Arousal apnea’s?

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Arousal apnea’s?

Post by Jlfinkels » Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:37 pm

I’ve been reading up on arousal related apnea’s but don’t think I’m quite getting it. I noticed that right before I awake I sometimes get a burst of events, but rarely during the night. I’m just trying to understand it, not fix something that likely does not need to be fixed. Any pointers to a simple explanation of it?
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Re: Arousal apnea’s?

Post by LSAT » Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:41 pm

What kind of events? In many cases events just before you get up are Clear Airway events...you may be partially awake. If you were using Oscar and posted some detail, we could see for sure.

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Re: Arousal apnea’s?

Post by Jlfinkels » Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:52 pm

Thanks. Here ya go…
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Re: Arousal apnea’s?

Post by palerider » Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:15 pm

Jlfinkels wrote:
Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:37 pm
I’ve been reading up on arousal related apnea’s but don’t think I’m quite getting it.
awake breathing and sleep breathing are controlled by two different 'systems' within your body. As you transition from one to the other, and back again, you may get what are called "transition apneas".

Ignore them.

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Re: Arousal apnea’s?

Post by Jlfinkels » Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:52 pm

palerider wrote:
Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:15 pm
awake breathing and sleep breathing are controlled by two different 'systems' within your body. As you transition from one to the other, and back again, you may get what are called "transition apneas".

Ignore them.
Thanks. I was thinking the same, just needed some assurance from those more schooled in CPAP.
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Re: Arousal apnea’s?

Post by palerider » Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:10 pm

Jlfinkels wrote:
Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:52 pm
palerider wrote:
Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:15 pm
awake breathing and sleep breathing are controlled by two different 'systems' within your body. As you transition from one to the other, and back again, you may get what are called "transition apneas".

Ignore them.
Thanks. I was thinking the same, just needed some assurance from those more schooled in CPAP.
You will also see people refer to "sleep/wake junk" or SWJ here on the forum, that's just the informal name for the same thing, your breathing stumbling as your body switches from one type of breathing to the other, and if that goes on for long enough, the machine, not knowing any better, will flag something. In a sleep lab, they'd just ignore it.

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Re: Arousal apnea’s?

Post by Jlfinkels » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:58 am

palerider wrote:
Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:10 pm
You will also see people refer to "sleep/wake junk" or SWJ here on the forum, that's just the informal name for the same thing, your breathing stumbling as your body switches from one type of breathing to the other, and if that goes on for long enough, the machine, not knowing any better, will flag something. In a sleep lab, they'd just ignore it.
Thanks so much, I appreciate your help!
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Re: Arousal apnea’s?

Post by Billymadison420 » Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:16 am

palerider wrote:
Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:10 pm
Jlfinkels wrote:
Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:52 pm
palerider wrote:
Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:15 pm
awake breathing and sleep breathing are controlled by two different 'systems' within your body. As you transition from one to the other, and back again, you may get what are called "transition apneas".

Ignore them.
Thanks. I was thinking the same, just needed some assurance from those more schooled in CPAP.
You will also see people refer to "sleep/wake junk" or SWJ here on the forum, that's just the informal name for the same thing, your breathing stumbling as your body switches from one type of breathing to the other, and if that goes on for long enough, the machine, not knowing any better, will flag something. In a sleep lab, they'd just ignore it.
So is SWJ sleep or not? Am I going from wake up N1, or is it just W?

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Re: Arousal apnea’s?

Post by ChicagoGranny » Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:22 pm

Jlfinkels wrote:
Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:52 pm
Thanks. Here ya go…
The link is missing.

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Re: Arousal apnea’s?

Post by Jlfinkels » Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:24 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:22 pm
Jlfinkels wrote:
Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:52 pm
Thanks. Here ya go…
The link is missing.
It was there last year when originally posted, but I deleted all my images long ago to let others upload things. Shoot. I don’t even remember what it was but Palerider got me through overthinking things, so I have not pondered it in a long time.
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Re: Arousal apnea’s?

Post by ChicagoGranny » Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:39 pm

Oh, I just now saw it is a zombie thread revived. :lol:

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Re: Arousal apnea’s?

Post by palerider » Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:13 pm

Billymadison420 wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:16 am
Am I going from wake up N1, or is it just W?
Well, by definition, if you're awake, you're not in N1.

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Re: Arousal apnea’s?

Post by Billymadison420 » Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:26 pm

palerider wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:13 pm
Billymadison420 wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:16 am
Am I going from wake up N1, or is it just W?
Well, by definition, if you're awake, you're not in N1.
Let me more direct with my question. Is Sleep wake a process from W>N1>W or is just W>W>W?

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Re: Arousal apnea’s?

Post by palerider » Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:28 pm

Billymadison420 wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:26 pm
palerider wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:13 pm
Billymadison420 wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:16 am
Am I going from wake up N1, or is it just W?
Well, by definition, if you're awake, you're not in N1.
Let me more direct with my question. Is Sleep wake a process from W>N1>W or is just W>W>W?
Where is there any "sleep" in "wake to wake to wake"?

Google 'transition apnea', the more formal name.

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Re: Arousal apnea’s?

Post by Billymadison420 » Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:58 pm

palerider wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:28 pm
Billymadison420 wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:26 pm
palerider wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:13 pm
Billymadison420 wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:16 am
Am I going from wake up N1, or is it just W?
Well, by definition, if you're awake, you're not in N1.
Let me more direct with my question. Is Sleep wake a process from W>N1>W or is just W>W>W?
Where is there any "sleep" in "wake to wake to wake"?

Google 'transition apnea', the more formal name.
So would this be scored as sleep and then wake on an MSLT, or wake, or both?