help me address these comments

[Calist]

My primary point - based on what I saw written upthread - is that when people begin to have their e-feelings so injured by what is written on an internet forum that they are actively seeking/conspiring to find the person's identity in real life - AND - to take actions that would cause that person harm IN REAL LIFE (and all this was posted upthread, I believe) - THEN the people who are taking those actions have lost rational perspective and need to take a break. That is all. I hope we can agree on that.

Take care.

I want to get a t-shirt that says that.

[DHC]

DHC................

When you're here another 53 posts, or twice that many, you'll realize that we become like family here.........and anyone who attacks the long time, consistently kind membersthat Calist or the Guest also posting as Calist has, they deserve wrath!

I fail to see how my adding another 53 posts would have any bearing on my thoughts on this issue.

That some folks would have no problem with causing another person harm IN REAL LIFE because of some caustic internet posts is, well, kinda scary. Who is it that will define the lines that are crossed that "deserve wrath"? Is it you, or ?

I am simply suggesting that if you are so emotionally invested in this exchange you are considering such actions - the better course for ALL concerned would probably be for you to take a deep breath and regain your perspective.

That is all. Take it for whatever it is worth to you.

[Madalot]

DHC -- We can agree on a lot. And I do see what you're saying.

But Calist, NOT me, made it very personal with me. And as Scrapper says, the people here are like a family. And when Calist attacked me over my usage of a ventilator, then said I could not be using it and implied that I am lying about who I am and what I am, people here rallied behind me because he was way out of line. Plus, the way he said that I HAD to be lying about the ventilator because no ventilator uses AVAPS -- that was inaccurate because I AM on a ventilator AND it has an AVAPS mode. For him to abuse, insult and berate me, the way he did, when HE is the one who was WRONG, is unforgiveable to people here that know me and have been through everything with me.

You may not agree, and I respect that, but until it's you that is berated the way he berated me (among a lot of others), it's very easy to feel we should just leave him alone and ignore what he's doing here.

DHC -- I have no beef with you at all and I DO see what you're saying. Please know that there have been others here that I have felt treated me badly, but nobody has ever done anything near as evil and cruel to me as Calist did.

[elena88]

My primary point - based on what I saw written upthread - is that when people begin to have their e-feelings so injured by what is written on an internet forum that they are actively seeking/conspiring to find the person's identity in real life - AND - to take actions that would cause that person harm IN REAL LIFE (and all this was posted upthread, I believe) - THEN the people who are taking those actions have lost rational perspective and need to take a break. That is all. I hope we can agree on that.



DHC....

It appears you have been just itching to write something like this, but you sure backed the wrong horse... bad timing, bad choice..


He is a bully, and your attempt to come in and defend him are just fuel for the fire.. This is the last place anyone needs to play devil's advocate..

[Madalot]

I must warn you that aside from 'The basics' my knowledge of focused respiratory care is a bit limited and some questions I'm going to deffer to a respiratory tech. I entered sleep science through an EEG field and have very little in the way of a respiratory background.

If this is the case, then why you would make a comment about a ventilator that you know nothing about, then abuse, insult and berate me? You still have NOT said ONE word about the link provided that proves you ARE WRONG about the ventilator I am using.

How can you come on here, all holier than thou, touting your credentials and telling me that YOU are the medical professional here, not the site, yet come later and say your knowledge of respiratory care is limited?

I'm still waiting for the acknowledgement AND apology about your numerous posts about my ventilator not having AVAPS and the subsequent insults made to me. Maybe if you stepped up and acted like a man, I would think differently about you.

[Calist]

DHC................

When you're here another 53 posts, or twice that many, you'll realize that we become like family here.........and anyone who attacks the long time, consistently kind members that Calist or the Guest also posting as Calist has, they deserve wrath!

