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Post by DoriC » Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:30 pm

MoneyGal wrote:Never be sorry to revive a thread!

I think I need to start a new one: requesting *support* only. The moment I started talking about wanting/needing to lose weight, my eating habits became really bad. I have eaten worse this week than I have in months: chips, ice cream, cookies, and I just ate a piece of pie. It's as though I got so worried about the threat of losing those treats that I just couldn't face not having them.

I have a lot of emotional work to do.
MoneyGal, that's it! All of a sudden because I'm leaning towards the low-carb lifestyle, now bread has become the big issue with me although when I really think about it the only time I eat it is if I have a sandwich for lunch which is not every day or sometimes if I have scrambled eggs for breakfast, and then it's just the packaged "lite wheat" kind, not even that yummy. I hope your self-enlightenment helps you as much as it did me. It's that first step but this is something we can do!
Muse is sure eating very well and I like the idea of keeping a food diary.

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Post by Muse-Inc » Sun Jan 24, 2010 12:25 am

DoriC wrote:...Muse is sure eating very well
Thanks! It's tasty and that means I keep eating it without getting bored and looking for off the plan food for variety . If anyone's wondering, yes, I have do eat out, I just have to evaluate what carefully and usually ask for some substitutions or changes to stay within my eating goals.
DoriC wrote:...I like the idea of keeping a food diary.
My short-term memory still isn't great and this lets me know what I've been eating throughout the day...easier to eat out then if someone calls and offers to pickup my tab The best is that I know what a safe day of eating is...one that enables me to lose; if I gain (I weigh daily), then I can review my previous day to see if I went overboard somewhere or if it's just that water-bloat thing that flucuates from day to day.
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Post by BlackSpinner » Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:44 am

[quote="secret agent girl"

Also, I have a question... With this eating style you have been describing to us, do you think someone with high cholesterol would find their 'bad' cholesterol going down as they lose weight and approach better health in terms of hormonal regulation? Or would they maybe find they are getting healthier and losing weight and still their cholesterol remains high?[/quote]

This is why I started the diet - check out my other thread about cholesterol "OT(sort of) cholesterol and diet" thread. It is much more technical. I didn't like the side effects I was reading about the drug I was prescribed.

With wheat it is the gluten that causes problems. It is also a "cause" of Candida - a yeast infection that can take over your whole body and trigger a lot of other allergies. My friend tried a wheat free Candida diet and the change in her skin and allergies was amazing. Even her body odor changed from this yeasty beer smell to normal body smell.

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Post by DreamStalker » Sun Jan 24, 2010 12:46 pm

secret agent girl wrote:
DreamStalker wrote:Grains are unhealthy for other reasons beyond the scope of weight loss and not discussed here.
Dude, you had to know someone would pick up on this and ask for more info! Please elaborate?

Also, I have a question... With this eating style you have been describing to us, do you think someone with high cholesterol would find their 'bad' cholesterol going down as they lose weight and approach better health in terms of hormonal regulation? Or would they maybe find they are getting healthier and losing weight and still their cholesterol remains high?
Reasons that grains are unhealthy?

Besides the fact that they are mostly starch carbohydrates that elevate your insulin levels, they also contain gluten, lectins, and phytic acid.

As our spinner noted, gluten is what usually comes to mind when we hear about health risks of grains. Gluten is a protein responsible for celiac disease, an autoimmune disease of the gut. Google celiac disease and save me the effort of extra typing in this response.

There are also lectins (a plant toxin), which are proteins capable of passing through the digestive linings and into our blood system where they travel throughout the body and bind to many other proteins in the body -- often cause allergic reactions and inflammation of the cells they bind to. They are also known to bind to leptin and insulin receptors which fuel the process of fat storage (ie. weight gain).

Phytic acid reacts with niacin (B3 vitamin) and the minerals calcium, magnesium, iron and zinc causing deficiencies of niacin and those minerals.

If that is not enough, grains are very high in omega-6 and are the primary cause of the unhealthy omega-3:omega-6 ratios of the western diet. Omega-6 is a pro-inflammatory fat know to be at the root of many modern diseases and particularly atherosclerosis (the foundation of heart disease).

Put simply, the relatively small amounts of of nutrients that grains provide (that one can get lots more of from veggies), the anti-nutrients of grains far outweigh any benefit of consuming them.

Grains are inedible unless they are processed by technology. Even the so-called whole grain products are really not whole grains because they have been ground to remove the husk. If one eats fresh real whole wheat grains from wheat grass, they are completely indigestible. Ask yourself this, how many people do you know of that grow wheat in their backyard garden, harvest it, and make their own food from it? It is just too much work to process it even into so-called whole wheat bread.

I direct you back to what our good friend Ray Audette said in my post above.


