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OT:Californians Greeted Canceled Health Plans With Smiles

Post by NateS » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:53 pm


These Californians Greeted Canceled Health Plans With Smiles

by Stephanie O'Neill
November 26, 2013 2:56 AM


Amid insurance cancellations, some people are finding better coverage through Covered California, the state's health exchange.
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Barbara Neff of Santa Monica is one of the roughly 1 million Californians who recently got word that their health insurance coverage would be expiring soon.

The canceled plans sparked a political firestorm as people realized President Obama's promise — "If you like your plan, you can keep it" — didn't apply to everyone.

But Neff, a 46-year-old self-employed writer, isn't outraged. She's relieved. Even though she makes too much money to receive a subsidy to buy insurance under the Affordable Care Act, the policy cancellation was good news for her.

She's not the only one. Other Californians are also finding that having their plans canceled allows them to sign up for better coverage.

Neff says she has been stuck in a bad plan because treatment for a back problem years ago red-flagged her with a pre-existing condition.

"The deductible has ranged anywhere from $3,000 to as high as $5,000, which means I have to spend that much each year before the insurance even kicks in," she says. "I was rejected [from a more affordable policy] because I'd had a bout of sciatica five years previously that has never returned."

Starting Jan. 1, the federal health law will prohibit insurers from denying coverage or charging more for such pre-existing problems. That has opened an array of options for Neff, who has enrolled in a new plan through California's state-run insurance marketplace, Covered California. On Thursday, the state health exchange board voted unanimously that it would not extend canceled policies, rejecting the president's proposed fix for the problem.

Neff's new policy has a $2,000 deductible, and her premium will go up by $24 a month. Under the federal law, she'll no longer have to pay for preventive care, and she figures that alone will more than make up for the additional premium costs.

"I've been paying for my mammograms out of pocket, and that's $400 to $450 per year," Neff says. "That type of care is 100 percent covered under this new policy."

Tim Wilsbach was pleasantly surprised to find better health coverage with a lower deductible on California's health insurance marketplace.
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Huge deductibles have been the norm for Tim Wilsbach, a 40-year-old TV editor who lives in Culver City with his family. Like Neff, Wilsbach makes too much to qualify for federal subsidies, so when he received his cancellation notice a few weeks ago, he was worried that his premium would go up.

Wilsbach has two plans for his family. The one being canceled is a bare-bones policy with an $11,000 deductible that he has for himself and his 4-year-old son.

"It was not a great policy," he says, "which is essentially why we had a second plan for my wife, which we paid a little more for."

Wilsbach and his wife are planning to have a second baby, so they bought a policy for her with better coverage and a $5,000 deductible.

After getting the cancellation notice, Wilsbach checked out plans on the Covered California website, and he was pleasantly surprised. He found a plan for the whole family that offers broader coverage, a $4,000 deductible and a more affordable monthly premium.

"Our premium went down not quite 100 bucks, and just looking through what the plan covers versus what used to be covered, yeah, I'm quite happy about it," Wilsbach says.

Jane Bradford of Pasadena will save $400 a month on insurance premiums through a plan she found on California's health exchange.
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Jane Bradford, 52, is a stay-at-home mom in Pasadena. She's losing the HMO insurance she has for herself and her three kids, who are 16, 21 and 23. Her policy offers low copays for doctor visits and a relatively low $3,000 family deductible, but she'll shed no tears to see it go. Bradford says that's because she has found several plans that will cost hundreds less in monthly premiums — even though her husband's income is too high for the family to qualify for a federal subsidy.

"Saving possibly $400 or more a month is awesome, so I'm not sad at all," Bradford says.

None of this comes as a surprise to Micah Weinberg, a senior researcher at the Bay Area Council Economic Institute in San Francisco. "A lot of the anecdotes about people having policies canceled and gigantic increases are real — but not representative of what's happening more broadly in the marketplace," he says.

Weinberg predicts many people who are losing their policies will come out ahead — even if their premiums go up — because of lower deductibles, full coverage of preventive care and no penalties for pre-existing conditions. What's more, he says, health insurance will almost certainly be cheaper for those who qualify for subsidies. In California, that's an estimated 2.5 million people.
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Re: OT:Californians Greeted Canceled Health Plans With Smiles

Post by ems » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:02 pm

What's taking so long? Not one person has refuted this yet. Come on folks... you're slipping!
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Post by Bill44133 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:03 pm

ems wrote:What's taking so long? Not one person has refuted this yet. Come on folks... you're slipping!
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Post by chunkyfrog » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:42 pm

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Re: OT:Californians Greeted Canceled Health Plans With Smiles

Post by deerhound » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:14 pm

ems wrote:What's taking so long? Not one person has refuted this yet. Come on folks... you're slipping!
This could very well be their personal experience. I have no reason to doubt them. I do not know them to be liars. Unlike President Obama, they have never lied to me. I'm sure some people will benefit from Obamadon'tcare, just as I'm sure many are being harmed by it.

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Post by woodworkerjunkie » Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:16 pm

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Re: OT:Californians Greeted Canceled Health Plans With Smiles

Post by hegel » Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:32 pm

California embraced the Affordable Care Act early on. The state started preparing for the transition years ago. Now, the inception has been pretty well. Moving forward, we here in California look for good faith efforts to solve issues as they arise--and they will! This is a big, complicated program. But the end result should be a better system than the one we've left behind. We shall see.

