Resmed DC/DC Converter 24V/90W for S9

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Resmed DC/DC Converter 24V/90W for S9

Post by billbolton » Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:14 am

An S9 user in Europe UK has recently exchanged some correspondence with Resmed, which yielded this....
Resmed wrote:"The Part No. For the S9 Converter is 36970, please check with your supplier as this is a UK Part No and may differ to that in France."
The style of the number is consistent with other S9 accessories, so it seems like credible information

This is a very good sign of imminent availability

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Re: Resmed DC/DC Converter 24V/90W for S9

Post by BernieRay » Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:25 am

Fingers crossed, though the $149 AU SRP I saw on another board is a bit more than I was hoping for.
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Re: Resmed DC/DC Converter 24V/90W for S9

Post by billbolton » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:24 pm

At least one reseller is now listing the Converter......

http://203.0.178.90/~alhit/Site/pages/i ... utoSet.php

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Re: Resmed DC/DC Converter 24V/90W for S9

Post by DreamDiver » Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:46 am

http://s7.zetaboards.com/Apnea_Board/topic/8448189/1/

Looking forward to learning more as they become available in the US.

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Re: Resmed DC/DC Converter 24V/90W for S9

Post by DrewT » Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:21 am

Dear Forum Members,

I am pleased to inform you that we (ResMed) are releasing the 24V DC Converter (PN 36970) for sale to our distributors on Friday, February 25th.

The S9 DC/DC Converter helps you get the most from your S9 when traveling and allows you to run the device, the humidifier, and the ClimateLine from a 12V or 24V DC power source. For many patients, this provides a convenient way to power the S9 directly from a vehicle or to get the best performance when running the system from a battery while camping.

The S9 DC/DC Converter is significantly more efficient than running through an inverter when operating from a DC power source. This means longer battery life for you. Our tests have shown anywhere from 20% to 50% longer operating time than running from an inverter from the same battery.

Thank you to everyone for their interest in the DC/DC converter. We trust that this new accessory will provide you with all the quiet comfort you’ve come to expect from the S9 no matter where you are using it.

Pleasant dreams,

Drew Terry
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Sleep SBU, Americas
ResMed

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Re: Resmed DC/DC Converter 24V/90W for S9

Post by BernieRay » Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:08 am

That's great news. Thank you for taking the time to let us know!

In fact, I just called me DME and requested one.
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Re: Resmed DC/DC Converter 24V/90W for S9

Post by billbolton » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:48 pm

I now have one here... I'll run it tonight off my 90AH battery and report over the weekend.

Physically, the converter case is the same size as the 90W mains power supply. The "cigarette lighter" plug on the DC input side has an on/off switch on the top, and there is an additional cable with a "cigarette lighter" socket to battery-clip lead for attaching directly to battery terminals.

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Re: Resmed DC/DC Converter 24V/90W for S9

Post by bayourest » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:58 pm

Bill, sorry for my ignorance... but is this necessary to run an S9 in Europe? I may have to got to France on business soon and I was wondering about running the S9. AC/DC seems to be one of those subjects that never sticks in my brain...I know I would need an adapter for the plug. Do I need this type of converter as well? I would not be using any kind of battery.
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Re: Resmed DC/DC Converter 24V/90W for S9

Post by BernieRay » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:11 pm

I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts, Bill. Thank you, also, for the info!

My DME has ordered one for me and is expecting to have it the first of next week. I was also pleasantly surprised at the price - $125. They're usually a bit higher than online, so $100-110 US may be possible.

My power doesn't go out very often, but it's going to be nice to finally have a way to sleep through them with my machine.

Does the documentation make any mention, good or bad, in regards to using it for day to day use via a battery/trickle charger setup? I would hope that it can handle it, but a positive indicator would be nice.
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Re: Resmed DC/DC Converter 24V/90W for S9

Post by billbolton » Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:19 pm

bayourest wrote:Bill, sorry for my ignorance... but is this necessary to run an S9 in Europe?
If you intend to just use wall outlet AC "mains" power, the normal 90W AC adapter will be fine. You will need a passive socket adapter to allow your US power cable to go into a French wall outlet.

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Re: Resmed DC/DC Converter 24V/90W for S9

Post by billbolton » Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:32 pm

BernieRay wrote:Does the documentation make any mention, good or bad, in regards to using it for day to day use via a battery/trickle charger setup? I would hope that it can handle it, but a positive indicator would be nice.
The documentation included is fairly minimal (about a page of small print) and covers only the straightforward operation on a (stand alone) battery.

