Resmed VPAP Adapt SV - for Central Sleep Apnea

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Post by rested gal » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:37 pm

Lubman wrote:If you read back a few pages in this post, you will find opinions on how the 2 machines might be different.
Some discussions of the differences start back on page 24 of this thread.
Lubman wrote:One might conclude that if your problem is unique enough for a MD to recommend a VPAP that performance would outweigh size concerns.
I was thinking the same thing.
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Post by JIMCHI » Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:29 pm

As I travel a lot, size and weight make a big difference to me. If there are no performance differences, then the smaller machine is what I want. While I have looked at the previous postings, I don't understand much of the jargon, so therefore can't determine if there is in fact a difference between the Resmed VPAP Adapt SV and the Respironics BiPap Auto SV.


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Post by dsm » Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:52 pm

[quote="JIMCHI"]As I travel a lot, size and weight make a big difference to me. If there are no performance differences, then the smaller machine is what I want. While I have looked at the previous postings, I don't understand much of the jargon, so therefore can't determine if there is in fact a difference between the Resmed VPAP Adapt SV and the Respironics BiPap Auto SV.

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Post by JIMCHI » Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:25 pm

Thanks dsm. Would you consider one of these machines to be superior, performance or technology wise? The Respironics is slightly smaller.


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Post by dsm » Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:58 pm

[quote="JIMCHI"]Thanks dsm. Would you consider one of these machines to be superior, performance or technology wise? The Respironics is slightly smaller.

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Post by Lubman » Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:05 pm

DSM makes a good point -- however, money is on the ResMed Assist SV.

It has quite a few people using it and some people have found it quite helpful -- some have supplemented it with other treatments and techniques, under specialist guidance.

I have had not problems dealing with the size during travel.

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Post by JIMCHI » Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:08 pm

Thanks for the information and advice.

These appear to be very complex machines, much more so that the BiPap Pro I am presently using. When I asked my DME provider about the Resmed VPAP Adapt SV and the Respironics machine, they said they weren't familiar with them. While I was on the phone, they looked them up on the internet and remarked that they seemed quite sophisticated. Do I need to be careful that I purchase one of these machines from a DME which has had extensive training on these specific machines?


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Post by christinequilts » Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:29 pm

JIMCHI wrote: These appear to be very complex machines, much more so that the BiPap Pro I am presently using. When I asked my DME provider about the Resmed VPAP Adapt SV and the Respironics machine, they said they weren't familiar with them. While I was on the phone, they looked them up on the internet and remarked that they seemed quite sophisticated. Do I need to be careful that I purchase one of these machines from a DME which has had extensive training on these specific machines?
I've been using a VPAP Adapt SV for over 6 months now, very successfully too, especially compared to the past several years on BiPAP ST. As far as DME's who have extensive training- I'm not sure you're going to find many, as ASV-PAPs are not used that much. Even with BiPAP ST, most DME's only have a handful of patients on them compared to hundreds of patients on CPAP or even regular BiPAP. In my case, I got my Adapt when they were just being introduced nationally and my DME had had a big lecture training for all their RT's from all their location a couple months earlier. The main branch had set up a couple, but the location I use hadn't, so they had the ResMed sales rep come in to do my set up & provide them with a hands on training on the machine. If I have any questions, I know for the most part they are not going to be able to answer them like they can if my Mom calls about her CPAP, but they have always promptly called the ResMed sales rep to obtain any info we've needed. For me, making the switch wasn't that big of a deal since I was already on BiPAP ST, which is what the Adapt is classified as. So in my case, it was a switch of machine type within the same class that medically necessary, but for most people going to ASV, their are more insurance requirements that must be proved before it will be approved.

