DR. BRONNER’S LIQUID SOAP

roster · Post by **roster** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:03 pm

I am getting low on liquid Ivory soap which I use for daily washing of my mask. So I thought to look into Dr. Bronner's soap which is often recommended on this forum.

Much to my surprise I found these ingredients: Saponified Organic Coconut, Palm & Olive oils (w/ retained Glycerin), Water, Organic Hemp Oil, Organic Jojoba Oil, Salt, Citric Acid, Vitamin E. http://www.drbronner.com/drb_sai_liquids.html.

This sounds like something I don't want on my mask, face or feathers! Five oils, glycerin, salt and citric acid?

What gives? Am I looking at the right soap?

Vader · Post by **Vader** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:09 pm

What gives? Am I looking at the right soap?

I'm afraid so.

You may want to consider Seventh Generation liquid dish soap.
No dyes, no fragrance, and at a fraction of the cost!

You won't be disappointed.

rustynail · Post by **rustynail** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:29 pm

I don't know about anyone else around here but what I really don't want on my face is the $%&/"§ MASK

All joking aside, I use baby shampoo. I figure that's pretty gentle and relatively safe......

birdshell · Post by **birdshell** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:19 pm

In other threads, many Forum Folk said they have used products with all kinds of additives for years and noticed no difference in their mask/interfaces.

That said, it seems to me that Dr. Bronner's has a few different products.

Personally, I use Ivory UNSCENTED dish soap. I hope it will be available when I am done with the big bottle. I had it on hand, and it is several years old.

As I've mentioned, many products have a masking fragrance when they say unscented. Fragrance-free is usually just that.

Sometimes the baby shampoo can be found for sensitive skin which usually is fragrance-free.

christinequilts · Post by **christinequilts** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:29 pm

So what do you think Ivory has in it? Lets see..bonus points if you can pronounce all of the ingredients-

Ivory Liquid Clear & Ivory Dish Washing Liquid
Same ingredients, according to http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/index.htm
Fragrance Perfumes
Tetrasodium EDTA (salt)
Citric Acid (typically used as a preservative; don't assume it comes from citrus, as most citric acid in the US is made from corn)
Lauramide diethanolamine (DEA) (detergent & surfactant, can be made from coconut oil; used as to create a creamy texture and foaming action)
Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (another surfactant/foaming agent, fatty alcohol; can also be made from coconut oil)
DMDM hydantoin (preservative that works by releasing formaldehyde into the product)
Sodium chloride (salt)
Water
Sodium sulfate (detergent)
Sodium laureth sulfate (surfactant, derivative of polyethylene glycol (active ingredient in GoLytely laxative) and lauryl alcohol)
cocoamidopropylbetaine (amphoteric surfactant, used as a cleanser, has mild conditioning properties; derived from coconut fatty acids)

The biggest difference in Dr Bronners & Ivory Liquids, is Bronners is a true soap & Ivory Liquids are a cross between soap & detergent. I've used Dr Bronners (diluted) some for my masks, more often I use whatever face cleanser I happen to be using at the time since I usually wash both at the same time. Everyone has to find what works best for them, though it should be something gentle, little or no fragrance, no moisturizers, etc.

For comparison, I included the ingredients for Ivory Bar Soap & Dawn Dish Washing Liquid. Personally, I can't use Dawn even for my dishes, as its to harsh & drying, so I would never consider using it on a mask that is going to be in contact with my face for several hours a night. Looking at its limited ingredient list, the Ethanol Alcohol (AKA- denatured alcohol) is probably the culprit & not something that would be good for silicone- IMHO.

Ivory Classic Bar Soap
Fragrance Perfumes
Magnesium sulfate (Epsom salts)
Sodium chloride (salt)
Water
Sodium tallowate (made from sodium hydroxide (AKA: caustic soda or lye), steam, and animal fat (tallow), Saponification process)
Sodium cocoate (mixture of fatty acid salts of coconut oil)
Sodium palm kernelate (mixture of fatty acid salts of palm oil)
Sodium silicates (unspecified) (alkaline salts)

Dawn Dish Washing Liquid... isn't as forthcoming with its ingredients:
Fragrance/Perfumes
Surfactant(s)- unspecified
Ethanol/SD alcohol
Water
Colorant/Pigment/Dye(s)
Dispensing/stabilizing/buffering agents(s)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:43 pm

If I recall my "history" lesson right soap in the colonies was made from tallow (beef fat) mixed with lye.

Sandi · Post by **Sandi** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:21 am

I would not use Dr. Bronner's soap. The Ivory liquid would be better.

If you don't mind the price, here is the absolute best:

"Cetaphil® Daily Facial Cleanser For Normal to Oily Skin is effective for normal, combination or oily skin. Its non-irritating formula is designed to remove surface oils, dirt and makeup without leaving skin feeling tight or overly dry. It is a foaming cleanser that leaves skin with a clean feeling. It doesn’t leave behind any irritating residue and is non-comedogenic.

Ingredients: Purified Water, PEG-200 Hydrogenated Glyceryl Palmate (and) PEG-7 Glyceryl Cocoate, Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate, Acrylates/Steareth-20 Methacrylate Copolymer, Glycerin, Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Butylene Glycol, Phenoxyethanol, Masking Fragrance, Panthenol, PEG-60 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Disodium EDTA, Methylparaben."

