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Browser wrote:I am also curious about the man, John. Was he in a sleep disorders related position? He must have been to be so knowledgeable right or was he just a very smart person who did a lot of reading on the subject and had the ability to understand everything so well? What did John do? Was he really this Dizzy that SAG wrote about?

I think John was a troubled man who had a number of events in his life happen that created a lot of inner turmoil, much of it having to do with where he thought he should be in relation to "the guy thing".

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Browser wrote:Hi Echo -Thanks. All I want to say right now is I can relate to everything you said-everything. We really have a lot in common in regards to what we have said on this board. I think if I married someone like me I would be nuts and divorced,maybe.

I would be in prison for murder
But actually this is the reason that my dad and I did NOT get along when I was a teenager. We are very similar and we just basically annoyed the hell out of each other, and it was a power struggle.

echo wrote:

Browser wrote:Hi Echo -Thanks. All I want to say right now is I can relate to everything you said-everything. We really have a lot in common in regards to what we have said on this board. I think if I married someone like me I would be nuts and divorced,maybe.

I would be in prison for murder
But actually this is the reason that my dad and I did NOT get along when I was a teenager. We are very similar and we just basically annoyed the hell out of each other, and it was a power struggle.

I have the same problem with my oldest son. I see him making all the mistakes I made and it irritates me. I told my wife he is so much like me it drives me nuts. I try not to show it to him. We get along fine.

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Browser wrote:I am also curious about the man, John. Was he in a sleep disorders related position? He must have been to be so knowledgeable right or was he just a very smart person who did a lot of reading on the subject and had the ability to understand everything so well? What did John do? Was he really this Dizzy that SAG wrote about?

I think John was a troubled man who had a number of events in his life happen that created a lot of inner turmoil, much of it having to do with where he thought he should be in relation to "the guy thing".

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Thanks Dave, Gee maybe I can relate although I don't understand yet what you mean about "the guy thing". I will register and read his posts. I place you and snoredog the same in my admiration for your intelligence and knowledge. Snoredog speaking more towards the layman and you speaking on the PHD scale of over my head...

I would really like to get my NPSG data and have you read it if you can be a real man and forgive my turpitude?

Browser wrote:I didn't want to mention this for fear of ridicule but I was fine at the sleep study up until the Tech. started to clean spots and glue leads to me. At that point when I smelled the cleaner or glue I felt real anxious and short of breath which made me more anxious. I also felt light headed or a little dizzy and had a burning in my throat that lasted till last night and I still feel it today but it is better. I then felt like I was going in to a panic attack and got real warm and started sweating and heart racing. I mentioned it to the Tech. while looking real calm and he said it was probably the fumes. Then when I layed down I could smell it and on top of that I couldn't fall asleep and was fighting this panic feeling of wanting to rip everything off and just go home.

Ask them if they used collodion to glue the electrodes on.
http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/c5060.htm

Now that I read that MSDS I recall the RPSGT saying it might be the Ether? I know on my last PSG they didn't glue anything but the girl in the morning said this guy likes to glue some of them. My first PSG I remember being glued years ago. But I don't remember the same reaction.

The technician that removed it used a metal bottle that said acetone. I told her I didn't know it was safe to use acetone on skin and she said it wasn't the same as the stuff you would get in a hardware store.

The original technician that glued them on had a hacking cough,maybe thats why.

Maybe I have some form of multiple chemical sensitivity or something. I didn't like the sudden feelings that overcame me at all.

Browser, there are a variety of products a sleep lab can use to "glue" the electrodes on. Collodion is one of them, but I've read quite a few sleep techs commenting on how they hate those fumes (yes, the ether) from collodion, or have commented on how some patients complain about the strong smell -- especially if the room is not extremely well ventilated. I believe I've read about another type called Collodion II, (perhaps doesn't have ether in it?), but still has a very strong smell.

