bsd' and check images for many more variants. I love the fact he's wearing tennies.

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Re: Is my cpap causing fatigue?

Post by Lyonpo » Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:09 pm

Wow, thanks for all the feedback everyone

I have switched from Sleepmapper to Sleepy Head software, wow, what a difference!! I'm happy to report that it has all my data since I started so I will be able to review the data as soon as I learn to read it

I started in July and September was my worst month for fatigue with Aches and Pains. I noticed on the data that in September I wore the mask 29 of 30 days. This month I've only worn it 5 days (out of 17) and I feel so much better.

Pugsy, if you want, I can send you the sleepyhead csv export file for the last 3 months

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Re: Is my cpap causing fatigue?

Post by Pugsy » Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:08 pm

I wouldn't have a clue what to do with a csv file and I wouldn't know how to turn it into the SH reports that I am accustomed to seeing. I am a visual person when it comes to the software reports. Numbers are hard to get a picture of how the night went.

Pick your best night and worst night out of the 5 nights this month you have used the machine and post the image of the daily detailed reports and maybe something will stand out.

If something stands out now..it would have probably been present on those older reports. I prefer to work with what's going on now because we can't do much about what happened 3 months ago anyway.
Unless you look back and see something that is drastically different in the reports. Minor variations are normal anyway.
About all we can do is look at what's going on now...see if anything screams out "fix me" and try to fix it if we see it and if nothing screams "fix me" then move on to the other usual things that people need to check out.

While we can expect that people take some time to feel better when starting cpap therapy we don't normally expect a person to be feeling markedly worse unless the mask or the pressure or something like that is affecting sleep quality and it's poor sleep quality itself that is the culprit. Like maybe a person simply can't sleep well or long with the mask and machine so they get short hours of restless sleep and feel bad from that.

If you don't know how to post images of your reports..explained here along with what we normally look at.
Don't need each and every graph that SH offers just these.
On the Left...the AHI bar graphs showing event category breakdown and the AHI. You can turn off the Pie chart and get a little bit of the statistics included.
On the right side...only these graphs to start with.
Events
Flow rate
Pressure if using auto adjusting pressures
Leak

you can turn off any graphs that are in the way and resize the graphs to get the 4 main graphs on one image.
So with this you can get 1 night of daily details in one screen shot. It's much easier to evaluate without miles of the other graphs to look over.

Screen shot thread viewtopic.php?f=1&t=81072&p=737779#p737779

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