OSA & Frequent urination during the night

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Re: OSA & Frequent urination during the night

Post by idamtnboy » Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:13 pm

hbakar wrote:I feel very frustrated with all the doctors I had seen...None of them suggested that I could have OSA....even after everything they'd done failed....They even tried to get me to let them insert a pacemaker under my skin for muscle control , so I would stop pee so often....Thank God, I didn't agree that one.
I know there are really nice, considerate doctors out there who actually care about their patients, but I have hard time trusting any right now.

I just wanted to share what I had to go through...
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Re: OSA & Frequent urination during the night

Post by ems » Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:48 pm

I've learned a lot reading this thread. Since I've started using the machine three or so weeks ago, the big thing I've noticed is that I seldom get up to pee - use to get up 3-4 times a nite. Amazing really.

I'm still very tired and my headaches are hanging around... but I'm hopeful.
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Post by injun50@live.ca » Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:13 pm

Wow, i cant believe everything i just read, i have been on a cpap machine now for 5 weeks and have been telling many people i no longer get up in the middle of the night to use the can, even when i get up in the morning there is no huge urge to go. I also now sleep 7 hours straight without waking up once , what a lifechanger. I also have got off all prescribed drugs i was using to get to sleep/stay awake/lower anxiety that i was on for 5 years. The one thing I would like to say here is whatever your doctor tells you , Question It, research your own problem, find out the side effects of these drugs, unfortunately we live in a society of non care, basically the doctors dont want to hear about your problem as time is money, there answer is here is a pill that will help you , come back if you need more. Just saying.............

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Post by chunkyfrog » Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:19 pm

When an ancient thread is revived, we are reminded of friends we haven't seen in a long while.
I wonder where they are now.

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Re: OSA & Frequent urination during the night

Post by PreemieNrsTiffy » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:11 pm

This may be an old thread, but some of us are new to this so this is great stuff.

One of the huge miseries I had was frequent trips to the bathroom. I had even taken to severely restricting my fluid intake, which didn't seem to help much. It was rare for me to sleep straight through with bathroom trips ranging from once to four or five times a night. Also every time I would go to the bathroom, I couldn't go back to sleep and would need to take another 1/2 sleeping pill. What I didn't know is that the higher doses of sleeping meds were probably making the sleep apnea worse and waking me up even more often. What a vicious cycle!

My sleep lab technician had to be an angel, coming to unhook me for bathroom trips at least 4 times in my 6hr sleep study before CPAP was tried (we gave up early due to everyone's sheer misery). I had the same tech again a few weeks later for the titration study and I know I expected the frequent bathroom trips so I had severely fluid restricted all day in preparation. Imagine my amazement when I stayed in bed all night that night and she actually had to wake me up the next morning!

I still do awaken about once a night but that is a huge improvement for me.

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Re: OSA & Frequent urination during the night

Post by zoocrewphoto » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:29 pm

Before cpap, I was getting up 2-3 times a night. On rare occasions, 4 or 5. Probably years since I had only one bathroom trip or none.

I had a great night last night. I had several short nights due to some extra things I was doing and some travel, so I was pretty tired. I slept 6.3 hours straight which is already because my mask was wet, I thought due to drooling. I couldn't reach any kleenex to wipe it under my seal. As I took it off, it spit at me, so I must have had some water in the line.

I fell asleep again, without my mask on. I know, I am working on that. Strangely, I slept another 4 hours straight (i'm sure with apneas) until I had to use the bathroom. 10 hours before I had to use the bathroom. I don't know that I have ever gone that long in my life. And I wasn't in a big hurry either. I was awake thinking I didn't really want to get up yet,but I probably wasn't going to make it another couple hours, so I better go ahead and go to the bathroom.

Most nights, I now have one trip. And a really good night has no trips at all.

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Re: OSA & Frequent urination during the night

Post by Triadz » Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:33 pm

Having prostate issues myself and getting up 3 or 4 times a night I can relate. Now it's only once. Twice occasionally. I also have way more energy and focus. I truly believe that in time a lot of little things here and there will start to clear up.
Maybe that's why the doctors aren't diagnosing OSA because we they will start losing patients..
Thanks for your post.