I think a lot of labs have stopped using Collodion and use EC-2, or Elefix, or 10-20 paste instead...lots of other things that don't have that smell. A poll I saw on a message board that sleep techs frequent was asking what they use for the hook-ups. Collodion was wayyyy behind. The majority used something else.

If the tech said, "might be the ether", it sounds like you were having a physical reaction to collodion.

-SWS wrote:Slinky, good for you for filling out that HIPAA request! Let us know how that turns out.

So far, not so great. They sent me everything I already had - except the Tech's Notes which I had gotten already. No mention of a CD or if they could produce one or not. So, not being bashful, another request mentioning the full data is part of my medical records and thus subject to HIPAA .... will have that in tomorrow's mail. I won't CC it to DHHS this time but ... if another request is required it will be cc'd to DHHS and will include a formal complaint. Gads! I just have trouble believing this of Mayo!!!!! It just is NOT the norm for them!!! (But it DOES make me wonder now if they were being truthful when they said they no longer had the pictures taken during my resection .....)

Browser wrote:you can be a real man and forgive my turpitude?

Of course! I already said that!

Browser wrote:I would really like to get my NPSG data and have you read it

No. You didn't "come clean" till you got caught again, you have newfound morality only because you think it will get you something you want. Just because SAG is covered with vines doesn't mean he just fell off the melon wagon.

SAG

I'm kinda late getting to this thread. Haven't been reading much that requires thinking - still kinda out-of-kilter with the news about John. I know he mentioned in the past having a cardiac and stroke history, and having lost his father suddenly to a heart attack when he was just a teenager.

About a sleep study CD - I was told that they didn't give CDs to patients because they can be opened by only the lab software that was used. I used to work in a hospital and at a staffing agency, and I remember there being discussion about which records a patient has a right to. Apparently some things were considered the doctor's records and we were not required to release them. So much has changed in that regard, so if anyone knows what we have a legal right to these days, I'd like to know.

About the mental health subject, there were two periods of time in my life where I had struggles. One was when at the age of 23 my husband was murdered and I had 5 year old and 2 day old daughters. My last words with my husband were on the phone from my hospital room. The call went terribly wrong and our last words were an arguement - and I was entirely to blame. In my mind I took it so far as to think that his death was my fault, because had we not been at odds, he would have been at the hospital at the time of the shooting. I was on lots of meds after that and they made me even worse with irrational thinking and pervasive repetitive negative thoughts. Now, this is not intended to be an attempt to convince anyone of anything, just saying that if it were not for a group of loving people from a church that took me under their wing, I don't know where I would have ended up. I accepted the concepts of forgiveness and unconditional love and my mind began to heal. It took a year or more of chasing negative thoughts away with countering concepts, sometimes over and over and over. At some point I got better.

The other times have been in recent years. I don't understand it, but there is something about Periodic Limb Movement Disorder (or its meds?) that causes what I can only describe as "stuck thoughts" at night. Doesn't happen often any more, but when it did, it was like I was stuck somewhere between awake and asleep in a state of exteme agitation, and can't get out. I will hear one sentence or phrase repeatedly for hundreds of times over the night. Even if I wake up and get up then lay back down, it starts over. Absolutely maddening!

Just saying that there are many who have their private battles, and a few who are comfortable sharing them. Has nothing to do with weakness. I do hope you get your apnea treatment on an even keel and see how well your mind responds to proper sleep.

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Browser wrote:I am also curious about the man, John. Was he in a sleep disorders related position? He must have been to be so knowledgeable right or was he just a very smart person who did a lot of reading on the subject and had the ability to understand everything so well? What did John do? Was he really this Dizzy that SAG wrote about?

I think John was a troubled man who had a number of events in his life happen that created a lot of inner turmoil, much of it having to do with where he thought he should be in relation to "the guy thing".

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SAG

OK SAG, I read every post made by John AKA Dizzy AKA Snoredog and I see no reason for your statement above. I also find it sad that you feel the need to insult a dead man who can't defend himself and that says a lot about you.