PSG and MSLT results

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PSG and MSLT results

Post by DreamDiver » Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:53 pm

My PSG an MSLT results are in. I know this post rambles, so please bare with me...
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The doc said that while narcolepsy may be indicated, it would be better to do another MSLT to confirm because they didn't get enough data. He said I didn't sleep enough during the night study - it may have affected my MSLT. Not sleeping enough made it easier for me to fall asleep during the day. Well that makes sense, but I think the real concern is not narcolepsy. My concern from the beginning has been that I'm not getting restorative sleep. On page 7 of the PSG, The hypnogram shows no stage 3 or 4 sleep. My first PSG had no stage 3 or 4 sleep. The MSLT also showed no stage 3 or 4 sleep. From what I have understood, these stages are important for physical bodily recuperative sleep.

When I look at my oximetry reports, I notice that if my heart rate is generally above 60 bpm when I'm awake. When I'm asleep, it's generally down around 50 bpm or below. When I look at the time spent at around 50 bpm, it exactly mirrors what's been seen in the lab - about 60-70% of my time is spent asleep - usually about four hours or less. The point is, it wouldn't matter how many hours I spent in the lab bed, I'd still only show 70% sleep efficiency or less. The MSLT results will be the same because I'm always able to sleep. Any where, any time.

I agree with him that it's good to be skeptical about narcolepsy, but suspect this data is really not important. I've always been able to fall asleep on a whim because I'm always tired. I've always had catalepsy and never had cataplexy. I feel like this is a non-issue to me because it doesn't hamper my ability to drive or interact on a day to day basis other than that I need to nap if I can.

I suspect the real problem is that I'm not getting enough stage three and four sleep. None. My body is falling apart. My brain is becoming cheese. Shouldn't I ask him to prove to me there is a good reason to do an MSLT, rather than redoing the night study to look at why I'm not getting deep sleep? The night study only lasted 6 hours, and was supposed to continue on until about 8am, but they stopped it at 5:50am. They didn't do the last of five naps during the MSLT. I'm curious why they stopped early in both tests if they didn't have enough data. Why aren't they paying attention to the lack of stage 3 and 4 sleep?

I slept right there in the lab as well as I would at home. Wires don't phase me. If I were to come in for an MSLT, I'd have to drive three hours early in the morning just to get there, actually sleeping less than if I were to have stayed there and slept in the lab. I would still be skewing my results towards a possible false positive for narcolepsy. If I came up the the day before and slept at a hotel, I'd still likely sleep as little because it's not 'home', still skewing any MSLT results. Argh. Am I wrong to think they should do the whole thing over again at their own expense and gather longer data?

I'm going to talk with the sleep doc about what he wants to do next on Thursday. Two things I want out of our meeting are: a. a new prescription for an auto cpap machine, and b. a clear path to the next thing to do. If he can't convince me that an MSLT is important, I want him to study why I'm not getting stage 3 and 4 sleep. If someone can give me some clear feedback as to what a good approach would be, I would appreciate it.

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Re: PSG and MSLT results

Post by kteague » Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:55 pm

I agree with you that the focus needs to be on how to improve your sleep. If your nights don't change, there is no reason to expect your days to. I think you could tell your doctor just like you've told us that you believe if the sleep issues are resolved the daytime symptoms may well also, and that to repeat the MSLT with nothing changed would not likely reveal anything new. Ask them point blank what is causing your sleep stages to not be normal. Based on the data, what happened during stage 2 that prevented you from going deeper? If they cannot answer you questions, ask what else can be done to make that determination. You may want to get a second opinion.

Tell your doctor you'll schedule another MSLT if still needed after your sleep is addressed. They shouldn't argue with that, it's makes perfect sense.

Does your test mention anything about limb movements? They prevented me from getting deep sleep for years.

Just don't stop asking if the answers seem to have a period after them. At one point I had to say to my doctor, then what's next, because I need answers. He was more than willing to do more, but just needed to know that I felt it was a true need. Best wishes as you sort thru this.

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Re: PSG and MSLT results

Post by DreamDiver » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:54 am

Thanks kteague,

I don't have restless legs.
I'm going to make a list of what I want to say because I'm better writing than I am speaking.

Tomorrow's the day.

Wish me luck.

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Re: PSG and MSLT results

Post by -SWS » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:19 am

DreamDiver wrote:I think the real concern is not narcolepsy. My concern from the beginning has been that I'm not getting restorative sleep.
Bear in mind that narcolepsy is a disorder entailing difficulty in maintaining both maintenance of wakefulness and proper sleep drive. Narcoleptics typically can't maintain proper sleep drive at night and they typically can't maintain proper wake drive during the day.

Good luck from me as well!

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Re: PSG and MSLT results

Post by DreamDiver » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:52 am

SWS,

Thanks for your reply and good wishes.
So you're saying that this possible atypical narcolepsy is indicative that there is a problem and should not just be dismissed as unimportant, but rather a clue to the wider puzzle. Also, this implies that even if they had kept me longer for both tests, the results would likely have been relatively unchanged.

If not an MSLT, I wonder what the next step should be?

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Re: PSG and MSLT results

Post by jnk » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:09 am

Only one man's opinion, but here I go:

I would not fight the docs if they want to gather more data with another study. If nothing else, another study might give them better baseline values that they can use later to evaluate treatment effectiveness.

May it go well.
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Re: PSG and MSLT results

Post by -SWS » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:41 am

I also think another MSLT is a good idea---especially since SOREMs during naps in the middle of the day (while relatively well-rested) help with much-needed albeit extremely difficult differential diagnosis.

Not to confuse stereotypical narcolepsy with typical narcolepsy. Stereotypical narcoleptic symptom presentations are far from typical. Part of what makes narcolepsy such a difficult diagnosis is that symptom presentations can vary so widely across the narcoleptic patient population.

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Re: PSG and MSLT results

Post by DreamDiver » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:19 am

Okay, I've spoken with the sleep doc. I got a new prescription for an autopap. (Thanks!) He agreed that having to drive three hours to get there in the early morning or staying overnight in a hotel would likely skew results. I'm not sure that doing an MSLT would give me anything more than a prescription for provigil. I'd rather avoid drugs, if I can.

He wasn't familiar with alternatives to drugs like neurofeedback treatment. However, my PCP was and actually could recommend a neurofeedback specialist. So I think I'm going to try that route first. If this doesn't work for me, I'll go back to the MSLT method and consider provigil.

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