Fort Hood Shooter - Ambien and Sleep Disorder

[zoocrewphoto]

his could be part of depression for not being at his moms funeral

we may never hear the truth
but i would say whoever refused him leave to attend family funerals played a huge role in this
if he was not is a combat role there is prob no reason he should have been denied

emergency leave is certainly not free time
but comes out of the soldiers accrued leave of 30 day each year

like i said we may never hear the whole truth

The news reported yesterday that the funeral was delayed a week so that he could attend. He was given one day, and later granted a second day. So, while it may not be much time, he was granted leave and did get to attend the funeral.

[Goofproof]

I guess we'll never know now; he's dead.

He took the self cure, just didn't use it before hurting others.

[Guest]

And yes, I am being a hypocrite and letting you search the article yourself without highlighting anything.

49er

not a chance
could be a link to a virus infected site
but ems has her big girl panties on
just way too judgemental for me

the link serves like a reference on a term paper

[49er]

And yes, I am being a hypocrite and letting you search the article yourself without highlighting anything.

49er

not a chance
could be a link to a virus infected site
but ems has her big girl panties on
just way too judgemental for me

the link serves like a reference on a term paper

Guest,

What is your point with all your posts as it seems like all you have done is be critical of the points I have made that have nothing to do with the issues that have been raised and now EMS who in my opinion has written very reasonable messages?

Also, as a general point, I want to stress that no matter what the reason was for the shootings, the main focus should be on the survivors and loved ones of the folks tragically killed, including the shooter's family.

49er

[nanwilson]

OhHelpMe likes to post this type of thread just stir the pot and to get people going. He said the same thing "oh had to be sleep apnea", when the train disaster came about concerning the train engineer. Everything is not about sleep apnea, there can be very many other reasons why some one falls off the rails. And for the record.... yes.. someone can have PTSD without having been in combat.. Lets let the EXPERTS dissect this mans problems, and lets NOT get at each others throats over something someone else did. OHM, you are not an expert and neither are any of us, you just like to start argumentative threads.
Peace please.....

[Loreena]

In '96 my brother starting waking up in the middle of the night with his heart racing and as he put it, "the room was spinning." He was terrified of going to bed, as this would continually happen. This continued over the course of about 5 weeks, with him coming and going to doctors, psychologists, and preachers. He would force himself to stay awake for fear of sleeping. No one...Ever....mentioned sleep apnea, and I did not know about it either. The psychologist prescribed Zanax, Zoloft, until he finally begged to be admitted to the hospital psyche ward (the admitting psychiatrist (who was off-site and communicated over the phone) harassed him about admitting him while my brother sat in the waiting room). Finally they admitted him, only to hang himself less than 6 hours later in a room with the bedsheet and a room that could be locked. When we sued, it took over a year to get the records, at which point, among other things, we found out that someone had noted in the records: "[word for pretending to be sick." Of course, now, I know it was a drop in blood oxygen, as he was having apnea, which was causing the "spinning room," and the panic attacks, as well as the racing heart.. But I guess in '96--no one thought about it. Shortly before he died, he had mentioned some homicidal ideation towards a coworker. We did sue, and the hospital settled out of court. The psychologists should have been sued to, IMO. When I told this story to a dentist, he said: Yes, indeed, your brother was going into "Code Blue" from the lack of oxygen. At the time we sued, still no one mentioned sleep apnea. But I know now that was what happened.

[CowFish]

Loreena, So sorry for your brother, you and the rest of the family. So sad and preventable if the medical profession did not overlook sleep apnea.

But I guess in '94--no one thought about it.

Sorry to say it is still going on in 2014. Sleep apnea is still greatly overlooked by much of the medical profession.

Like this Fort Hood shooter, did he have a sleep study? I agree with the person who said why is the press not asking about a sleep study. It shows our society does not understand how many people are affected by sleep apnea and they do not understand the devastating consequences.

[CowFish]

OhHelpMe likes to post this type of thread just stir the pot and to get people going. He said the same thing "oh had to be sleep apnea", when the train disaster came about concerning the train engineer. Everything is not about sleep apnea, there can be very many other reasons why some one falls off the rails. And for the record.... yes.. someone can have PTSD without having been in combat.. Lets let the EXPERTS dissect this mans problems, and lets NOT get at each others throats over something someone else did. OHM, you are not an expert and neither are any of us, you just like to start argumentative threads.
Peace please.....

I read the OP and see nothing at all objectionable in it. I think it is perfectly appropriate for this forum giving the history of a wide range of topics about sleep that are regularly discussed at length here. That some people (You maybe?) go off the deep end when a discussion has opposing opinions does not mean the discussion is inappropriate.