As for "bad" cholesterol, it depends what you mean by "bad". The media, dietitians/nutritionists, and many doctors believe that LDL is the "bad" cholesterol. It is just not that simple. Truth is that there are at least 7 subtypes of LDL cholesterol and it is the small dense subtypes that are "bad". It just so happens that the "bad" LDL subtypes are created when we eat a diet rich in carbohydrates where as the neutral LDL subtypes are created when we eat a diet rich in saturated fats. To find out what subtypes of LDL you have, you need to ask your doctor for a more refined cholesterol test than the traditional lipid panel that most everyone gets.

This excerpt from Dr. Davis at the HearscanBlog :
There are three commercial tests available today:

1) Gel electropheresis (GGE)--often known by its "brand" name as the Berkeley lipoprotein profile, after Berkeley HeartLabs. GGE uses a gel with an electric field applied to cause lipoproteins to migrate, based on particle size and charge.

2) Vertical auto-profile (VAP)--a form of centrifugation, or high-speed spinning of blood plasma to separate lipoprotein particles.

3) Nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR)--the idea of putting plasma in an NMR (also known as MRI) device to characterize blood proteins.

All three tests do an excellent job. All are competitively priced. All have validating data--lots of it--to justify their broad use (though health insurers, in their vast wisdom, would still have you believe that the tests are "experimental").

But is one better?

Having done many of all three (though least of VAP), I am partial to Liposcience's NMR. (By the way, I receive no fees from Liposcience to use their test, nor to promote it in any way.)

I believe NMR is superior in a few ways:

1) I believe that the LDL particle number is the best way to truly quantify LDL, better than apoprotein B and "direct" LDL.

2) It provides what I believe to be more accurate small LDL measures.

3) It provides intermediate-density lipoprotein (IDL), a post-prandial, or after-eating, measure not available on the other two.

Perhaps I'm biased because I use the NMR most frequently. But I've used it because I felt it yielded superior, more clinically believable, data.

In truth, all three laboratories do an excellent job and you'd be served fine by obtaining any of the three. But my heart goes to NMR.
I'm having a Berkeley test done in mid-March.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the ratio of triglycerides to HDL is more telling than the LDL to HDL ratio. Again, because the LDL number says nothing about subtype composition of the LDL, the LDL to HDL ratio is useless. The Trigs to HDL on the other hand has been found to correlate much better to risk of heart disease. That is because high trigs indicate cholesterol being created by high carbohydrate intake. So not worry so much about so-called bad LDL and instead focus on getting triglycerides down to low levels and HDL up to high levels.


I forgot to post this link in case you wish to take a deep dive into more detailed info about cholesterol -
http://www.theantiagingdoctor.com/hrtdisbrk.htm
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Post by Catnapper » Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:56 pm

My mother's mantra was "Eat something, you'll feel better!" So, she taught me to medicate myself with food. Behaviors from infancy are so deeply embedded they are hard to recognize sometimes. It's a lot like breathing to me to eat something to make things better.

I must give credit to Kathy for her insight that eating the wrong things makes for self abuse. Call it what you will, the only person you hurt is yourself. I knew that anyway, but the way she framed it really helped with my perspective. As for the "Eat something..." there is always something good to eat besides the carb stuff.

The carb stuff, however, is so easy, handy and quick. When I was a child I was allergic to almost everything, but I could eat pasta and tomatoes. That was my comfort food, probably from the time I could chew! Realizing that comfort as poison takes some cognitive effort. I need to find a new comfort food. Maybe I can just drink some tomato juice instead.

I am very grateful for the information people have posted here. I will definitely save the link for future reading when I need some reminders or references. Thanks everyone. Keep it coming!

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Post by TSSleepy » Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:57 pm

DreamStalker wrote:Sorry to revive thread but I found another (newer) video of Taubes presentation to Datmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center entitled -
Why We Get Fat: Adiposity 101 and the Alternative Hypothesis to Obesity (~ 1 hr long)

http://www.dhslides.org/mgr/mgr060509f/f.htm

Perhaps it may turn on a few more light bulbs to shine on the error of conventional calories in vs calories out dietary advice.
This was a great watch! It's also up on YouTube at - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIGV9VOOtew

Sorry for the "thread resurrection", but I found another great lecture on the dangers of sugar and high fructose corn syrup by Dr. Robert Lustig who is a pediatrician/researcher at Univ. of California San Francisco: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

BTW - I've lost 30.8 pounds in six weeks eating low carb.