And as for size & weight, I don't know the exact weight of the Adapt vs the Respironics ASV, but I do know the Adapt is a little heavier then the VPAP III, which is in the same basic body case type, which is most likely due to the specialized blowers & such. Size wise, isn't the Respironics ASV still in the same body case as the Synchrony BiPAP? Okay, they did switch to the classic style since they introduced it in the US, which isn't that much smaller then the Synchrony if you look at the dimensions. AutoSV measures= 13" x 7" x 5.5", the Synchrony= 13" x 7" x 6". The Adapt 12" x 9" x 5" with the false removable front on; but with the integrated humidifier, its more like 14-15" long. Remember with the AutoSV, you would have to add several inches to the length and 1"+ to the height for the integrated humidifier. I am most familiar with the Synchrony & still have my old one; side by side with my Adapt, there is not a major difference in size. The Adapt is a little wider, but its a rounded shape, not a squarish shoe box shape like the Synchrony or AutoSV have, which leaves more space for packing things around the Adapt. Most of the width is only in the area were the sensor line hooks in, otherwise it would 7-8" wide. The Adapt is a hair longer, but that's with its integrated HH on; with my Synchrony I had to use a free standing F&P 150 heated humidifier, which took a lot of space, as would the integrated Respironics humidifier. DSM can probably give you more exact measurements for the Respironics classic w/integrated humidifier....I'm pretty sure he has a couple in his collection of xPAPs.

For travel, I've used the case that came with Adapt a couple times when I knew there wasn't much chance of it getting smushed in my minivan. Last weekend I had to travel with some other relatives in a rental car, so I put it in a heavy duty laptop case on wheels. It provided a lot more rigid support & padding, plus it left room for a lot of other things too....besides, its always nice to have as many things on wheels as possible in my book.

Did you have a titration with the Adapt yet?


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Post by christinequilts » Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:47 pm

Lubman wrote: I just returned from international travel, taking my ASV, the ResMed humidifier, my EERS tubing and my NV UMFF Mask. It worked well.

Upon return, when I connect up the hose, with the NV UMFF and related EERS tubing, and run Learn Circuit

It fails - and says "Invalid Circuit" "change circuit" and then falls back to the previous Learn Circuit values.

It works fine with and without the humidifier. It works with the ASV tubing
but now it does not work with the EERS Tubing and the NV ResMed UMFF Mask.
The only time I got "Invalid Circuit", etc was if I hooked up a mask like the swift or something that wouldn't work with the Adapt. Have you double checked your hose & sensor line for damage & that they are hooked up correctly? Any extreme bends in the hose when running LC? Mask face up with nothing blocking vents? Will it LC without the EERS tubing in place with the NV UMFFM? Had you run LC in the past with all the very same equipment- same EERS tubing, same vent, same NV UMFFM? etc? Will it LC correctly with EERS tubing and one of your older UMFFM?

The Adapt is picky when it comes to LC, which it needs to be. I've mentioned in the past I had some inconsistencies in auto-on & auto-off working when I put a new Vista mask on without running LC. I figured I'd been using a Vista mask, why did it need to be run when I changed from one to another of the same type? But there was just enough difference how air flowed or something that made it necessary...which also added to me being pickier about which non-ResMed masks I would consider using if I had to.

