S8 Escape II CPAP Machine

[jojo2785]

How different is this machine from the Ellite..both have the same specs..as here-

Data Storage Capacity Display: 365 days summary data and 5 nights detailed data (up to 500 events per session. Data Card: 180 days of summary data and 5 nights detailed data (up to 200 events per session)

the only difference is the escape takes ResScan Software 3.7, and the ellite ResScan Software 3.5

I know the old escape was no data..but this says its a newly released with no reviews yet..any feedback ?


https://www.cpap.com/cpap-machine/resme ... chine.html

[Pugsy]

I am sorry but I don't see anything in the link you provided that tells me anything about this unit being data capable at all. I looked 3 times. I don't have my glasses on but I don't usually miss something like that.

Could you please confirm where you got the information that you got?

[jdm2857]

The biggest difference it that the Elite has efficacy data -- data that can help you manage your therapy -- while the Escape has only compliance data, which records only how long you use the machine each night. You want the efficacy data capability.

There are some other minor differences, for example on the Elite, you can preheat the humidifier, while on the Escape you cannot. But, again, the data difference is the biggie.

[Muse-Inc]

Pugsy, it's down at the bottom. I think cpap.com listed that by mistake, ya know copy and paste and forget to edit each line. Last time I was on ResMed's site the Escape was compliance data only.

[Pugsy]

I found this there but it really is for general information, sort of their standard information thing.

Software is an option on some CPAP machines. The software can give details compliance, and performance. The patient or physician downloads the data from the CPAP machine and uses it to determine how long a patient has used their machine each night and how well the machine is working to stop Apnea/Hypopnea events.

All the data capable machines I see that offer software, offer it up at the top along with the card readers that will be needed.
I don't think this Escape II will do anything other than hours and days of usage for compliance.

[csellebrecht]

Yes the main difference is the data capabilities.

The is the Elite II Data capabilities:

Data includes: usage, pressure,
leak and AHI statistics
Via ResScan Data Card: 180 sessions of
summary data, five sessions of detailed data
Via PC cable: 365 sessions of summary data,
five sessions of detailed data.
Data also available via the LCD menu
High resolution data: five sessions of flow
data recorded at 25Hz with S8 ResLink

This is the Escape II Data Capabilities:

Data storage
Data includes: usage
Via ResScan Data Card: 180 sessions of
summary data
Via PC cable: 365 sessions of summary data
Data also available via the LCD menu

This is directly from resmed site. Other features differences are the Elite is a little quitier, smart stop/start.
A few more but like said before major difference is the Comprehensive efficacy data the elite II offers.

[sleepinginseattle]

Yes the main difference is the data capabilities.

The is the Elite II Data capabilities:

Data includes: usage, pressure,
leak and AHI statistics
Via ResScan Data Card: 180 sessions of
summary data, five sessions of detailed data
Via PC cable: 365 sessions of summary data,
five sessions of detailed data.
Data also available via the LCD menu
High resolution data: five sessions of flow
data recorded at 25Hz with S8 ResLink

This is the Escape II Data Capabilities:

Data storage
Data includes: usage
Via ResScan Data Card: 180 sessions of
summary data
Via PC cable: 365 sessions of summary data
Data also available via the LCD menu

This is directly from resmed site. Other features differences are the Elite is a little quitier, smart stop/start.
A few more but like said before major difference is the Comprehensive efficacy data the elite II offers.

I beg to differ, the main difference is the price. The Elite 11 offers data recording that is of negligible value for a $75 premium. That $75 would be better spent on mask research.

Also, there's little evidence that the Elite 11 is any quieter than the Escape 11. Both are advertised as being <25db on Resmed's site.

[csellebrecht]

Well I got my info right from Resmed Clinician Site. THis is the actual wording copied right from their site:

Elite II sound levels are stated as this:

Noise level
Radiated sound pressure is measured at
< 24 ± 2 dBA at 10 cm H2O at 1 m according
to ISO 17510-1

The Escape II is this

Radiated sound pressure is measured at
< 26 ± 2 dBA at 10 cm H2O at 1 m according
to ISO 17510-1

not sure where your looking on resmed site but this is from the fact sheet for the device.
Price difference is a given but if you want data you can use to maximize your therapy then you want the Elite II or the Escape II.