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Post by Kiralynx » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:10 am

DoriC wrote:Thanks for giving me some ideas. I like almost everything you're eating anyway. It's just the bread issue but having some of those rice crackers could help. I'm getting myself confused by reading Protein Power and Dr. Falcon. I'm thinking that with the latter, as long as bread is acceptable even though only whole grain, it might get me in trouble. I might do better not having any choice in the matter. Keep up the good work, this thread is an unexpected "treat" for me aside from OSA as this one is my issue.
Dori,

I make bread -- and bread sticks, which I then dehydrate in my dehydrator (can be done in an oven on low) which are nice and crunchy. I make them out of finely ground almonds.

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Post by DoriC » Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:41 am

Kira, you remind me of my best girlfriend. When she gives me a recipe that requires anything but minimal preparation she tells me "I can see your eyes glazing over"! That's one of our little jokes and then she winds up making the dish for me. Just so you'll know my little secret, I don't like to cook much except the basics, but if you prepare my meals(including the breadsticks) I'll come over and make your kitchen nice and shiny! I love to clean so I have some redeeming virtues.

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Post by kteague » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:37 am

Muse-Inc wrote:Hear hear! Great insight, you go Kathy! Tell us what actions that insight manifests when they occur.
Well, we're one month into 2010. Even in my imperfection, when I weighed a few days ago I was down 5 pounds. I still mindlessly put my hand in the chip bag now and then when it's being passed around, but am quickly reminded that I do not want them more than I want a healthier me, and can stop at a sampling. What's changed more than anything is the mindless eating, where I'd consume excessive amounts of snack food before even realizing what I was doing. Now there is a mental alarm that says, "Hey, hold up! Think about what you are doing to yourself." Just an awareness instead of convenient oblivion. I do see that as much as reducing calorie intake I need to focus on increasing nutritional intake. I have allowed the weather to deter me from getting back into water exercise, but the weather is breaking here so I've got to get beyond the starting line. In the past, water exercise has proved extremely beneficial to me and when mindful of body mechanics, not harmful to my back. So, activity is my next hurdle. Will post when I get that jump started. No, I'm gonna put myself out there and say I will go to Wednesday's class.

My younger daughter is hosting a local Biggest Loser competition in her home town. Gonna refer her to this thread since there's so much information and motivation here. She's already been doing very well at meeting her goals over the past several months. Fortunately, physical activity is the norm in her household.

How is everyone else doing as we enter February? Would love to hear.

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Post by MoneyGal » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:49 am

Well. I have made small, very small changes to my eating. I am still VERY confronted by the idea that I cannot have "whatever food I want, whenever I want it." I am actively investigating an eating plan that I am willing to commit to. I also skimmed most of Good Calories, Bad Calories last week.

On the other hand, I joined the athletic centre on the campus where I work, and I went to the gym 3x last week (part of the physical therapy for my upcoming knee reconstruction) and moved lots of heavy weights around with my legs. I plan on making weight training to my everyday activities (well, every second day). I love being physically active.

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Post by Kiralynx » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:58 am

DoriC wrote:Kira, you remind me of my best girlfriend. When she gives me a recipe that requires anything but minimal preparation she tells me "I can see your eyes glazing over"! That's one of our little jokes and then she winds up making the dish for me. Just so you'll know my little secret, I don't like to cook much except the basics, but if you prepare my meals(including the breadsticks) I'll come over and make your kitchen nice and shiny! I love to clean so I have some redeeming virtues.
Dori,

If you were to come down and aid me in organizing my house, you'd be owed a life-time supply of almond flour crackers and breads.

I love to cook. I hate cleaning.

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Post by Julie » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:07 pm

It really sounds to me like the worst part of your problem is feeling deprived, even if only on principle, and that leads me to suggest you find a good therapist to work with, because until you no longer feel deprived (of whatever the real deep down issues are) you won't be able to change a lot for any length of time. If you're convinced you're missing out, you need to change that, not just cut out desserts once in a while.

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Post by Sleepy Taz » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:11 pm

From Jan 01 to now I have dropped 21 lbs. My calorie intake has gone from over 4000 a day to under 1000 and I am not feeling hungry at all. I have a smoothie for breakfast, a piece of fruit every two hours, a salad for lunch followed every two hours with a piece of fruit, and for supper a 4-6 oz piece of pork or chicken breast with steamed broccoli or cauliflower. I mix and match the vegetables and season with garlic or curry powder. NO SALT added. I only drink green tea and water which is a change from 2-3 quarts of coke a day. By eating something every two hours I never feel hungry and now prefer a piece of fruit to a piece of chocolate and I was a charter member of chocoholics anonymous. I have 135 lbs to go to reach my ideal weight and now my back is feeling strong enough to incorporate exercise into my daily routine. Three years ago I quit my 3 pack a day smoking habit that I had for over 35 years and now I am attacking my weight with the same positive attitude that I used for the smoking. By no means is any of this easy but if you work at it the rewards are worth the effort needed.
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