Obamacare - Wrong on Every Count

[The Choker]

Well, here we go again. We are finding out what is in Obamacare Nancy.

You told the world that Obamacare would reduce the load on ERs and get people in to see GPs and that is a more efficient way of using medical resources.

Well, you are badly wrong again.

A new study has found that people enrolled recently in Medicaid went to the emergency room 40 percent more frequently than others, often seeking help for conditions that could be treated less expensively in a doctor's office or an urgent care clinic.

... it increases spending for hospitals, primary care and prescriptions and doesn't produce significant improvements in measures of physical health like blood pressure or cholesterol.

So there, Obamacare is wrong on this. Obamacare is wrong on every count.

I kept records. I have the names of the socialists here who said Obamacare would reduce the load on ERs and get patients into GPs. I know your names. hahahahahaha

This is not funny folks. Obamacare is making medical care more expensive, less accessible and less effective.

Let me google that for the nonscientific bleeding hearts here - http://lmgtfy.com/?q=science+medicaid+study

[BlackSpinner]

forgot to take your meds again?

[Christine L]

You are funny Choker.

But you are correct. My husband and I just saw that on CBS news 20 minutes ago while we were preparing dinner. Hubby has been furious about Obamacare for a long time and this did not help.

[BlackSpinner]

Imagine that - people getting the care they need - how horrible.

[Wulfman...]

I'm looking at the "positive side" of this. There will probably be alot of politicians getting voted out of office this Fall. Democrats are very scared and there are quite a few Republicans I'd like to see get the boot (maybe not for this issue, but for others).

"Politicians are like diapers and need to be changed often and for the same reason."
Mark Twain


Den

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[The Choker]

forgot to take your meds again?

Oh yeah?

Well things are so bad in Canada it takes two years to deliver twins.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/canada-mom- ... ent-years/

[LSAT]

Imagine that - people getting the care they need - how horrible.

As I understand it...in Canada the government gives you the medical care. Under Obamacare we must buy insurance to cover some of the costs. Insurance costs are skyrocketing because of Obamacare. Sure those that can't afford it are now getting it at the expense of all of those that are forced to purchase this high priced insurance.i

[The Choker]

Under Obamacare we must buy insurance to cover some of the costs. Insurance costs are skyrocketing because of Obamacare. Sure those that can't afford it are now getting it at the expense of all of those that are forced to purchase this high priced insurance.i

Besides that, don't forget that Obamacare is driving inefficiency and making the entire medical care system more expensive.

Remember the liar kept telling us we would save $2500 per year on insurance premiums? Pure lie.

[hyperlexis]

You're really just an idiot. A sad, embittered person obsessed with nothing but Obamacare apparently. Romney lost. Get over it. No? Then expect to get called out on it.

This was a study in ONE state dealing with Medicaid. Medicaid is NOT "Obamacare". Well surprise, surprise, they found that people with Medicaid went to the ER more than people with NOTHING (zero health coverage) who just stayed home (and, hmm, perhaps just died of OSA in their sleep) because they couldn't afford any care. This is actually a shock to anyone?

Well perhaps it's because the poor on Medicaid are generally more uneducated, ignorant people, who because they have had little or no history of access to doctors because they never had insurance, never had a trusted family doctor to turn to -- and, instead, instinctively, therefore, go right to the emergency room for illnesses. That mentality is completely understandable and will take a lot of outreach and education to unlearn. Again, is this a shock to anyone? No -- its the sad result of decades of a horrible, unequal healthcare system in this country, that forces poor people into ERs because they cant find normal medical care anywhere else.

In a lot of states that is changing and Medicaid patients are now REQUIRED to be on Medicaid Managed Care plans (Medicaid HMOs) which REQUIRE each Medicaid patient to have a primary care physician. That alone forces people to form relationships with family doctors and has been proven to save costs by changing the mindset of Medicaid patients toward getting medical care at the GPs office instead of by instinctively heading to the emergency room. Pretty smart idea.

Oh and by the way, statistically the largest population of Medicaid patients in the United States? Hmmmm? -- It's grandma and grandpa that's who. Almost every single resident of a nursing home in the U.S. is on Medicaid (because they were impoverished by the sheer costs of said nursing homes). Anyone with a family member who has been in a nursing home for more than a month knows what I'm talking about.... And those old people in nursing homes suck up the vast majority of Medicaid dollars in this country, due to the extraordinary cost of their institutional care, as well as their costly, age-related medical needs. And the longer we Americans live, the worse this problem gets.

So before you start misusing studies or numbers to continue to pound away at a personal political message, at least actually know the full extent about what you are talking about.

[ChicagoGranny]

I'm looking at the "positive side" of this. There will probably be alot of politicians getting voted out of office this Fall. Democrats are very scared and there are quite a few Republicans I'd like to see get the boot (maybe not for this issue, but for others).

"Politicians are like diapers and need to be changed often and for the same reason."
Mark Twain


Den

Happy New Year

ChicagoGramps

[The Choker]

You're really just an idiot. A sad, embittered person obsessed with nothing but Obamacare apparently. Romney lost. Get over it. No? Then expect to get called out on it.

Medicaid is NOT "Obamacare".

Oh no Buddy, you don't know your stuff at all. The idea with Obamacare was to put millions of people on Medicaid and that is exactly what is unfolding.

A far greater number - about 3.9 million - took steps in October and November to sign up for Medicaid, according to federal figures.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/201401 ... -Obamacare

As a planned result of Obamacare the Medicaid roles are expanding rapidly. Many more have signed up for Medicaid than have enrolled in Obamacare. We may never know how pitifully low the numbers are for Obamacare itself because of this lying administration.

Get your facts straight socialist.

[Christine L]

So before you start misusing studies or numbers to continue to pound away at a personal political message

Like I said above, this study was presented as truth on CBS Evening News where all the producers, reporters and anchors are Democrats.

[hyperlexis]

So before you start misusing studies or numbers to continue to pound away at a personal political message

Like I said above, this study was presented as truth on CBS Evening News where all the producers, reporters and anchors are Democrats.

This is a joke right? Did you interview all the staff at CBS?

Do you know how to read or interpret what a study means, or its applicability outside the context of what is studying? Apparently no.

[Nozzelnut]

CBS also said that study was from 2008; before obamacare went into effect.

If anyone thought healthcare was expensive before; wait til the government gets in it. They'll pay one amount and the private insurance will pick up the difference.

[Cereal Killer]

So before you start misusing studies or numbers to continue to pound away at a personal political message

Like I said above, this study was presented as truth on CBS Evening News where all the producers, reporters and anchors are Democrats.

This is a joke right? Did you interview all the staff at CBS?

Do you know how to read or interpret what a study means, or its applicability outside the context of what is studying? Apparently no.

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