I personally think every single person presenting with emotional health problems should be screened for sleep disorders and promptly sent for sleep studies. Maybe intense discussions in this forum will, by happenstance, cause some journalists to notice the problem and give it more attention.

[zoocrewphoto]

But I guess in '94--no one thought about it.

Sorry to say it is still going on in 2014. Sleep apnea is still greatly overlooked by much of the medical profession.

So true. In 2008, I had an irregular heart beat with somewhat high blood pressure. The cardiologist didn't find anything wrong with a standard checkup and stress test. He said it could have been caused by the bad asthma problem I had experienced the week before. (I went to a cat show in a facility that had previously flooded near the ceiling. I could tell pretty quickly that there must still be mold as my breathing got worse immediately).

By 2011, I was on 3 medications for high blood pressure and still above the normal range. My doctor was warning me that my high blood pressure putting me at risk of a stroke. She never once asked about me sleep. She was also my mom's doctor, and my mom had been diagnosed with sleep apnea 20 years earlier. I have the classic build. Narrow airways, small mouth, small chin, and multiple reasons for my airways to get smaller (asthma, allergies). I only got treated for sleep apnea because *I* confessed and asked for the sleep study. I had an ahi of 79 in the first 2 1/2 hours. Never made it to deep sleep or REM before getting the titration phase. So much better now.

[Guest]

Guest,

What is your point with all your posts as it seems like all you have done is be critical of the points I have made that have nothing to do with the issues that have been raised and now EMS who in my opinion has written very reasonable messages?

my point was simply to point out what you were asking others to do
in case you forgot

Todz, as an fyi, when you provide a link that has a very long article in response to concerns someone has raised as Julie did in this situation, it might be helpful to highlight the part of the article that is relevant. As someone who has difficulty even reading reasonably length articles for various reasons, I found find that very helpful.

49er

it appears you did not forget

while i do not think this event was related to apnea
i thought this was being judgemental

Weak chin... fat chin... ridiculous and unnecessary thread!

apparently others did too

you thought it was

very reasonable messages?

that says something about you

[ems]

Yup... and what it says about you, "Guest", is that you are one of those miserable people who just love to stir the pot... and to think we walk among you!

[space45]

no pot stirring here, but someone that has had mild apnea for a short time can not begin to understand someone that has had sever or extreme apnea for a very long time.

add to that bug pills and sleeping pills and you have a very sad and dangerous combination, any sane person sleep deprived long enough will go insane. one bad thing about sleeping pills I was told is it can and most likely will make the apnea worse by relaxing you more when you sleep, so you go to sleep faster but sleep worse, how is that any good?

I have had what was termed by sleep experts as extremely extreme sleep apnea, they said it, not me, the worse they had ever seen. now I said no to bug pills and sleeping pills, but if I did not say no would I be in the news for doing something really stupid? multi car crash or some sort of shooting spree or something? I was in a single car crash a year ago, was it from being impaired by lack of sleep? maybe. could it have been a multi car pile up, for sure as I was about 0.5 to 1 second away from hitting a group of cars and semis head on. I passed just in front of a tight group of cars and semi trucks on a 2 lane highway. I was very lucky that day and unlucky at the same time.

by the way having guns and tons of ammo does not make you a bad person or that you intend to be a bad person or do bad things, I have enough supplies to make close to 10,000 rounds of ammo, that is on top of the over 5,000 rounds I have, that sound like a lot but most of the 5,000 is 22 long rifle and it is cheaper to buy it 5000 at a time so I do. and the reloading is cheaper to buy primers 5,000 at a time so I do. so I end up with allot of ammo. also have, not sure just how many but some where around 40 rifles and 3 hand guns and god only knows how many pellet guns. Am I a wacko getting geared up to go nuts....heck no. I hunt and target shoot, and target shooters know one can go through a boat load of rounds over a weekend shooing all day, and how much that can cost and that saving money is a good thing so buy in bulk.

owning guns and tons of ammo does not make one a bad man or even say he is gearing up to go shooting someone, in fact, if your going to go on a shooting rampage you would not waste the money on tons of ammo. 2 boxes of hand guns round is more then most would use. and ammo in a shooting rampage is no good with out clips to hold it for reloading the gun, so the number of clips is a way better indicator of intent. 10,000 rounds and one clip means your only bringing at most 16 rounds to the fight. the rest is a big waste of time and money, so if he had 10,000 rounds that would say to me he is going target shooting and not on a shooting rampage. so no intent of a rampage at all can be implied by the number of rounds, in fact, the opposite would be the case. he was wanting to go out and have fun shooting at a range or some place safe to shoot as that is the ONLY place where one would want or need lots of rounds of ammo.

if he only bought one box then I would worry. that is about one hour at the range if you go slow. I have gone through over 500 rounds in one day at the range, and no full auto involved.