Doubters should watch California over the next two years. 36 states have refused to participate in Medicare expansion for ideological reasons. They've also refused to set up the kind of health care exchanges that California and other states have established. It will be interesting to see which states are doing better for their citizens down the road.

Frankly, the media have done a poor job so far in describing the cheap policies that have been cancelled--the same cancellations that have caused such an uproar. These are horrible policies that fail to meet the minimum requirements set under the AFA--and common sense. Sure, people can complain that they have the right and the freedom to purchase junk policies if they want. The same argument can be made about substandard mufflers, toasters that burst into flame, drugs imported from China that contain chalk instead of medicine, and so on. But we have legally established rules to prevent this. Closer to home, it's also illegal to sell medical devices, for example, that don't meet certain standards established by, yes, the government--in order to protect the public against fraud and danger. Al l of our cpap machines, and pace makers, and defibrillators, to mention just a few. And aren't you glad that these standards and laws are there! Otherwise, chaos and rampant charlatinism for profit would reign. One small part of Hobbes' "war of all against all". So I don't understand why anyone would stand up for substandard, even fraudulent, insurance policies,

Anyway, the roll out of the ACA has been going pretty well in California! Maybe people elsewhere will begin hearing about it soon.

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Post by RogerSC » Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:48 pm

deerhound wrote:
ems wrote:What's taking so long? Not one person has refuted this yet. Come on folks... you're slipping! 8)
This could very well be their personal experience. I have no reason to doubt them. I do not know them to be liars. Unlike President Obama, they have never lied to me. I'm sure some people will benefit from Obamadon'tcare, just as I'm sure many are being harmed by it.
Ah, there we go, that's more like the cpaptalk that I know and love. Thanks, I was starting to think that there was a nuclear holocaust or something, and I was the only survivor.

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Post by Joe Snooze » Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:40 am

Many people are going to be unpleasantly surprised in January when the get sick or injured and find out what a $5,000 to $10,000 deductible means.
Do you have that kind of cash in your checking account?

It means that other than three office visits a year, you will pay for all your healthcare expenses out of your own pocket up to the deductible before Obamacare pays a dime.

What would this mean for a sleep apnea patient?
It means you pay the entire cost of you sleep study and the cost of your machine and supplies yourself without ever meeting the deductible or getting any help with the expenses.

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Post by 49er » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:11 am

Joe Snooze wrote:Many people are going to be unpleasantly surprised in January when the get sick or injured and find out what a $5,000 to $10,000 deductible means.
Do you have that kind of cash in your checking account?

It means that other than three office visits a year, you will pay for all your healthcare expenses out of your own pocket up to the deductible before Obamacare pays a dime.

What would this mean for a sleep apnea patient?
It means you pay the entire cost of you sleep study and the cost of your machine and supplies yourself without ever meeting the deductible or getting any help with the expenses.
Good points Joe Snooze and that is why I wanted single payer which will never happen.

But then again, if god forbid, someone ends up in the hospital, better to be in debt for 10,000 plus the hospital co-pays vs. the money you would have to pay being uninsured.

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Post by Goofproof » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:42 am

Folks, it's California, the home of the liberal welfare state. I'm sure there are a few that will become Obamacare winners, by chance the odds favor that. At least one dog now has health care too, it may end up being hard for the vet to get paid, but that also will apply for normal health care doctors.

Now that we all have free healthcare, we can concern ourselves with finding someone with a job to pay into the system, so our bills can be paid.

Looking for a good job, the safest job in the U. S. this up coming year is printing worthless dollars, next best job, government bean counter, you know him better as the person in charge of lying about the inflation rates, and state of the economy. Jim
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Post by Goofproof » Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:10 am

hegel wrote:California embraced the Affordable Care Act early on. The state started preparing for the transition years ago. Now, the inception has been pretty well. Moving forward, we here in California look for good faith efforts to solve issues as they arise--and they will! This is a big, complicated program. But the end result should be a better system than the one we've left behind. We shall see.

Doubters should watch California over the next two years. 36 states have refused to participate in Medicare expansion for ideological reasons. They've also refused to set up the kind of health care exchanges that California and other states have established. It will be interesting to see which states are doing better for their citizens down the road.

Frankly, the media have done a poor job so far in describing the cheap policies that have been cancelled--the same cancellations that have caused such an uproar. These are horrible policies that fail to meet the minimum requirements set under the AFA--and common sense. Sure, people can complain that they have the right and the freedom to purchase junk policies if they want. The same argument can be made about substandard mufflers, toasters that burst into flame, drugs imported from China that contain chalk instead of medicine, and so on. But we have legally established rules to prevent this. Closer to home, it's also illegal to sell medical devices, for example, that don't meet certain standards established by, yes, the government--in order to protect the public against fraud and danger. Al l of our cpap machines, and pace makers, and defibrillators, to mention just a few. And aren't you glad that these standards and laws are there! Otherwise, chaos and rampant charlatinism for profit would reign. One small part of Hobbes' "war of all against all". So I don't understand why anyone would stand up for substandard, even fraudulent, insurance policies,

Anyway, the roll out of the ACA has been going pretty well in California! Maybe people elsewhere will begin hearing about it soon.
If the government setting and watchdogging medical standards, why was Medtronics zllowed to install a defective defib lead in me in 2006, and why are they still selling defective leads even now? Yes the government will keep you safe, if you think this, put your head back in the sand. The government is about preceiving to protect you while they and big bussiness are robbing you blind, or maybe it just sand in your eyes. Jim
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