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Re: OSA & Frequent urination during the night

Post by Stormynights » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:31 am

Last night I didn't have to get up at all during the night. It has been over 20 years or more that I had to get up numerous times during the night. Today I feel like crap. Night before last I had insomnia and was up most of the night and I felt pretty good. I don't understand this at all. I was so jealous of everyone that could go all night without bathroom breaks.

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Re: OSA & Frequent urination during the night

Post by MagsterMile » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:42 am

It's true, before I went on cpap, I usually had at least 2 trips to the bathroom every night. Now, it's rare that I have to even once at night. Thinking back, by the time I went in for the ASV titration, I didn't need to be unhooked by the tech to use the bathroom. It's been like a miracle.

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Re: OSA & Frequent urination during the night

Post by DreamStalker » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:05 am

hbakar wrote:... snip ...

I know there are really nice, considerate doctors out there who actually care about their patients, but I have hard time trusting any right now.
As well you should be ... your typical MD will generally kill you before they will help you.

The author is Dr. Barbara Starfield of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health and she desribes how the US health care system may contribute to poor health.

ALL THESE ARE DEATHS PER YEAR:

12,000 -- unnecessary surgery
7,000 -- medication errors in hospitals
20,000 -- other errors in hospitals
80,000 -- infections in hospitals
106,000 -- non-error, negative effects of drugs

These total to 225,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic causes!!

What does the word iatrogenic mean? This term is defined as induced in a patient by a physician's activity, manner, or therapy. Used especially of a complication of treatment.

Dr. Starfield offers several warnings in interpreting these numbers:

First, most of the data are derived from studies in hospitalized patients.
Second, these estimates are for deaths only and do not include negative effects that are associated with disability or discomfort.
Third, the estimates of death due to error are lower than those in the IOM report.

If the higher estimates are used, the deaths due to iatrogenic causes would range from 230,000 to 284,000. In any case, 225,000 deaths per year constitutes the third leading cause of death in the United States, after deaths from heart disease and cancer. Even if these figures are overestimated, there is a wide margin between these numbers of deaths and the next leading cause of death (cerebrovascular disease).

Another analysis concluded that between 4% and 18% of consecutive patients experience negative effects in outpatient settings,with:

116 million extra physician visits
77 million extra prescriptions
17 million emergency department visits
8 million hospitalizations
3 million long-term admissions
199,000 additional deaths
$77 billion in extra costs

The high cost of the health care system is considered to be a deficit, but seems to be tolerated under the assumption that better health results from more expensive care.

However, evidence from a few studies indicates that as many as 20% to 30% of patients receive inappropriate care.

An estimated 44,000 to 98,000 among them die each year as a result of medical errors.

This might be tolerated if it resulted in better health, but does it? Of 13 countries in a recent comparison, the United States ranks an average of 12th (second from the bottom) for 16 available health indicators. More specifically, the ranking of the US on several indicators was:

13th (last) for low-birth-weight percentages
13th for neonatal mortality and infant mortality overall
11th for postneonatal mortality
13th for years of potential life lost (excluding external causes)
11th for life expectancy at 1 year for females, 12th for males
10th for life expectancy at 15 years for females, 12th for males
10th for life expectancy at 40 years for females, 9th for males
7th for life expectancy at 65 years for females, 7th for males
3rd for life expectancy at 80 years for females, 3rd for males
10th for age-adjusted mortality

The poor performance of the US was recently confirmed by a World Health Organization study, which used different data and ranked the United States as 15th among 25 industrialized countries.

There is a perception that the American public "behaves badly" by smoking, drinking, and perpetrating violence." However the data does not support this assertion.

The proportion of females who smoke ranges from 14% in Japan to 41% in Denmark; in the United States, it is 24% (fifth best). For males, the range is from 26% in Sweden to 61% in Japan; it is 28% in the United States (third best).
The US ranks fifth best for alcoholic beverage consumption.
The US has relatively low consumption of animal fats (fifth lowest in men aged 55-64 years in 20 industrialized countries) and the third lowest mean cholesterol concentrations among men aged 50 to 70 years among 13 industrialized countries.

These estimates of death due to error are lower than those in a recent Institutes of Medicine report, and if the higher estimates are used, the deaths due to iatrogenic causes would range from 230,000 to 284,000.

