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Obamacare Increases Premiums Men 99%, Women 62%

Post by The Choker » Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:51 pm

This is doing serious damage to our country.

From Forbes ( http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapotheca ... for-women/ ):

Double Down: Obamacare Will Increase Avg. Individual-Market Insurance Premiums By 99% For Men, 62% For Women



For months now, we’ve been waiting to hear how much Obamacare will drive up the cost of health insurance for people who purchase coverage on their own. Last night, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services finally began to provide some data on how Americans will fare on Obamacare’s federally-sponsored insurance exchanges. HHS’ press release is full of happy talk about how premiums will be “lower than originally expected.” But the reality is starkly different.


Based on a Manhattan Institute analysis of the HHS numbers, Obamacare will increase underlying insurance rates for younger men by an average of 97 to 99 percent, and for younger women by an average of 55 to 62 percent. Worst off is North Carolina, which will see individual-market rates triple for women, and quadruple for men.

HHS releases a trickle of data and a load of spin

Earlier this month, I and two colleagues from the Manhattan Institute—Yevgeniy Feyman and Paul Howard—published an interactive map that detailed Obamacare’s impact on individually-purchased health insurance premiums in 13 states plus D.C. As the accompanying article described, Obamacare increased premiums in those states by an average of 24 percent.

But those states were largely blue states that had set up their own, state-based insurance exchanges. The big data dump that we’ve been waiting for, since then, is from the majority of states that didn’t set up their own state-based exchange. That data is the responsibility of the Obama administration, namely HHS. Finally, with less than a week to go before the exchanges are supposed to go on-line, HHS has released a slim, 15-page report and a press release that summarize some of the premium data.

“Premiums nationwide will also be around 16 percent lower than originally expected,” HHS cheerfully announces in its press release. But that’s a ruse. HHS compared what the Congressional Budget Office projected rates might look like—in 2016—to its own findings. Neither of those numbers tells you the stat that really matters: how much rates will go up next year, under Obamacare, relative to this year, prior to the law taking effect.

Former Congressional Budget Office director Douglas Holtz-Eakin agrees. “There are literally no comparisons to current rates. That is, HHS has chosen to dodge the question of whose rates are going up, and how much. Instead they try to distract with a comparison to a hypothetical number that has nothing to do with the actual experience of real people.”

Comparing pre-Obamacare and post-Obamacare premiums

The HHS report doesn’t provide enough details about Obamacare’s premiums for us to incorporate the data into our interactive map. Our map compares the five cheapest plans available on the market today to the five cheapest plans available on Obamacare’s exchanges. The HHS report offers only the cheapest bronze, silver and gold plans, and the second-cheapest silver plan.

We look at rates for 27, 40, and 64 year olds; and rates for men and women. (Under Obamacare, rates for men and women are the same, which has the net effect of disproportionately increasing rates for men, who generally paid less under the old system.) The HHS report offers rates for 27-year-olds; and rates for the average-aged exchange participant, a figure that varies by state, but seems to generally land in the mid-thirties.

So, we conducted two comparisons between pre-ACA data and post-ACA data, as reported by HHS. The first comparison is between the cheapest plan available to 27-year-olds pre- and post-Obamacare. The second is between the cheapeast plan available to the average exchange participant, and to the typical 40-year-old pre-Obamacare. We would have liked to have compared rates for older individuals, but HHS didn’t report that data.

27-year-olds will face rate increases as high as 279 percent

As you can see from the map above, many 27-year-olds will face steep increases in the underlying cost of individually-purchased insurance under Obamacare. For the states where we have data—the 36 reported by HHS, plus nine others that we had compiled for our map that HHS didn’t report—rates will go up for men by an average of 97 percent; for women, 55 percent. (In the few cases where HHS reported on states that our map includes, we went with HHS’ numbers.)

Worst off was Nebraska, where the difference between the cheapest plan under the old system and under Obamacare was 279 percent for men, and 227 percent for women: more than triple the old rate. Faring best was Colorado, where rates will decline for both 27-year-old men and women by 36 percent. The only other state to see a rate decline in this analysis was New Hampshire: 8 percent for both men and women.