[sleepinginseattle]

Well I got my info right from Resmed Clinician Site. THis is the actual wording copied right from their site:

Elite II sound levels are stated as this:

Noise level
Radiated sound pressure is measured at
< 24 ± 2 dBA at 10 cm H2O at 1 m according
to ISO 17510-1

The Escape II is this

Radiated sound pressure is measured at
< 26 ± 2 dBA at 10 cm H2O at 1 m according
to ISO 17510-1

not sure where your looking on resmed site but this is from the fact sheet for the device.
Price difference is a given but if you want data you can use to maximize your therapy then you want the Elite II or the Escape II.

24 + 2 = 26
26 - 2 = 24

These machines are about as quiet. The difference may be discernible to a machine but I'd bet a week's salary, 99% of all users couldn't tell the difference in a blind test.

I am continually amazed by the "...maximize your therapy" claim. Such a claim implies that those that are reading sleep data get better therapy than those that don't. Yet there is no evidence to back this claim up. The strong evidence is that compliance is what maximizes therapy.

[Wulfman]

The only "data" that the Escape II records is hours slept.......compliance.
If you want more detailed data than that, you need the Elite II.


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[sleepinginseattle]

$75 is a lot of money.

[Pugsy]

$75 is a lot of money

Peace of mind knowing for sure that I am getting best therapy possible by reaffirming with all data available instead of wondering and only knowing how many hours I used the machine
Priceless

[alnhwrd]

I would not have an Escape as my main CPAP, nor would I recommend it to anyone else. CPAP machines without meaningful data are one of the reasons people fail at this therapy. As a travel or back up they are fine, but EVERYONE should have a machine that at least records pressure, leak rate and AHI info. Compliance is important, but if you try to stay compliant when you are leaking and still having apneas you will wind up feeling terrible and quit being compliant because you figure its not working for you. With the data listed above you can know and understand what's going on and take steps to correct it. Sleep labs don't always get it right, because people don't always sleep well enough to let them get it right. Having a data capable machine lets you zero on your optimal pressure. Also, with a new mask comes new leaks, and without the data you can't tell they are happening. The software allows you even greater insight to what is happening while you sleep.

Would you buy a car without a speedometer or gas gauge?

Would you ride in a plane with no instruments?

Would you buy a watch with only an hour hand or that displayed only seconds?

If not, spend the extra $75. It is worth it and you will be glad you did.

[jdm2857]

Compliance means nothing if therapy is not effective. And, if you haven't noticed, xPAP therapy is used while sleeping. So efficacy data is the only clue one has to evaluate one's therapy. And, IMHO, given the overall costs of OSA treatment $75 + ~200 for software and a card reader is not too much to pay to be able to monitor and rationally manage one's therapy.

And remember that dBs are on a logarithmic scale. So a difference of 2 dB is significant, even if the ranges of the Escape II and Elite II overlap.

[sleepinginseattle]

$75 is a lot of money

Peace of mind knowing for sure that I am getting best therapy possible by reaffirming with all data available instead of wondering and only knowing how many hours I used the machine
Priceless

Peace of mind for me comes from getting a good night's sleep. I don't need to read data to know if that happened. My body tells me.

Anyone embarking on CPAP therapy is bound to be shocked by the expense of the treatment. The additional $75 for the Elite 11 machine is the tip of the iceberg. Add the ResScan 3.7 software, which is no longer sold by this site's sponsor but is available elsewhere, plus $190. BTW, this is clinician software so unless you're a clinic, you will not be supported by Resmed. No important updates, no bug fixes, etc. The Rescan Smart Card Reader adds an additional $80.

When I do the math, the cost for equipment is $345. None of which will be supported by the manufacturer.

I'm not a sleep doctor and I hesitate to estimate what it would cost to gain that sort of experience and knowledge. Talk about priceless...