URGENT:How to tell if Comfortlite2 or Breeze are new or used

TwoWheels · Post by **TwoWheels** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:06 pm

I bought a breeze and a comfortlite2 on ebay, and the guy said they are new. I asked if they are factory sealed, and he said they do not come factory sealed.

Every mask I have had came in a welded plastic bag to tell if it had been used. Since I have never had these, I can't be 100% certain of how they are packed at the factory.

If you have a brand new one of either of these, can you explain in detail what part(s) are in sealed bags so I can confirm that these are really new? He is supposed to ship Monday AM, so this is an urgent request.

Thanks.

Dave

Slinky · Post by **Slinky** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:14 pm

I got my CL2 from my DME. The nasal pillows and cushions were in a sealed bag. I don't remember about the headgear and mask itself.

gulfpearl · Post by **gulfpearl** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:35 pm

When I received my new CL2 the headgear the pillows & simple cushion were all sealedin separte bags & then sealed all together in a larger bag. Each bag was labeled with the part number & name of what was inside the bag. It sounds " fishy " all come sealed.

Elle · Post by **Elle** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:42 pm

My breaze came from a shabby looking box which led me to believe it wasn't quite new. I imagine they have to trial them on the new people and then are not going to just throw them away. I am even a little curious about the sealed stuff. It is easy enough to seal a plastic bag....not that I'm paranoid.

dsm · Post by **dsm** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:10 am

Believ me they come in sealed bags & the pillows are further sealed within the big sealed bag.

If you want I can do some photos of the CL2 bags & post them on my website.

I would say that the person has 'misspoke' in regard to the sealing & it is up to you trust what the seller says re them being new. They may have been used once or twice - personally that would never bother me unduly as I would douche them in vinegar anyway

DSM

blarg · Post by **blarg** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:21 am

Exactly. It's easy enough to re-seal them that even if they ARE used, the least they could do is seal them up for you. Basically, unless you buy from a reputable source, you have no way of knowing what condition your mask will arrive in.

TwoWheels · Post by **TwoWheels** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:17 am

dsm wrote:Believ me they come in sealed bags & the pillows are further sealed within the big sealed bag.

If you want I can do some photos of the CL2 bags & post them on my website.

DSM

That would be helpful if you could.

Thanks.

Dave

tomjax · Post by **tomjax** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:20 am

I al scratch my head when someone comes on alarmed that a PAP or mask may be used.
SO what is a unit was rented or a mask was tried on or actually used a dew times???

Clean iy with soap and water and go about your life.

I could understand a DME providing a unit slightly used and billing it as new, but this is an economic, not a health issue,

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WillSucceed · Post by **WillSucceed** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:43 am

I have purchased several Comfort-Lite (both original and CL2) and all of them were in a sealed plastic bag. However, some suppliers only provide ONE size of nasal pillows/dreamseal cushion. This means that they had to open the bag to remove the other sizes (that were included in the bag at the factory) BEFORE they give it to you. Not all suppliers do this, but some do.

Breeze, however, comes in a box and the headgear is not in plastic. The nasal pillows (not the plenum, just the 2 little pillows) ARE in a sealed plastic bag. The straps that attach to the headgear are folded up with a strip of heavy paper wrapped around the middle of the fold, much like a strip of paper that holds a stack of paper money.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:02 am

tomjax wrote:I al scratch my head when someone comes on alarmed that a PAP or mask may be used.
SO what is a unit was rented or a mask was tried on or actually used a dew times???

Clean iy with soap and water and go about your life.

I could understand a DME providing a unit slightly used and billing it as new, but this is an economic, not a health issue,

If I had a sterilization system at home, I would not mind used either. If I was confident that the seller was a reputable DME who had sterilized before the sale, i would be fine with used.

Since I don't know the medical condition of the people who may have breathed in it while trying it on, I'M not willing to risk my life or health as a petri dish for whatever is in the folds of the tubing - especially to save a few bucks.

Why do you think the manufacturers provide sterilization instructions if soap and water will do the job? Why do they make disposable masks for hospitals if soap and water will make them good as new?

Come to think of it, why are hypodermic needles disposable? We sure are wasting a lot of money!

Sorry to vent, but the idea, that washing convoluted tubing with soap and water eliminates the risk of infection, is downright dangerous.

Dave

Bonnie · Post by **Bonnie** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:17 am

Dave, we live in a disposable society, so much waste.

We are all concerned about cleanliness and safety issues but think about this, you eat at restaurants using utensils other people have put in their mouths hoping they have been properly washed before you use them. At least at home you have the opportunity to completely clean anything suspect,

Elle · Post by **Elle** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:21 am

Bonnie, thank you for the reality check. I'll never eat at a restaurant again but puts the 'clean' mask in perspective. I love this board.

dsm · Post by **dsm** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:37 am

TwoWheels wrote:
dsm wrote:Believ me they come in sealed bags & the pillows are further sealed within the big sealed bag.

If you want I can do some photos of the CL2 bags & post them on my website.

DSM
That would be helpful if you could.

Thanks.

Dave

Dave - here is a set of pics (I will eventually do a picture gallery of all the major masks)

http://www.internetage.com/cpapinfo/cl-2-1/index.html

Cheers

DSM

Julie · Post by **Julie** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:30 am

Manufacturers provide steri. instructions because if they didn't, and you did pick up something serious (the chances are remote as s0 many bacteria die on exposure to air long before you ever get the mask, and the vast majority of people in fact are relatively clean and don't have ghastly diseases) their LAWYERS would be all over them for leaving themselves open to suits, as would their INSCE co's for having to possibly pay out lots of money. Do you think they intrinsically care about you otherwise? Cynical, maybe, but true.

snoregirl · Post by **snoregirl** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:00 am

Bonnie,

How right you are.

I have, in my history of life experiences, had the "delight" to experience the school cafateria dishwasher up close and personal.

Now, the lengh of time those dishes are in there and the "care" taken to make sure the machine runs properly and has a full supply of soap etc.... makes me quite certain that they cannot be sterilized or even completely clean for that matter.

Not that I want to be wearing a mask or putting something in my mouth from a questionable source, but every day we are exposed to germs right or wrong.

URGENT:How to tell if Comfortlite2 or Breeze are new or used

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