(Still missing are data from Hawaii, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Maryland, Minnesota, and Nevada. The data from New York and New Jersey should be taken with a grain of salt, as their individual insurance markets are not like those of other states.)

40-year-olds will face rate increases as high as 305 percent

40-year-olds, surprisingly, will face a similar picture. The cheapest exchange plan for the average enrollee, compared to what a 40-year-old would pay today, will cost an average of 99 percent more for men, and 62 percent for women.

For this cohort, men fared worst in North Carolina, with rate increases of 305 percent. Women got hammered in Nebraska, where rates will increase by a national high of 237 percent. Again, Colorado and New Hampshire fared best, with 17 percent and 5-8 percent declines, respectively.

Remember that here, we aren’t conducting an exact comparison. Instead we’re comparing the lowest-cost bronze plan offered to the average participant in the exchanges, to the cheapest plan offered to 40-year-olds today. This approach artificially flatters Obamacare, because the median age of an exchange participant is, in most states, below the age of 40.

In both the 27-year-old and 40-year-old comparisons, we adjusted the pre-ACA rates to take into account people who would be charged more for insurance, or denied coverage altogether, due to a pre-existing condition, using the same methodology we’ve used in the past.

For most people, subsidies won’t counteract rate shock

All of the analyses I’ve discussed thus far involve changes in the underlying cost of health insurance for people who buy it for themselves. Many progressives object to this comparison, because it doesn’t take into account the impact of Obamacare’s subsidies on the net cost of insurance for low-income Americans.

I’ve long argued that it’s irresponsible to ignore the change in underlying premiums, because subsidies only protect some people. Middle-class Americans face the double-whammy of higher insurance premiums, and higher taxes to pay for other people’s subsidies. However, it is important to understand how subsidies will impact the decisions by Americans as to whether or not to participate in the exchanges.

If you click on the “Your Decision” tab on our interactive map, you will now find the results, as assembled by Yevgeniy, for the 13 states plus D.C. in our original database. Here’s the bottom line: most people with average incomes will pay more under Obamacare for individually-purchased insurance than they did before.

In the 13 states plus D.C. (which I will abbreviate as 13+DC), a 27-year-old would have to make 59 percent of the median income of his peers, or less, to come out ahead with regard to Obamacare’s subsidies. A 40-year-old would have to make less than 57 percent of the median income for his peers. On the other hand, older people fare better; the average 64-year-old who makes less than 111 percent of the median income for 64-year-olds will spend less on premiums than he did before.

However, the overall results make clear that most people will not receive enough in subsidies to counteract the degree to which Obamacare drives premiums upward. Remember that nearly two-thirds of the uninsured are under the age of 40. And that young and healthy people are essential to Obamacare; unless these individuals are willing to pay more for health insurance to subsidize everyone else, the exchanges will not serve the goal of providing coverage to the uninsured.

The bottom line: Obamacare makes insurance less affordable

For months, we’ve heard about how Obamacare’s trillions in health care subsidies were going to save America from rate shock. It’s not true. If you shop for coverage on your own, you’re likely to see your rates go up, even after accounting for the impact of pre-existing conditions, even after accounting for the impact of subsidies.

The Obama administration knows this, which is why its 15-page report makes no mention of premiums for insurance available on today’s market. Silence, they say, speaks louder than words. HHS’ silence on the difference between Obamacare’s insurance premiums and those available today tell you everything you need to know. Rates are going higher. And if you’re healthy, or you’re young, the Obama administration expects you to do your duty and pay up.
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Post by Julie » Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:02 pm

I'd want to know more about Yevgeny and Paul before taking all that stuff as gospel.

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Post by OhHelpMe » Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:09 pm

I don't care what the numbers are, the mere fact you move a segment from voluntary to coercive is bad for our citizens.