[nanwilson]

no pot stirring here, but someone that has had mild apnea for a short time can not begin to understand someone that has had sever or extreme apnea for a very long time.

add to that bug pills and sleeping pills and you have a very sad and dangerous combination, any sane person sleep deprived long enough will go insane. one bad thing about sleeping pills I was told is it can and most likely will make the apnea worse by relaxing you more when you sleep, so you go to sleep faster but sleep worse, how is that any good?

I have had that was termed by sleep experts as extremely extreme sleep apnea, they said it, not me, the worse they had ever saw. now I said no to bug pills and sleeping pills, but if I did not say no would I be in the news for doing something really stupid? multi car crash or some sort of shooting spree or something? I was in a single car crash a year ago, was it from being impaired by lack of sleep? maybe. could it have been a multi car pile up, for sure as I was about 0.5 to 1 second away from hitting a group of cars and semis head on. I passed just in front of a tight group of cars and semi trucks on a 2 lane highway. I was very lucky that day and unlucky at the same time.

by the way having guns and tons of ammo does not make you a bad person or that you intend to be a bad person or do bad things, I have enough supplies to make close to 10,000 rounds of ammo, that is on top of the over 5,000 rounds I have, that sound like a lot but most of the 5,000 is 22 long rifle and it is cheaper to buy it 5000 at a time so I do. and the reloading is cheaper to buy primers a 5,000 at a time so I do. so I end up with allot of ammo. also have, not sure just how many but some where around 40 rifles and 3 hand guns and god only knows how many pellet guns. Am I a wacko getting geared up to go nuts....heck no. I hunt and target shoot, and target shooters know one can go through a boat load of rounds over a weekend shooing all day, and how much that can cost and that saving money is a good thing so buy in bulk.

owning guns and tons of ammo does not make one a bad man or even say he is gearing up to go shooting someone, in fact, if your going to go on a shooting rampage you would not waste the money on tons of ammo. 2 boxes of hand guns round is more then most would use. and ammo in a shooting rampage is no good with out clips to hold it for reloading the gun, so the number of clips is a way better indicator of intent. 10,000 rounds and one clip means your only bringing at most 16 rounds to the fight. the rest is a big waste of time and money, so if he had 10,000 rounds that would say to me he is going target shooting and not on a shooting rampage. so no intent of a rampage at all can be implied by the number of rounds, in fact, the opposite would be the case. he was wanting to go out and have fun shooting at a range or some safe to shoot as that is the ONLY place where one would want or need lots of rounds of ammo.

if he only bought one box then I would worry. that is about one hour at the range if you go slow. I have gone through over 500 rounds in one day at the range, and no full auto involved.

Sooooo..... are your "40 rifles, 3 hand guns and god only knows how many pellet guns" (quote) registered.... since you live in Canada it is the law to register all guns in your possession.

[space45]

the laws have changed so the rifles do not need to be registered, but yes all guns I owned at the time were registered, added a few since
all my hand guns do need to be and are registered
most of the pellet guns are under 500 FPS so classed as a toy and the ones that are not under that are rifles and do not need registering at this time.

like I said I am a law abiding guy, not out to do some crazy dumb or bad thing, just want to live and let live, be happy and not suffer from sleep deprivation...lol

Sooooo..... are your "40 rifles, 3 hand guns and god only knows how many pellet guns" (quote) registered.... since you live in Canada it is the law to register all guns in your possession.

[Todzo]

People can do some crazy stuff while on Ambien. My fiance broke up with me because I was not very much like Edward from Twilight while she was on ambien, and the next day I was planning how I was going to move out all my stuff and she didn't remember it at all and didn't feel that way at all! (we are still together like 6 years later and I am still not like Edward)

A buddy of mine left my apartment years ago after taking some ambien and turned left about 20 yards early trying to leave my parking lot straight into a hillside. We dragged him inside and put him on the couch, poor fellow.

The shooting is a little different, because I assume bringing the gun onto the base required some premeditation unless he had some kind of security job on the base, and from what I understand he had been in an argument about not getting leave time earlier in the day with one of the men he shot.

Now who knows, though, if sleep apnea could have been contributing to his depression and anxiety? Certainly possible.

Interesting google search: "Ambien homicide"

Zolpidem (Ambien)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3505131/