Difference in Data between Sleepy Head and Encore Basic-

[tqpannie]

Okay since I downloaded the Encore software I had been encouraged that I was improving with treatment. Yesterday, thanks to Pugsley and Archangel I was able to use sleepyhead. This morning when I got up I downloaded data from both. This was my first night with a new mask and I was so hopeful things would look great. To me this is not the case when I look at the Sleepy Head Data. The Encore data has me thinking I need some mask adjustments.
The Sleepy Head Data has me horrified and thinking I am one step away from death at night. (Okay that might be a slight exageration but I thought I'd thrown it out there to lighten the mood.)

Sleepy Head Data



Encore Data


Am I freaking out for nothing?

[Pugsy]

Ouch...that AHI is scary.

First of all compare it with your Encore Report for same time frame. Remember SleepyHead is Beta and the patch is even newer. Is the AHI the same?
Also can you give us the SleepyHead graph not zoomed in on a minute by minute and include the top events graph on the right along with leak line and flow rate graph. AHI graph is not needed and you can turn it off in preferences.
Both from general viewing perspective and not zoomed in.

[tqpannie]

Pugsy--Do you have a thread book marked anywhere that shows me how to change the graph view in preferences. I'm totally blanked out. LOL> The scary thing is that my data from Encore looks good. I will post both of these later today.

There are some events but nothing like is what is on the Sleepy Head Software.

[Pugsy]

Preferences are accessed in SH through the upp left corner File/Preference/then the graph tab to turn off unneeded graphs. Just remove the check mark from unneeded graphs. We don't really need Pressure graph either since your pressure is fixed bilevel. It won't change unless to show ramp usage.

SH AHI should match up with Encore and if it is way off then the Patch may not be working properly.
Encore gets top billing...
I haven't seen any new 60 series reports from SH that don't match but that doesn't mean it can't happen. The patch is brand new.

[Pugsy]

Along with SleepyHead report showing the events graph, etc
can you also get me the Encore detailed report for the same time frame?

[Burkebang]

I'd sure like to get a proper view of your data in Sleepyhead for that day. You can click and drag the graphs around and activate the needed graphs and deactivate the unneeded graphs.
Try to make it look like this:


To lighten the mood even more, I got this data today after partying all night. I really should party more

[Pugsy]

Graphs can also be resized. Just hover the mouse over the bottom line of a graph till you see a little short double line...then click and drag upward to shorten vertical height. If you do just a little resizing to each graph you can then allow for the bottom graph to come into view without scrolling. SleepyHead automatically remembers the resize so no need to do it each time.

AHI graph is not needed. If someone uses a straight fixed pressure then the pressure graph is not needed either.

Hey Burkebang,....are you liking the algorithm better on the PR S1 machine? I know you didn't fair well with the ResMed S9 algorithm.

[Burkebang]

Pugsy, the PRS1 algorithm works very well for me. It's works as an APAP should work, unlike the S9 that had me at crazy pressures (for me) all night.
I still like the Devilbiss AutoAdjust algorithm better, but the PRS1 is very good. I got a Hybernite and it solved my rainout problem, so I'm doing really well

[greatunclebill]

when you compare the leak graphs, sleepyhead and encore are to two different scales. this is why sleepyhead seems more violent and encore seems so calm. the numbers are the same. i like to look at sleepyhead because it shows the leaks more clear, but then look at encore because it shows that these spikes are not large leaks that hurt treatment for the most part.

[Pugsy]

Pugsy, the PRS1 algorithm works very well for me. It's works as an APAP should work, unlike the S9 that had me at crazy pressures (for me) all night.
I still like the Devilbiss AutoAdjust algorithm better, but the PRS1 is very good. I got a Hybernite and it solved my rainout problem, so I'm doing really well

That's good to hear. I have never had the chance to try a Devilbiss machine so I don't know how I would do with it.
Started my cpap therapy with Respironics APAP back in 2009. Never used a Resmed machine until I got the S9 VPAP either.
So I haven't used the APAP in that brand. I did try CPAP mode in the VPAP though. I could do some fiddling with the S9 bilevel pressures and come with a sort of APAP function but since I really like the dual pressures I just haven't wanted to dumb it down to APAP. There isn't an APAP mode option on the VPAP..just the cpap mode and the 2 bilevel modes.

I did well with the VPAP auto mode though. Maybe my REM dependent OSA likes the rather rapid response. My pressures have always been rather wild depending on my REM sleep. Even with the Respironics machines in the past. For me I do well with either algorithm it seems but I can sure understand that others might have a better result with one brand over another. Most people here in the US don't ever get a chance to try both brands. They get one brand of APAP and that's it. Here in the US we have to fight for APAP over CPAP much less get to try different brands. It just doesn't happen unless we buy something ourselves.

I have both brands of bilevels. Pretty much a toss up which one I prefer. Both have minor pros and cons and differences but for me none are deal breakers. Since my PR S1 BiPap is the non heated hose model the VPAP heated hose is a definite plus in the wintertime. I sold my Hybernite last summer to someone in Australia where it was winter.
So this winter I will either use the VPAP or get another Hybernite. I will probably just use the VPAP since I like it just as well. Probably once the 60 series BiPaps filter down to the secondary market I will get the new machine urge and buy one since I am a known "papaholoic". All my machines have to be my own out of pocket purchase so I have to go the el cheapo route.

[Pugsy]

when you compare the leak graphs, sleepyhead and encore are to two different scales. this is why sleepyhead seems more violent and encore seems so calm. the numbers are the same.

True for leak report for sure.

My concern with OPs SH report is the AHI of 67.12.
If Encore matches it..we have a serious problem with therapy.
If Encore doesn't show AHI 67.12...we have a serious problem with SH data.
60 series patch data from this user so unsure if the patch is doing calculations properly...hence the request to see both reports.
If we have a large discrepancy in patch data...then we can't rely on SH 60 series data and then I can't recommend SH unless I add "confirm with Encore" disclaimer to 60 series users.

[tqpannie]

Okay here is my data from last night in Encore Basic-This is the detail report



This is the best I could do with the sleepy head:


The AHI defintely doesn't match. I very seldom get more than 6 hours of sleep unless I'm not feeling well. I only got a little under 4 hours last night but that's because I went to bed later than normal and got up at normal time.

[tqpannie]

My concern with OPs SH report is the AHI of 67.12.

My concern is that also. That totally freaked me out.

I do have an appointment with the sleep doctor on Tuesday but alot of that is to talk about the problems I am having with kicking my legs at night.

[greatunclebill]

i have the original sleepyhead with the original update set up on 2 windows 7 computers. the numbers on both match each other exactly.

i have sleepyhead set up on a winxp computer with the patch for 60 series. the ahi data, total and breakdown, matches the 2 windows 7 computers exactly. however, the statistics under the ahi pie graph do not match the other computers. they are not way far off, but they do not match exactly. the total ahi and breakdown of all 3 sleepyheads matches the encore data, understanding that encore rounds off the numbers at one decimal place so they are not exact. i will do some screen shots and add to this post.

here are the stats for the original sleepyhead with original update



here are the same stats for sleepyhead using the 60 series patch

[Pugsy]

i have the original sleepyhead with the original update set up on 2 windows 7 computers. the numbers on both match each other exactly.

As do I but I think that they are the same because we have the regular 50 series machines and not the 60 series machines.
I don't have a 60 series machine to test the patched SH with.
I have a 50 series machine and yes my SH and Encore pretty much matches except for minor rounding up or down of the numbers.

It appears that we have a problem in calculations when using SleepyHead's patched version with the 60 series machine.
At least with this person and her machine.