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Post by khauser » Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:11 pm

Google Manhattan Institute. Not where I would go if I was looking for a non-partisan opinion.

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Post by chunkyfrog » Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:29 pm

So, Forbes is impartial?

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Post by ellen1159 » Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:56 pm

This is doing serious damage to our country? How about we wait a week and see what the premiums are?

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Post by khauser » Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:10 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:So, Forbes is impartial?
That certainly was NOT my point

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Post by ems » Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:38 pm

Here we go ...

Oak... it's your turn to make the popcorn. I'd like mine loaded with butter. I'm in that kind of mood.

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Post by ems » Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:52 pm

[quote="oak An article from today on CNN: http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/25/news/ec ... ?hpt=hp_t2[/quote]

Just felt the need to repost this.
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Post by PST » Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:17 pm

This is not the first round for Avik Roy, the author of the Forbes piece. Whenever any good news comes out about rates on the ACA exchanges, he writes something that then circulates among all the usual suspects. The trick is finding low cost policies allegedly available now. For example, if you follow the link to the article and use the map to find rates in each state, you find that he is using $80 per month for 27-year-old men, $112 per month for 40-year-old men, and $215 per month for 64-year-old men as the current price of health insurance in North Carolina. We have some tar heels here don't we? Can you really buy reasonable coverage there for those prices? If you can, I'm telling my son to move to Durham. No wonder Roy claims that is the state where the act will increase premiums the most. I don't believe it, though. The guy who did the best job of investigating Roy's last similar claim back in May, Ezra Klein, said it best: "That's not just comparing apples to oranges. It's comparing apples to oranges that the fruit guy may not even let you buy."

Seriously, though, going from a system in which insurers compete to cherry pick the best risks to a system where insurers must sell to all comers without excluding pre-existing conditions, some young and healthy people will see higher rates. We all understand that. By pooling all the people who don't have employer coverage, you get the same result you do with current employer pooling. Health insurance is a better deal for the old and sick than the young and healthy. However, I think that if I were young and healthy I would accept this characteristic of health insurance under the ACA without too much resentment (just as I accepted it years ago when I first got health insurance on the job), because you never know when you'll stop being healthy and lose the ability to buy the least expensive policies. In a world where you can't know what tomorrow will bring, I prefer equal availability for all.

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Post by hyperlexis » Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:33 pm

What a complete an utter fraud.

If you compare garbage 'mini-med' plans with virtually no usable benefits and $5,000-$10,000 annual caps, sold to unsuspecting, low income people for $75 - $99 a month, versus actual real, comprehensive 'health insurance' that covers real-world medical care, preventive care, emergencies, surgeries, drugs, and childbirth, yeah then those numbers may fit. But its still a fraud, comparing apples to oranges in that fashion.

I checked my state and the proposed numbers actually look very good. For Illinois, in Chicago/Cook County, for a 40-year old male or female, the lowest cost 'bronze' plan in the exchange will cost $152.25/mo, the lowest cost "silver" plan plan will cost $210.24, and the lowest cost 'gold' plan will cost $245.86. Those are excellent prices for such benefits and are cheaper than what I pay now for a private 80/20 PPO plan from Blue Cross with a $500 deductible.

The reason why the OP and others are so angry, frustrated, and fearful is because they fear that at the end of the day, this will actually really work. So far, so good.

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Post by markdh » Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:42 pm

PST wrote:For example, if you follow the link to the article and use the map to find rates in each state, you find that he is using $80 per month for 27-year-old men, $112 per month for 40-year-old men, and $215 per month for 64-year-old men as the current price of health insurance in North Carolina.
As if a 40 year old, let alone a 64 year old could buy private insurance at all under the current system. There are those pesky things insurance companies like to call "pre-existing conditions" , and people would be amazed at how fast an insurance company can return an application with a REJECTED letter for any one with those.

If you're lucky, you can say hello to the high risk pool and pay 400%+ of the price that Forbes quotes, for a bottom of the barrel policy. If you're not lucky, then you get nothing and the rest of us get to pay for your emergency room visits.