No one is looking for Calist's identity.........he provided it. Individuals are attempting to verify the credentials he also provided....and if his comments were appropriate and honest, and provided with seemingly good intentions, no one would be responding in kind to his comments. Simply, the guy is a jerk. End of discussion.

I provided a false last name almost as an after thought when detailing the place I work, how long I had been there, the city I was in. Six hours later my lab gets a phone call looking for that false last name. I'm not making any accusations but I'm not stupid here. If you have a genuine desire to see my credentials PM me and tell me why. Until then I ask you not to consider my credentials as any form of accomplishment. I ask that you revere and respect the credentials that I do...

Read 'Principles and Practices of Sleep Medicine" and "The Atlas of Polysomnography" after that I am sure you will find that the things I have spent the last 10 or 20 years learning are nothing more than common knowledge in the medical field.

If however you desperately want to know my identity and you feel that you will come to a complete and undeniable agreement with everything I've said ONLY if you can recognize my credentials to say such things... then PM me and I'll make sure my credentials are proven to you. Hell I'll even fax ya a copy.

[Madalot]

Calist --

I notice you are now picking lines from posts and using them in your signature line, one of mine included. Nicely done how they are one liners that are taken totally out of context.

You sure you want to go there?

[DHC]

My primary point - based on what I saw written upthread - is that when people begin to have their e-feelings so injured by what is written on an internet forum that they are actively seeking/conspiring to find the person's identity in real life - AND - to take actions that would cause that person harm IN REAL LIFE (and all this was posted upthread, I believe) - THEN the people who are taking those actions have lost rational perspective and need to take a break. That is all. I hope we can agree on that.



DHC....

It appears you have been just itching to write something like this, but you sure backed the wrong horse... bad timing, bad choice..


He is a bully, and your attempt to come in and defend him are just fuel for the fire.. This is the last place anyone needs to play devil's advocate..

>>He is a bully, and your attempt to come in and defend him are just fuel for the fire.. This is the last place anyone needs to play devil's advocate..<<

Your emotion seems to have warped your interpretation of what I wrote. While understandable, it is also wrong. There is nothing I've written in defense of ANYONE.

>>It appears you have been just itching to write something like this, but you sure backed the wrong horse... bad timing, bad choice..<<

Please read what I wrote one more time and point out to me how I have "backed" anyone (or horse). Acting from a perspective of being emotionally overwrought is rarely a good idea.

In this case, it seems several of you are so deeply invested emotionally, you will fabricate charges in order to be able to vent your emotion onto others.

Misplaced aggression is yet another sign of a serious loss of perspective.

I do not mean to further arouse your ire or inflame your already inflamed emotions.

Again - FWIW

[Madalot]

I am going to say this one more time Calist --

Why won't you admit that you are wrong about me and my ventilator? You seem to be conveniently ignoring that part of your postings.

[Calist]

I am going to say this one more time Calist --

Why won't you admit that you are wrong about me and my ventilator? You seem to be conveniently ignoring that part of your postings.

So then you won't be asking again?

I have a feeling that you don't care for the answer or any answers I give. You are trying to make a scene and that only works if you do it in public. From now on Madalot I will only answer your questions in the form of PMs.

I am going to say this one more time Calist --

If you would like to speak, I would not mind conversing with you in PMs or even in the chat room. But your constant attempt at grandstanding, podium slapping and other wise making off the wall accusations in an attempt to upset me is really very childish. The more I ignore your insults the angrier you seem to get so I really must insist that we continue any conversation you would like to have in a more civil and less 'playing to the crowd' format.

Because really, it's boring sitting here and listening to you say "AH HA! YOU LIED BECAUSE YOU ARE A LIAR! I CAUGHT YOU SO NOW YOU MUST ADMIT IT!" every four posts regarding anything that we might be discussing. I am of the opinion that a conversation of a more private nature would end up being a conversation of a more civil nature.

Just a hunch.

[Madalot]

I am going to say this one more time Calist --

Why won't you admit that you are wrong about me and my ventilator? You seem to be conveniently ignoring that part of your postings.

