Philips sales halted ==> cpap shortage?

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Philips sales halted ==> cpap shortage?

Post by dh37 » Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:11 pm

I see Philips is in pretty big trouble with the FDA (https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 024-01-29/).

How much market share have they had historically? I'm a little paranoid that the supply of machines will go way down, and if my machine breaks (I'm a Resmed user) I won't be able to get a replacement for a long time, which would be very, very bad. (So I was thinking of getting an extra machine, though that would cost a few hundred as insurance wouldn't cover it, and I'd have to somehow get my prescription to the online seller I have in mind, which is a hassle I'd rather not deal with if I could be persuaded that my paranoid concern is overblown.)

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Re: Philips sales halted ==> cpap shortage?

Post by ChicagoGranny » Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:21 pm

dh37 wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:11 pm
if my machine breaks (I'm a Resmed user) I won't be able to get a replacement for a long time
I won't make any predictions about shortages, but most experienced users recommend that everyone keep a backup machine even in times when machines are plentiful. I always have.

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Re: Philips sales halted ==> cpap shortage?

Post by lazarus » Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:59 pm

dh37 wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:11 pm
How much market share have they had historically?
As of 2015, nearly a third of the U.S. market, as I understand it:
"The sleep apnea devices market is highly consolidated, with ResMed and Philips Respironics accounting for a considerable percentage of the overall revenue. Other manufacturers include Natus Medical, Fisher & Paykel Healthcare, DeVilbiss Healthcare, and CareFusion. For instance, ResMed is the market leader (with ~45% of market share), followed by Philips (30%), and Fisher/Paykel (12%). The remaining 13% of the market space is being divided up between many other small players (InnoMed, DeVilbiss, Drive, and TAP, just to name a few). These companies all focus on a full range of sleep products."--https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data ... %20a%20few
And as for . . .
dh37 wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:11 pm
if I could be persuaded that my paranoid concern is overblown.
My imaginary black-ops-dream-police buddies wanted me to pass along to you that everyone is most certainly out to get you.
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Re: Philips sales halted ==> cpap shortage?

Post by Janknitz » Fri Feb 09, 2024 4:05 pm

When Philips had to recall all their machines, there definitely was a shortage for a while. But as far as I can tell, ResMed has picked up the slack to the point where our hosts at cpap.com are selling ResMed Autoset 10's at a third of the former retail price, and they seem to have plenty in stock. I am also seeing some people are getting other brands from DME's (e.g. Luna) and especially in Europe, but I don't know if those are good machines and I don't think they work with Oscar or Sleep HQ.

I was due for a new one anyway (my last machine "exceeded it's predicted motor life") but I got one for around $300 late last year from cpap.com. Now they are up to $449 https://www.cpap.com/productpage/resmed ... t-humidair But that's still much less than the $1200 it used to cost retail. Meanwhile, if you have DME coverage, you and your insurance company will pay at least $1,200 for a new machine. Crazy!

I'm keeping my old machine as a backup, but if you're worried, now might be a good time to buy a backup if you don't have one (or see if they have holiday sales at the end of the year again).
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Re: Philips sales halted ==> cpap shortage?

Post by lazarus » Fri Feb 09, 2024 7:20 pm

dh37 wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:11 pm
paranoid that the supply of machines will go way down,
Not if ResMed's Singapore plant has its way. According to ResMed CEO Mick Farrell:
“We have the capability in that plant to take the whole of the market’s needs for production."--https://www.medicaldesignandoutsourcing ... ap-demand/
My only fear is that once ResMed becomes a virtual worldwide monopoly in high-quality PAP blowers, pricing for online-purchasing patients could go back to being ugly again. ResMed has already shown its true colors years ago with its aggressive online pricing controls.

Just sharing my paranoia. :)
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Re: Philips sales halted ==> cpap shortage?

Post by chunkyfrog » Sat Feb 10, 2024 8:14 pm

It's only paranoia if they are really NOT out to get you.
:lol:
In addition, if shortages are limited to Philips models; no biggie, really.

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Re: Philips sales halted ==> CPAP shortage?

Post by D.H. » Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:42 pm

There won't be a shortage long-term. ResMed, Fisher & Paykel, and other manufactures will pick up the slack.

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