OT OT: I heard Barack Hussein Obama uses someone elses SSN

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Re: OT OT: I heard Barack Hussein Obama uses someone elses SSN

Post by PST » Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:01 pm

islandboy5150 wrote:BTW, I too think Bush was a blithering friggin idiot.
When I talk to people who strongly oppose President Obama, I can usually predict what they think about President Bush by how they express that opposition. If they think that Obama is simply wrong on most of the vital issues facing the country, they usually think that Bush was a good president (or average, or excellent, but somewhere within the range of satisfactory). If they think that Obama is un-American, and suspect that he actually harbors a secret plan to injure the country, they usually think that Bush was a blithering idiot. I can usually find common ground for discussion with members of the first group -- which can be important when they're family -- but with the second it's like debating the drunk on the next barstool who says, "And let me tell you another thing, buddy…"

One characteristic modern presidents have in common is that they convinced many thousands of people one-on-one that they were right for the job. Many of those people were highly intelligent and motivated judges of a candidate's character, charisma, and guts. They have plenty at stake, whether they are local politicians, contributors, or policy wonks who hope to implement their ideas. I don't think an idiot or a traitor can run that gauntlet. My favorite illustration of Bush's intelligence is an article by Nicholas Lemann that can be found at http://www.slate.com/ebooks/Sons%20Geor ... 20Gore.htm. It is convincing because Lemann is a liberal journalist who was most certainly not writing a puff piece (he makes a point of how little Bush had accomplished compared to most candidates) and because it was written in January 2000, so it is uncontaminated by later opinions about how the Bush presidency turned out. Bush wasn't a distinguished student, but there is little evidence that presidents who were, like Wilson and Clinton, systematically outperformed those who weren't, like Franklin Roosevelt or Reagan. What comes through is that Bush was a genius at connecting with people, quick and clever in an interview, and canny in his political knowledge. One example:
A couple of months before I travelled with Bush in New Hampshire, I was granted a brief telephone interview. His sharpest, most alive answer by far came in response to the question of what lesson he had taken from his father's defeat in 1992. "First lesson, polls change," he said. "I take nothing for granted. Second, we've got a strategy for the timing of policy speeches. It's important to have a strategy and set the debate. In many ways, they didn't spend the capital wisely. It was reactive in many ways. It wasn't necessarily my dad's fault. It was a two-front war. You die a death of a thousand cuts in politics. Buchanan inflicted a lot of cuts, and then Perot picked it up. He got defined as somebody who didn't care about the domestic economy and how people were doing at home. They defined him before he could define himself."
Dumb like a fox. I happen to think that the Bush administration made tragic mistakes, but the man was no blithering idiot. To dismiss him as one is to evade the hard work of figuring out what he did right, what he did wrong, and how we can do better next time. To say, "They're all idiots, they're all crooks," is an easy, lazy way out that excuses us from learning and thinking.

By the same token, many thousands of smart, impressive people have attached themselves to the Obama campaign and presidency, and I frankly don't think they are all incapable of sniffing out someone who really doesn't give "a flying F*&^ about America." I have an interesting citation from a conservative observer, but I'm saving it for another post. Think, however, about what islandboy's opinion says of distinguished patriots like Secretary of Defense Robert Gates or incoming CIA chief General David Petraeus. Both chose to accept appointments for what could be the final acts of lifelong careers in public service in political, policymaking roles as members of the Obama administration. Are they so unconcerned for their reputations, or so ambitious, as to serve a president they know intends to injure the country for the sake of a couple more years at the center of power? Or are they just a couple of stupid suckers duped into carrying out the orders of someone they should realize is an un-American, unpatriotic, deceptive, secretive liar? I believe both men are smarter than me about judging the character of presidents, and I sure as hell believe they're smarter than islandboy. But who can argue with what islandboy says he knows in his heart?

