Bedtime Reading

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Breathe Jimbo
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Bedtime Reading

Post by Breathe Jimbo » Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:57 am

Before CPAP, bedtime reading would help me fall asleep. I would read a chess book for 10-30 minutes until I felt like putting it down and turning off the light. More recently, after a month of CPAP, bedtime reading of a chess book wakes me up and makes my mind more active, undoubtedly because of the effort to visualize positions and moves on a mental chess board. Apart from losing a way to help me fall asleep, this change seems to be evidence of improved mental functioning, or increased mental energy, after five weeks of CPAP.

Anyone else notice similar changes with bedtime routines?

P.S. ... or evidence that I am more boring now than ever.

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Re: Bedtime Reading

Post by Janknitz » Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:36 pm

My sleep "latency" is gone. All my life I have taken a while to fall asleep--20 minutes minimum, and sometimes HOURS. So, since childhood, I would make up elaborate, soap opera stories that I added to over many years (of course, I was always the main character ). This was really a lifelong thing--I remember doing this in my CRIB!

I would work and rework particular scenes to "perfect" them. And there were some funny things--I could never let my heroines get sick, because then I would inevitably (and immediately) come down with something in real life. I have always wondered if my "stories" somehow had an effect on my immune system. Talk about mind over matter!

Anyway, I have no time for my stories anymore. My sleep latency is essentially zero. I strap the mask on and, like Pavlov's dog, I am almost instantly asleep until morning. I'm enjoying the sleep, but I kind of miss my stories.
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Re: Bedtime Reading

Post by harry33 » Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:24 pm

I have severe insomnia which hasnt been altered by my CPAP use at all, Ive tried melatonin which helps some but it didnt help me
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Re: Bedtime Reading

Post by Janknitz » Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:49 pm

Double blind studies with Melatonin seem to indicate that it doesn't really work, so I'm not surprised.
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Re: Bedtime Reading

Post by helpful1 » Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:13 pm

Janknitz wrote:Double blind studies with Melatonin seem to indicate that it doesn't really work, so I'm not surprised.
Here's one that seems to support its use (I just started using it a week ago, and so far it seems to be helping):
Psychosomatic Medicine 63:40-48 (2001)
© 2001 American Psychosomatic Society

A Randomized, Double-Blind, Placebo-Controlled Crossover Study of the Effect of Exogenous Melatonin on Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome
Leonid Kayumov, PhD, ABSM, Gregory Brown, MD, PhD, Ripu Jindal, MD, Kenneth Buttoo, MD, ABSM and Colin M. Shapiro, MD, PhD

From the Department of Psychiatry, University of Toronto, and Sleep Research Laboratory, University Health Network, Toronto Western Hospital (L.K., G. B., R.J., C.M.S.); Toronto Western Research Institute, University of Toronto (L.K., C.M.S.); and Ajax-Pickering General Hospital (K.B.), Pickering, Ontario, Canada.

Dr. Leonid Kayumov, Department of Psychiatry, University of Toronto and University Health Network, Toronto Western Hospital, MP 10-320, 399 Bathurst St., Toronto, ON, M5T 2S8, Canada. Email: lkayumov@playfair.utoronto.ca

OBJECTIVE: The effects of exogenous melatonin on sleep, daytime sleepiness, fatigue, and alertness were investigated in 22 patients with delayed sleep phase syndrome whose nocturnal sleep was restricted to the interval from 24:00 to 08:00 hours. This study was a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled crossover trial. Subjects received either placebo or melatonin (5 mg) daily for 4 weeks, underwent a 1-week washout period, and then were given the other treatment for an additional 4 weeks. Patients could take the melatonin between 19:00 and 21:00 hours, which allowed them to select the time they felt to be most beneficial for the phase-setting effects of the medication.

METHODS: Two consecutive overnight polysomnographic recordings were performed on three occasions: at baseline (before treatment), after 4 weeks of melatonin treatment, and after 4 weeks of placebo treatment.

RESULTS: In the 20 patients who completed the study, sleep onset latency was significantly reduced while subjects were taking melatonin as compared with both placebo and baseline. There was no evidence that melatonin altered total sleep time (as compared with baseline total sleep time), but there was a significant decrease in total sleep time while patients were taking placebo. Melatonin did not result in altered scores on subjective measures of sleepiness, fatigue, and alertness, which were administered at different times of the day. After an imposed conventional sleep period (from 24:00 to 08:00), subjects taking melatonin reported being less sleepy and fatigued than they did while taking placebo.

CONCLUSIONS: Melatonin ameliorated some symptoms of delayed sleep phase syndrome, as confirmed by both objective and subjective measures. No adverse effects of melatonin were noted during the 4-week treatment period.

Key Words: melatonin • delayed sleep phase syndrome • sleep • circadian rhythms.

Abbreviations: aMT6s = sulfatoxymelatonin; CES-D = Center for Epidemiologic Studies Depression Scale; DSPS = delayed sleep phase syndrome; HAM-D = Hamilton Depression Scale; REM = rapid eye movement; SOL = sleep onset latency; SSS = Stanford Sleepiness Scale; TST = total sleep time; WASO = wakefulness after sleep onset.

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Re: Bedtime Reading

Post by Jaylee » Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:26 pm

I vote for boring, personally.

I used to not be able to read without falling asleep. Now I can read for hours and not fall asleep. My books aren't nearly as boring as yours are, though.

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Re: Bedtime Reading

Post by Junebug999 » Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:04 pm

Jankitz -- I love what you do while you are trying to fall asleep -- that is fascinating you did that even as a baby.

I remember when I was going through infertility, if I laid down and thought about wanting a baby, of course I wouldn't be able to sleep, so I took up decorating houses. I would have a floor plan in mind, and mentally place furniture, choose fabric, paint, windows, EVERYthing.

Of course then I had a baby, decorated a nursery...and my nighttime decorating came to an end!

You should write your stories down though. And it is interesting the "mind over matter" as it relates possibly to your immunology also.

Wow....that is so interesting...

Also, OP, so you read chess to fall asleep. Right now I'm reading Peter Kreeft, a philosopher, reading his book about Heaven right now, and the book is WAY over my head. So I re-read a paragraph about 5 times and fall asleep. Oh, I forgot, but I used to read history to fall asleep also....Civil War, European History, United States History...that's always a sure way to nod off!

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Re: Bedtime Reading

Post by Mimmie » Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:13 pm

I think everyone has a different sleep routine. Mine is reading. I have a routine that never changes when it's bedtime. I never stray from the course. I am a night owl, always have been, and reading a chapter before sleep is part of my routine. I completely relax and all wandering thoughts stop as I read. Then on goes the masks and I go right to sleep. The mask is kind of my sleeping pill. Some watch TV, or listen to a radio, or talk to their significant other. I have to have quiet so I can't do any of that. I just zonk out as soon as I lay the book down and put on the mask.

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