OT - The Statin Prescription Controversy Again

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OT - The Statin Prescription Controversy Again

Post by 49er » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:00 am

Thanks to http://1boringoldman.com/, I just found this excellent blog entry on the recent Statin Prescription Controversy:

http://hcrenewal.blogspot.com/2013/11/c ... terol.html
For years, clinical practice guidelines promulgated by prominent health care organizations have been hailed with accolades as received wisdom. However, there is increasing reason to be skeptical of such guidelines. Many guidelines are not based on rigorous application of the principles of evidence-based medicine, and often seem to arise from the personal opinions of their authors. This is particularly troublesome when those authors have conflicts of interest, and when the organizations that sponsor guideline development have institutional conflicts of interest. Back in 2011, an Institute of Medicine panel advocated standards for guideline development, including strict limits on conflicted panel members, to make their results more trustworthy. However, as we noted here, those standards have been largely ignored.
It goes on to discuss the risk/benefit issues:
A recent commentary by Abramson et al in the British Medical Journal in October, 2013 outlines the issues.(2) There is no good evidence that statins used in primary prevention increase overall survival, or decrease overall incidence of adverse events, defined as death, hospital admission, prolongation of admission, cancer or permanent disability.
Furthermore, the guideline seemed unreasonably optimistic about the harms of statins. In particular, it ignored evidence about harms other than diabetes, myopathy (serious muscle disease), and stroke. Yet there is evidence suggesting that statins at least might cause "liver dysfunction, acute renal failure, and cataracts; cognitive symptoms, neuropathy, and sexual dsyfunction; decreased energy and exertional fatigue; and psychiatric symptoms, including depression, memory loss, confusion, and aggressive reactions" as summarized by Abramson and colleagues.
Anyway, I know I am mostly preaching to the choir on this issue but since I felt this was an excellent summary of the issues, I wanted to post this information. To read the rest of the blog entry, go to the above link.

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Re: OT - The Statin Prescription Controversy Again

Post by Julie » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:49 am

It's good because it summarizes everything meaningful in one place very well. Thanks.

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Re: OT - The Statin Prescription Controversy Again

Post by Todzo » Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:01 pm

So fat is bad. But actually sugar is more of a problem.

So as part of “fat is bad” cholesterol levels are seen as part of what we need to reduce to be healthy.

But that is not only way too simplistic it is simply wrong. And we now know it!!

So in spite of the science they still proscribe these pills that will more likely do more harm than good.

We need to clean house in the medical realm. Indeed!

A book and quote that reminded me of this topic:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Great-Cholest ... 592335217/

Emerging science is showing that cholesterol levels are a poor predictor of heart disease and that standard prescriptions for lowering it, such as ineffective low-fat/high-carb diets and serious, side-effect-causing statin drugs, obscure the real causes of heart disease. Even doctors at leading institutions have been misled for years based on creative reporting of research results from pharmaceutical companies intent on supporting the $31-billion-a-year cholesterol-lowering drug industry.
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Re: OT - The Statin Prescription Controversy Again

Post by HerdingDogRescuer » Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:17 pm

Diet and exercise with a baby aspirin a day is good insurance. I can't get my good cholesterol up and my bad is WAY low. But I take a baby aspirin to offer cardiac vascular protection as I can't drink anymore. It ruins my sleep.
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Re: OT - The Statin Prescription Controversy Again

Post by squid13 » Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:21 pm

HerdingDogRescuer wrote: I can't get my good cholesterol up and my bad is WAY low
My good cholesterol was always at 29 or 31 all my life and I'm 76. About 4 years ago my new Doctor put me on prescription Niaspan and now my good cholesterol is 55 or 60 in that range. I take 5 MG of Crestor also.

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Re: OT - The Statin Prescription Controversy Again

Post by Sir NoddinOff » Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:22 pm

Just a side note on statins and insomnia: About a month ago I tapered off of generic Lipitor, mainly for insomnia reasons, and now find that I'm sleeping quite a bit better... not perfect, but my arousals after 2am don't seem to be quite as frequent. Unfortunately I violated the first rule of scientific inquiry and also tapered off of generic Plavix at about the same time, so don't really know if the sleep problems were from Plavix or Lipitor. I'll sort it all out after Christmas and update everyone, but for now the good news is that I'm sleeping better.

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Re: OT - The Statin Prescription Controversy Again

Post by Julie » Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:31 pm

SNO - Stay on your Plavix - it's vital for you. I went off Lipitor 20 yrs ago after 5++ yrs on statins (knew then it wasn't doing anything BUT shooting down my cholesterol, tho' did mess up other things I didn't want to live with, but your Plavix is so important.

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Post by Sir NoddinOff » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:05 pm

Julie wrote:SNO - Stay on your Plavix - it's vital for you. I went off Lipitor 20 yrs ago after 5++ yrs on statins (knew then it wasn't doing anything BUT shooting down my cholesterol, tho' did mess up other things I didn't want to live with, but your Plavix is so important.
Thanks for the input and concern, Julie. Actually, when I broached the subject of going off generic Plavix and generic Lipitor to my cardiologist he was the one that stated that Plavix was no big deal for my heart issues and was happy to drop it even tho it was a minor help for my A-fib (BTW, My current ASV therapy has almost wiped out my A-Fib).

Regarding the Lipitor he was reluctant for me to drop it, however he said a 2 month 'vacation' was not out of question and he'd be willing to evaluate subsequent blood tests after the two months vacation and see if I had my diet and exercise issues under control; or at least under control enough to lower my bad cholesterol without statins. I do take quite a bit of niacin to raise my good cholesterol, which seems to be effective in my case, ie. three-fourths of a gram a day. I don't encourage any other patients with heart problems to use my example to drop certain meds; consult your doctor first.

UPDATE: For the last two nights I have slept thru the whole night! I haven't done that in a decade or more

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Re: OT - The Statin Prescription Controversy Again

Post by Todzo » Sun Dec 01, 2013 6:25 pm

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_yeast_rice "Chemical analysis soon showed that lovastatin and monacolin K are identical"
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Re: OT - The Statin Prescription Controversy Again

Post by Sir NoddinOff » Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:46 pm

Todzo wrote:From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_yeast_rice "Chemical analysis soon showed that lovastatin and monacolin K are identical"
Interesting reading on the early origins of statins. Never knew how it all started before. Thanks, Todzo.

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