xxyzx wrote:shallow breathing is normal when you are asleep
Of course it is not! Does that even sound right to you? Oh, never mind.
xxyzx wrote:shallow breathing is normal when you are asleep
Actually a hyponea is more like a baby OA that hasn't grown up to be a full grown obstructive apnea.Mark55 wrote: Yea,...I thought a hypopnea was overly shallow breathing, or a very low respiration rate?
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I was waking up with bad headaches 4-5 mornings a week. Doctor thought maybe sleep apnea and she was right. Unfortunately, didn't help my headaches though.Mark55 wrote:I would imagine that my symptoms and diagnosis is not that out of the ordinary, but I was just curious how some of you folks came to know you had this 'wonderful' condition?
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Got it,....thanks for correcting my understanding of that word.Pugsy wrote:Actually a hyponea is more like a baby OA that hasn't grown up to be a full grown obstructive apnea.Mark55 wrote: Yea,...I thought a hypopnea was overly shallow breathing, or a very low respiration rate?
Has nothing to do with shallow breathing or not.
There are certain criteria that need to be met to earn a flag....they all have to last at least 10 seconds.
Obstructive apneas have the additional criteria of at least an 80% reduction in air flow caused by the airway tissues collapsing and narrowing the airway.
Hyponeas are reductions in the air flow of at least 40% (50%...depends on which brands criteria) to the 79%...caused by the same narrowing of the airway from the airway tissues collapsing.
Has nothing to do with big breaths or shallow breaths..
Now someone could maybe be a shallow breather in conjunction with a hyponea but it isn't the shallow breathing that causes the hyponea flag....it's the reduction in air flow from the obstruction or partial obstruction caused by the airway tissues collapsing and narrowing the airway.
Hyponeas are very important and not to be pooh poohed off as "only a hyponea". They can be just as damaging to the body and to the sleep quality as a full grown OA. That's how come they are part of the AHI and the diagnosis criteria and why the auto adjusting algorithm take them into account when they are deciding how to respond what is going on.
Other than the flag name there really isn't all that much difference between an OA flag of 25 seconds with a reduction of 81% than one with a 78% reduction lasting 25 seconds and getting a hyponea flag.
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This is incorrect. Hypopneas are considered part of the AHI because they can and do negatively impact health. You cannot just sleep longer to overcome the effects of hypopnea or RERA because you are continually aroused. You cannot get into deep restorative sleep when you are constantly arroused. This is why RERA are of concern for some Doctors. They believe that just the slight rousing from non-scorable events is damaging to the quality of life and by causing some level of arousal your response to respiratory-related arousals is sufficient to cause some of the issues such as increased blood pressure, and daytime sleepiness.xxyzx wrote:=======Pugsy wrote:Actually a hyponea is more like a baby OA that hasn't grown up to be a full grown obstructive apnea.Mark55 wrote: Yea,...I thought a hypopnea was overly shallow breathing, or a very low respiration rate?
Has nothing to do with shallow breathing or not.
There are certain criteria that need to be met to earn a flag....they all have to last at least 10 seconds.
Obstructive apneas have the additional criteria of at least an 80% reduction in air flow caused by the airway tissues collapsing and narrowing the airway.
Hyponeas are reductions in the air flow of at least 40% (50%...depends on which brands criteria) to the 79%...caused by the same narrowing of the airway from the airway tissues collapsing.
Has nothing to do with big breaths or shallow breaths..
Now someone could maybe be a shallow breather in conjunction with a hyponea but it isn't the shallow breathing that causes the hyponea flag....it's the reduction in air flow from the obstruction or partial obstruction caused by the airway tissues collapsing and narrowing the airway.
Hyponeas are very important and not to be pooh poohed off as "only a hyponea". They can be just as damaging to the body and to the sleep quality as a full grown OA. That's how come they are part of the AHI and the diagnosis criteria and why the auto adjusting algorithm take them into account when they are deciding how to respond what is going on.
Other than the flag name there really isn't all that much difference between an OA flag of 25 seconds with a reduction of 81% than one with a 78% reduction lasting 25 seconds and getting a hyponea flag.
how ironic after 3 people say i am FOS and you verify that shallow breathing is normal
hypops are only bad when the lower the spo2
low spo2 kills cells
it also increases the heart rate and cause cause death
they are annoying when they cause arousals or RERAs and can disturb sleep
but that wont damage your health if you sleep longer to make up for it
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Read again and try to understand what I wrote.xxyzx wrote:how ironic after 3 people say i am FOS and you verify that shallow breathing is normal
No, this is not true. They are bad for the same reasons that obstructive apneas and central apneas are bad and oxygen levels may or may not be part of it. Ever wonder why they are part of the AHI in a diagnosis??? Maybe it's because they are sort of important despite what you think.xxyzx wrote: hypops are only bad when the lower the spo2
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This is flat out wrong and potentially deadly. In the absence of distractions apnea, hypopnea and possibly RERA are more than annoyances that can be overcome by sleeping more. The issue is that all forms of sleep-disordered sleeping cause sleep deprivation and may cause oxygen deficiency. Note that your favorite whipping boys, sleep doctors and insurance companies and medicare all use AHI as an indicator of the need for PAP, with and without desaturation. Sleep deprivation alone is a health risk, no matter what you claim.xxyzx wrote:========Pugsy wrote:Read again and try to understand what I wrote.xxyzx wrote:how ironic after 3 people say i am FOS and you verify that shallow breathing is normal
No where did I say anything about shallow breathing being normal....no where...and I sure as hell didn't verify what you said.
No, this is not true. They are bad for the same reasons that obstructive apneas and central apneas are bad and oxygen levels may or may not be part of it. Ever wonder why they are part of the AHI in a diagnosis??? Maybe it's because they are sort of important despite what you think.xxyzx wrote: hypops are only bad when the lower the spo2
taking things out of context is tasmarts patented dirty trick
hypops are only BAD when tehy lower spo2
they are problems because they disturb sleep
but you can make up for bad sleep with more sleep time
you cant fix dead cells from low oxygen
They are in AHI because they needed a simple statistic for OA to determine if medicrap gives you an xpap
all apnea and hypops are only BAD when they lower spo2
otherwise they are just annoyances
AHI is a meaningless statistic and doctors say so
RDI is meaningful and so is desats level
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No, that's just your opinion.xxyzx wrote:all apnea and hypops are only BAD when they lower spo2
otherwise they are just annoyances
You know you come up with some ridiculous opinions but this one ranks right up at the top for being asinine.xxyzx wrote:They are in AHI because they needed a simple statistic for OA to determine if medicrap gives you an xpap
all apnea and hypops are only BAD when they lower spo2
otherwise they are just annoyances
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tooter wrote:Why does the owner of this site put up with the crap the xyz guy puts out????????????
the owner of this site, johnny goodman, is a libertarian. he doesn't believe in rules. he's posted many times that we should just behave ourselves. it's his belief that things will work out.tooter wrote:Why does the owner of this site put up with the crap the xyz guy puts out????????????
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