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Re: OT OT: I heard Barack Hussein Obama uses someone elses SSN

Post by PST » Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:25 am

One more post and I'll give it a rest, I promise.
Captain_Midnight wrote:It truly bothers me that the leader of the free world will not (IIRC) release his all of his official college transcripts. Is Obama concealing something?
I do not believe that any serious presidential candidate has ever released his college transcripts, and I have googled around a bit looking for evidence to the contrary. In two cases, Bush 43 and Gore, transcripts were leaked to the press, which strikes me as a pretty dirty business. Kerry's college grades were discovered well after the 2004 election as part of his navy records. So President Obama is no different from every other president and every other candidate in this respect.

One thing we know, however, is that Obama excelled at Harvard Law School. The late Dean Barnett was a conservative journalist who wrote for the (conservative) Weekly Standard and the (conservative) National Review Online, as well as filling in sometimes as host for Hugh Hewitt's (crazy conservative) radio show. About a year before the 2008 election, when he was still a dark horse candidate, Barnett wondered about Obama's law school record and started phoning people from Obama's class. Like the article on Bush I cited in another post, the result was no puff piece. The theme of the article is that for such a bright guy Obama is sure running a crappy campaign. But this is what Barnett found about Obama's academic performance:
IN MY PREVIOUS PROFESSIONAL life, I had reason to be in contact with dozens of Barack Obama's classmates at Harvard Law School. When he entered the presidential race, I dusted off my Rolodex and began making some calls to get the off-the-record skinny on the Democrats' potential savior.

The results surprised me. Regardless of his classmates' politics, they all said pretty much the same thing. They adored him. The only thing that varied was the intensity with which they adored him. Some spoke like they were eager to bear his children. And those were the guys. Others merely professed a profound fondness and respect for their former classmate.

Even more interesting was what wasn't said. In dozens of conversations, not a single person said anything negative about him, and some were hardly the senator's political fellow travelers. Also noteworthy is that virtually everyone seemed to know Obama. Usually people who have such a high profile on law school campuses have their detractors. Obama apparently didn't.

This general attitude regarding Obama is even more remarkable given how well he performed at Harvard Law School. Obama graduated there in 1991. As many people know, he was president of the Harvard Law Review. This accomplishment, for those who know how such things work, was easy to minimize. Generally, you earned admission to the Law Review because of a distinguished academic performance in your first year. But there were some members who got on the Law Review because they wrote good essays as part of their application process and in spite of mediocre grades. A notable subset of this latter category was minority students; a politically correct institution, the Law Review cared about diversity in its ranks.

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The only reason I bring this barely relevant history up is to show what a stud of a law student Barack Obama was. He graduated Harvard magna cum laude. This was one honor you unquestionably had to earn. It's a very impressive feat. Back in Obama's days at Harvard, more than 50 percent of the class graduated cum laude, a fact that made graduating "with honors" a meaningless accomplishment. But graduating magna was a different kettle of fish. Barack Obama graduated right near the top of his law school class.

That fact, along with his presidency of the Law Review, makes his uniform popularity all the more impressive. Law schools are intensely competitive places. People who thrive to an unseemly extent, as Obama did, are usually subject to an array of resentments. After all, the lawyers of tomorrow populate law schools; pettiness and insecurity reign supreme.

The people that Obama so thoroughly charmed generally weren't the charm-prone types. I say the following as a well known Republican partisan--the fact that his classmates so universally held him in the highest regard suggests that Barack Obama may truly be a special person.
I have stretched the doctrine of fair use to the breaking point by quoting this much, but the whole thing, including the negative parts, can be found at http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/P ... 6vvyov.asp. And for what it's worth, in light of the opinions expressed in this thread that Obama doesn't actually want what's best for the country, it sure doesn't sound like anybody said, "Nice guy, but he sure does hate America!"

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Re: OT OT: I heard Barack Hussein Obama uses someone elses SSN

Post by M.D.Hosehead » Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:20 am

Thanks for taking the time to compose the last two posts, PST. Reasonable people like you are a breath of fresh air.

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Re: OT OT: I heard Barack Hussein Obama uses someone elses SSN

Post by kempo » Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:49 am

PST, you made two very good post to this thread. Even though we probably disagree on many political view points I respect the way you present your political views.

It has always been my belief that you can not become President Of the United States and not be a very intelligent person.

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