I don't like the price but due to skin problems it is the only thing I will clean my face or mask with. BTW, I am fortunate to have a naturally dark complexion and rarely use any cosmetics.

nomad · Post by **nomad** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:22 am

I just use whatever hand soap is in the dispenser at the time. I think I've used Dawn dish soap from time to time too. After almost 1700 hours on CPAP, my seals still seem to be in good shape.

IMHO, I really don't think it's necessary to go the extra step to find "special" soaps to wash your equipment. I don't know about the rest of you, but my treatment impedes on my life enough as it is... But, if you have sensitive skin, I guess that's another issue.

Has anyone ever had an equipment failure that they can 100% directly attribute to using "improper" (regular) soap to clean with?

whatrdreamsmadeof · Post by **whatrdreamsmadeof** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:34 am

I agree with sandi, a dermatologist told me the same and also there is a bar soap cheap called Pears it has the same ingredients as cetaphil maybe a bit of scent.. just my 2 cents

Snoozin' Bluezzz · Post by **Snoozin' Bluezzz** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:38 am

nomad wrote:Has anyone ever had an equipment failure that they can 100% directly attribute to using "improper" (regular) soap to clean with?

That's a really good question. Let's hear it folks.

That being said, I have become a fan of the Seventh Generation Dish Soap. Mostly, I guess, because it is utterly scentless. I only use soap once a week or so. The rest of the time it is the vinegar spritz.

David

Sandi · Post by **Sandi** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:17 am

whatrdreamsmadeof: Thanks for the tip, I will look for the Pears soap at my local Dollar Tree which Pears lists as one of their retail sellers. That will be great if I find a cheaper alternative to Cetaphil.

Snoozin' Bluezzz: I never had an equipment failure because of the wrong soap. On the other hand, I had some nasty pimples which cleared up when I went back to the Cetaphil soap. At night the irritation where the mask rubbed caused me to sleep poorly and feel poorly for several days. This is just as bad as an equipment failure.

rooster: Thanks for starting the thread.

tooly125 · Post by **tooly125** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 3:50 pm

nomad wrote:I just use whatever hand soap is in the dispenser at the time.

Thats exactly what I use Nomad.

I wash the bathroom sink out then fill it, a couple of squirts of whatever hand soap is on the sink agitate the water until there are suds.

I am washing my mask in the diluted soap and water mixture then rinsing it well with clear water.
I can see no way this would damage what is basically a chunk of plastic and a chunk of silicon.

I can understand people with sensitive skin needing to find the right soap.

GoofyUT · Post by **GoofyUT** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:53 pm

From Wikipedia, CASTILE soap refers to soaps that are made xclusively from vegetable oils, not animal fats. Dr. Bronner's is PURE CASTILE SOAP (as the above post regarding its ingredients confirms). The variety of vegetable oils in it are saponified to make the castile soap, and the glycerin is a natural by-product (from the stripped out triglycerides in the vegetable oil). You can't find anything more pure and gentle than Dr. Bronner's. I've used it exclusively since I began xPAP, and I'm still using my original Swift with the original pillows, though I wash it every week in Dr. Bronner's. Even the scented varieties are from natural vegetable oils (peppermint oil, eucalyptus oil, teatree oil, almond oil, etc., whichever you choose) and NOT from chemical fragrances. I currently use the "baby-mild" unscented variety to wash my mask parts, though I'm gonna switch to TeaTree when I run out, cause I like the scent. But, the scented varieties offer NO additional risk of harm to the silicon.

Chuck

birdshell · Post by **birdshell** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:39 pm

Sandi wrote:I would not use Dr. Bronner's soap. The Ivory liquid would be better.

If you don't mind the price, here is the absolute best:

"Cetaphil® Daily Facial Cleanser For Normal to Oily Skin is effective for normal, combination or oily skin. Its non-irritating formula is designed to remove surface oils, dirt and makeup without leaving skin feeling tight or overly dry. It is a foaming cleanser that leaves skin with a clean feeling. It doesn’t leave behind any irritating residue and is non-comedogenic.

Ingredients: Purified Water, PEG-200 Hydrogenated Glyceryl Palmate (and) PEG-7 Glyceryl Cocoate, Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate, Acrylates/Steareth-20 Methacrylate Copolymer, Glycerin, Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Butylene Glycol, Phenoxyethanol, Masking Fragrance, Panthenol, PEG-60 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Disodium EDTA, Methylparaben."

I don't like the price but due to skin problems it is the only thing I will clean my face or mask with. BTW, I am fortunate to have a naturally dark complexion and rarely use any cosmetics.

Sandy, I just thought you and maybe some others would be interested:

A few years back my dermatologist had me use Cetaphil. It is pricey, but at Rite Aid (shudder) there was a Rite Aid house cleanser that looked just like the Cetaphil. Reading the ingredients showed that they were identical, even down to the order listed. As you know, the ingredients are listed in order of amount used. The 'generic' version was almost half the price.

If you decide to try the off-brand 'generic', be sure to read the ENTIRE ingredients list and compare to the Cetaphil ingredients. Rite Aid only carried the same formula cleanser for a while, and then started putting a different formula into the same type of bottle. So, it would be wise to read and compare the ingredients EACH time you buy.

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