I expect that Resmed will update their on-line battery guide (current edition is here) and that is probably where I'd expect to see any discussion on your topic.

As a general observation, the issue with keeping standby battery systems on trickle-charge is generally related to managing what happens to the trickle charger when the mains power comes back on while there is a active load discharging the battery.

What exactly did you have in mind?

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Re: Resmed DC/DC Converter 24V/90W for S9

Post by DreamDiver » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:07 pm

BernieRay wrote:My DME has ordered one for me and is expecting to have it the first of next week. I was also pleasantly surprised at the price - $125. They're usually a bit higher than online, so $100-110 US may be possible.
If I understand correctly, Resmed has been in the habit of fixing internet prices to match prices at brick-and-mortar DME's, so it will be interesting to see if this becomes the case.

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Re: Resmed DC/DC Converter 24V/90W for S9

Post by BernieRay » Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:14 am

When I've gotten my EOBs for my DME charges, what they are allowed is always a bit higher than online. That probably means they are charging a bit more.

billbolton wrote:...
As a general observation, the issue with keeping standby battery systems on trickle-charge is generally related to managing what happens to the trickle charger when the mains power comes back on while there is a active load discharging the battery.
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I misspoke last night. I'm considering a float charger (trickle came to mind because of some hobbies that I have where they are used).

I may be missing something, though. Wouldn't the charger simply start charging the battery again when main power is restored? Or do they have circuitry to prevent that?
billbolton wrote:...
What exactly did you have in mind?
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If I go that route, it would be main power->Tripplite Isotel surge supressor->float charger->DC AGM marine battery->Resmed equipment, using JohnBFisher's setup as a blueprint, but obviously without an inverter.

Since we rarely have outages, I may keep the battery/charger in the garage. Then again, we had some bad storms come through last night and the power went out 4 times. Each was brief, but long enough for my S9 to go through it's start up procedure. I woke up each time. It would be nice to have slept through that. I think the deciding factor is going to be whether I want an SLA battery in the bedroom all the time or not and whether the DC/DC converter was designed to withstand daily use. Obviously the AC/DC brick was designed for daily use, but if the DC/DC converter was only intended for occasional use, running from it all the time might cause it to fail.
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Re: Resmed DC/DC Converter 24V/90W for S9

Post by StevenXXXX » Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:37 pm

BernieRay wrote: I misspoke last night. I'm considering a float charger (trickle came to mind because of some hobbies that I have where they are used).

I may be missing something, though. Wouldn't the charger simply start charging the battery again when main power is restored? Or do they have circuitry to prevent that?
I understand the fine distinction between a float charger and a trickle charger but aren't those terms pretty much used interchangably when someone speaks of either one?

I use a "trickle" charger attached to my Lawn Tractor.
It stays attached 24 / 7 & has been through some power outages and has come back on without any problems.
Like you we seldom have power outages, but they sometimes do happen.

Of course, the battery on my Lawn Tractor is not comparable to running a CPAP (much finer electronics on the CPAP).

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Re: Resmed DC/DC Converter 24V/90W for S9

Post by BernieRay » Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:06 pm

A trickle charger applies a low, steady current for as long as the cell (battery) is attached. A float charger ceases the charge when the cell if fully charged, then monitors the cell. When the cell reaches some lessened state of charge (as determined by the float charger's design, usually a lessened voltage), it will start charging again. Then the cycle repeats. Some batteries (depending on the chemical composition) and their intended usage are better suited to one style or the other.

The key difference is that a trickle charger does not prevent overcharging, which will damage batteries that are connected for extended periods of time. Float chargers avoid overcharging.

There's been ongoing confusion about trickle vs float, in part because trickle chargers were originally intended to approximate the self-discharge rate of some rechargeable batteries (such as NiCd and NiMh) and thus keep such cells fully charged. If a trickle charger is perfectly matched to a battery's self-discharge rate, things are fine. But, if overcharging occurs, it can lead to reduced cell life (best case) or rapid venting (think explosion, fire, and/or very toxic fumes - worst case).

The easy rule of thumb is that trickle chargers are okay if they won't stay connected for extended periods after the cell(s) are fully charged. When it will stay connected for long periods, a float charger is the safer and better choice.

A good source for battery info is BatteryUniversity.com, particularly http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/arti ... arge_table and http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/arti ... _batteries, and http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/arti ... y_problems.

I'm not as familiar with SLA batteries as I am NiCd, NiMh, and lithiums, so I'm not sure to what extent they can be overcharged. I'm sure others on here can clear up any SLA-specific issues that I missed or got wrong.
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