So then you won't be asking again?

I have a feeling that you don't care for the answer or any answers I give. You are trying to make a scene and that only works if you do it in public. From now on Madalot I will only answer your questions in the form of PMs.

No answer is an answer. It's very simple -- the link was provided that proved you are wrong about the Trilogy 100 Ventilator. You refuse to acknowledge it. Fine by me. Go hide in PM's. That shows what a chicken you are and that you cannot back up your supposed professional statements.

You're a coward.

[elena88]

Acting from a perspective of being emotionally overwrought is rarely a good idea.

DHC
Youre assumptions are twisted.


It is telling that you have come to this thread, at this time, to say what you have said.

facinating..... I have seen this before, its nothing new... ..

your words have the weight of goose down.

[DHC]

Acting from a perspective of being emotionally overwrought is rarely a good idea.

DHC
Youre assumptions are twisted.


It is telling that you have come to this thread, at this time, to say what you have said.

facinating..... I have seen this before, its nothing new... ..

your words have the weight of goose down.

OK.

As I wrote several times, the comments are offered FWIW. Clearly, in your case, they are not worth much (or anything). I can live with that.

Take care.

[-SWS]

See this is what gets me. You claim to be on this device and you claim it has AVAPS. But it doesn't. Then I say it doesn't and you tell me I'm wrong, you run to pull up the link only to realize that it is you who are wrong. So then you get angry. You aren't really on that vent are you? This is especially curious since in your description you claim a lot of things like the ST setting and even the pressure itself, vents use an entirely different system but you figured they were similiar. This wouldn't be significant if it turns out you were on a respironics bipap because bipaps are often confused with ventilators but no...

You called it a Trilogy100.

You aren't on a Trilogy100 are you? Are you even a real patient? Who the hell are you? Have you been sitting here just trying to argue this whole time? Do you really have a neuromuscular disease or are you just a CPAP.com employee trying to make it look like the forum is active?

Below is a document clearly showing Trilogy checkout procedures. Page two of that Trilogy ventilator document clearly shows that AVAPS mode is, indeed, a functional Trilogy 100 setting: http://trilogy100.respironics.com/pdf/T ... 011910.pdf

Calist, can you even admit that your condescending decree about AVAPS above was wrong? Can you even believe that you have disseminated very wrong information in your posts again and again?

Bump

[Madalot]

See this is what gets me. You claim to be on this device and you claim it has AVAPS. But it doesn't. Then I say it doesn't and you tell me I'm wrong, you run to pull up the link only to realize that it is you who are wrong. So then you get angry. You aren't really on that vent are you? This is especially curious since in your description you claim a lot of things like the ST setting and even the pressure itself, vents use an entirely different system but you figured they were similiar. This wouldn't be significant if it turns out you were on a respironics bipap because bipaps are often confused with ventilators but no...

You called it a Trilogy100.

You aren't on a Trilogy100 are you? Are you even a real patient? Who the hell are you? Have you been sitting here just trying to argue this whole time? Do you really have a neuromuscular disease or are you just a CPAP.com employee trying to make it look like the forum is active?

Below is a document clearly showing Trilogy checkout procedures. Page two of that Trilogy ventilator document clearly shows that AVAPS mode is, indeed, a functional Trilogy 100 setting: http://trilogy100.respironics.com/pdf/T ... 011910.pdf

Calist, can you even admit that your condescending decree about AVAPS above was wrong? Can you even believe that you have disseminated very wrong information in your posts again and again?

Bump

-SWS,

Thanks for bumping this to make a point. It's been made very clear that this is NOT going to be addressed in any way, shape or form. I appreciate your finding the link to start with, posting it, and basically having my back in this.

Others can do what they want, but I know which side my bread is buttered on. I'll take your advice and information over his in a heartbeat.

Thanks for coming to my defense.