And I don't even want to mention how stupid I felt when I realized I packed my Adapt at the hotel last weekend without emptying the HH. Thankfully it was pretty much empty as I had filled it for a nap the day before & didn't top it up before bed. But all that wasn't bad enough, I had to deal with the front desk getting mad that I stayed past checkout time....we'll I'm sorry I wanted to run it for 15-20 minutes to make sure any droplets of water were blown out right away It didn't help that in my rush, I forgot to hook up the sensor line, so after running for a few seconds it started alarming....and scarying me half to death that I had broke it until I saw the sensor line laying there-lol...~what a way to start my week

~~~Christine~~~

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Post by Guest » Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:41 pm

Christine,
Thanks for the info. Yes I was titrated and the report says a VPAP with an EEP of 6 is recommended. I have no idea what that means. While I got a copy of the report and a DME contacted me and said they had an RX, the doctor's office called and said he wants to see me first before I get the machine. So everything is on hold until next Tuesday.

I sense that these machines need a lot of tweeking, meaning I may have to make a number of trips to the DME providers office. The one that called me and my current DME are almost 50 miles awayfrom me. Should I make a concerted effort to find one closer? My current DME does make house calls, but they said they come to my area about once every 3 weeks.

Were you telling me that the Respironics machine does not really have an integrated humidifier- something like my current Respironics Bi-Pap Pro where it's really two separate devices connected together?


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Post by dsm » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:59 pm

[quote="Anonymous"]Christine,
Thanks for the info. Yes I was titrated and the report says a VPAP with an EEP of 6 is recommended. I have no idea what that means. While I got a copy of the report and a DME contacted me and said they had an RX, the doctor's office called and said he wants to see me first before I get the machine. So everything is on hold until next Tuesday.

I sense that these machines need a lot of tweeking, meaning I may have to make a number of trips to the DME providers office. The one that called me and my current DME are almost 50 miles awayfrom me. Should I make a concerted effort to find one closer? My current DME does make house calls, but they said they come to my area about once every 3 weeks.

Were you telling me that the Respironics machine does not really have an integrated humidifier- something like my current Respironics Bi-Pap Pro where it's really two separate devices connected together?

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Invalid Circuit

Post by Lubman » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:05 pm

The only time I got "Invalid Circuit", etc was if I hooked up a mask like the swift or something that wouldn't work with the Adapt. Have you double checked your hose & sensor line for damage & that they are hooked up correctly? Any extreme bends in the hose when running LC? Mask face up with nothing blocking vents?
Christine -- I tried a whole new hose, when the Invalid Circuit display occured and received the same results.

It did not occur when the host was connected without a mask, but with EERS tubing.

The mask was clear and it had ran successfully with the same configuration.

This was the first time I have ever seen the Invalid Circuit display.


Will it LC correctly with EERS tubing and one of your older UMFFM?
This I need to try, especially with a vented UMFFM or a series II UMFFM.

It just seemed odd that this occured after traveling internationally from
a lower altitude to home at 6000 feet.


Had you run LC in the past with all the very same equipment- same EERS tubing, same vent, same NV UMFFM?
Yes I had run the exact same configuration, all identical.

Your observations are right on -- the machine does show auto on and auto off inconsistencies with a different configuration

A number of DME's and others seem to just run LC on the tubing without a mask, when they encounter this issue.

The more we use these complex machines, the more we learn.

Lubman

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Humidifier and Water on Travel

Post by Lubman » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:14 pm

Here's a cute story. I arrived in Europe and set out to obtain some distilled water. I was in a German speaking country and decided to stop at a pharmacy, assuming they had distilled water.

Water is wasser in German.
Most of the time one goes into a restaurant and asks for sparkling water
(water with gas) or still water (water without gas).

So it took a while to convince the pharmacist I wasn't asking for still wasser.

Then she understood and said she had distilled in her compounding room.
Did I have a container? No.
So she could sell me a 1/2 or 1 liter container.

When i asked for 1 liter she questioned if I realled needed that much water.

But I did walk out of the pharmacy with a nice container full of distilled water.



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Learn Circuit on Different ASV Machine

Post by Guest » Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:30 pm

My DME traded out my machine for another one, and oddly enough it runs Learn Circuit with the NV mask and CO2 hose without error.

Don't think there was anything wrong with the other machine, but that "gentle" feeling one gets from the ASV seemed different.
Or I was imagining.

Now I get noises from the mask as I move ever so slightly, although the leak ratelisted on the machine is low. Perhaps the mask is too tight.

Last few days I have been not sleeping as long and today was extremely tired -- much more than usual. Can't quite figure out why.

__ Hope that the login problem gets fixed as I can not login to the forum.
Understand that is in the works with the next software upgrade.

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adapt sv updates??

Post by peke » Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:02 pm

Christine,

Are there any updates in the Adapt SV since you last posted in May? I originally had obstructive apnea, but after 4 years with a bi-pap, now I have centrals mostly. (Over 80 in 2 hours and hardly any obstructive apneas.) All went away with the ASV they tried me on at the clinic.

I will be getting a new ASV machine, but I wondered if you could tell me if there are any new models on the market? I heard there was a new one coming out that did something with indexes or something. Indices??How do you spell that word???

Are there any accessories I should get? Software, smart cards?

Do they have special hoses?

What masks WILL work with the adapt?

I should also tell you that I have narcolepsy too!

Any help would be really appreciated.
Thanks,
Peke

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