Even at the lower estimate of 225,000 deaths per year, this constitutes the third leading cause of death in the US, following heart disease and cancer.

Lack of technology is certainly not a contributing factor to the US's low ranking.

Among 29 countries, the United States is second only to Japan in the availability of magnetic resonance imaging units and computed tomography scanners per million population. 17
Japan, however, ranks highest on health, whereas the US ranks among the lowest.
It is possible that the high use of technology in Japan is limited to diagnostic technology not matched by high rates of treatment, whereas in the US, high use of diagnostic technology may be linked to more treatment.
Supporting this possibility are data showing that the number of employees per bed (full-time equivalents) in the United States is highest among the countries ranked, whereas they are very low in Japan, far lower than can be accounted for by the common practice of having family members rather than hospital staff provide the amenities of hospital care.

Journal American Medical Association July 26, 2000;284(4):483-5

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Re: OSA & Frequent urination during the night

Post by Kenwood » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:13 am

Same here....prior to CPAP I had to get up and take a leak 2-3 times - but boy did I ever have a full bladder. Sometimes, I needed to ummm....change my wet shorts. The only thing my doctor could think was to send me to a urologist (which I didn't do). Now I never have to take a leak at night.

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Re: OSA & Frequent urination during the night

Post by Stormynights » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:23 am

Shouldn't you feel better sleeping all night instead of worse?

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Post by idamtnboy » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:42 am

DreamStalker wrote:

There is a perception that the American public "behaves badly" by smoking, drinking, and perpetrating violence." However the data does not support this assertion.

The proportion of females who smoke ranges from 14% in Japan to 41% in Denmark; in the United States, it is 24% (fifth best). For males, the range is from 26% in Sweden to 61% in Japan; it is 28% in the United States (third best).
The US ranks fifth best for alcoholic beverage consumption.
The US has relatively low consumption of animal fats (fifth lowest in men aged 55-64 years in 20 industrialized countries) and the third lowest mean cholesterol concentrations among men aged 50 to 70 years among 13 industrialized countries.
This goes along with a report on NPR the other day that researchers decided they need to look to see why people in Utah have fewer health problems than the population in general. It has always been assumed it was because of the low rates of smoking in Utah, but now more of the population, California in particular, nearly matches Utah in smoking rates but still have more health problems. So maybe the impact of smoking has been overestimated? But how can that be? The medical professionals had it all figured out years ago, right? Not!!

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Post by DreamStalker » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:27 am

idamtnboy wrote:
DreamStalker wrote:

There is a perception that the American public "behaves badly" by smoking, drinking, and perpetrating violence." However the data does not support this assertion.

The proportion of females who smoke ranges from 14% in Japan to 41% in Denmark; in the United States, it is 24% (fifth best). For males, the range is from 26% in Sweden to 61% in Japan; it is 28% in the United States (third best).
The US ranks fifth best for alcoholic beverage consumption.
The US has relatively low consumption of animal fats (fifth lowest in men aged 55-64 years in 20 industrialized countries) and the third lowest mean cholesterol concentrations among men aged 50 to 70 years among 13 industrialized countries.
This goes along with a report on NPR the other day that researchers decided they need to look to see why people in Utah have fewer health problems than the population in general. It has always been assumed it was because of the low rates of smoking in Utah, but now more of the population, California in particular, nearly matches Utah in smoking rates but still have more health problems. So maybe the impact of smoking has been overestimated? But how can that be? The medical professionals had it all figured out years ago, right? Not!!
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Re: OSA & Frequent urination during the night

Post by dos coyotes » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:43 am

Thanks to the OP for starting this thread. I too made the discovery that once on CPAP I was not getting up every two hours to pee. Some nights it was as if I'd set an alarm clock! Like many others, being a senior male, I assumed it was prostate issues and/or my diabetes. I'd just decided it was part of life. I was even taking medication for overactive bladder. And my bladder was never full, but the urge was strong.

Since being on CPAP it is very rare that I get up even once --- most nights I sleep soundly right thru 6 or 7 hours and even upon normal waking I don't have that urgent need to go first thing in the morning.

If anything I'm sleeping so soundly now I wake up with my knees or shoulder hurting cause I don't flip flop and constantly change positions all night, but we all have a cross to bear. Given the choices I'll take CPAP therapy any day!

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