OT POLL: (CLOSED) Apologies to those irritated by it.

[jnk]

Just wondering.

[kteague]

I have to admit I don't know what all has been said. I started to read one thread a while back and saw that it was going south, so I tried to fulfill a prior resolution to not stress myself over other people's issues. I was having problems with my blood pressure and was without meds for a while, so I needed to filter my aggravations. Frankly, I thought it would have either been resolved or blown over. It grieved me to see as much as I did because I feel I have a rapport with both you and Mars. Without knowing what all has transpired, I'll just say in my estimation you are a stand-up guy, and I value your input and role here. I didn't build that opinion on anyone's else's, nor would I change my opinion based on someone else's opinion of you. Sooo, we're good!?

[Mr Bill]

I have no idea. To weakly analogize football (not my favorite sport), try to be the quarterback and float between all the opposition but hold on to the ball, your core self, and just try to keep moving the ball down the field without giving it up. Finally, if you fumble, try to get right up and jump on it yourself. Finally, if you just can't seem to win; try to be polite. I think the Harvey effect is real.

[Lizistired]

I think this whole forum has become hormonal. Is it the holidays?

[Mr Bill]

I bet we could probably get some correlations between conflicts and full moons. The guys down at the ER tell me a full moon is a guaranteed busy night of ER visits.

[snuginarug]

A very smart lady (and darn it, I can't remember who) just recently told me about her grand children. She says to her grandchildren... If everyone is not having fun, it is not fun. Good rule of thumb in adult life too. If a playful exchange becomes not fun for one, it's time to end things. And if a playful exchange becomes serious, it is also time to stop. I am all in favor of fun debate, but taking things to a personal level isn't fun. I don't know what interactions you are referring to, jnk, but my guess is that if things become personal and unpleasant, it is time for BOTH parties to stop. This includes Mars. Adults should know when to stop, but if they forget, a reminder is always in order.

Here's hoping you two can end your friction in a mature, responsible, respectful way.

[cre8vmynd]

I have to say I chuckled at this one...

If that little "M" by your gender is accurate...act like one.

Casey

[Samaniego]

I to vote Mars bad.
Mars cause trouble only.
Mars not help.
Mars sit computer excessive.
Mars very overweight positoinal therapy.
Mars need much exersice.
I make web for best exersice http://c4vct.com/kym/humor/csex.htm
Mars short. Get tall woman. Best quick results is standing.
Exersice and much fun. Mars then not post much but post happy.

Good day all kemosabe.

[jnk]

I have to say I chuckled at this one...

If that little "M" by your gender is accurate...act like one.

Casey

I'm glad to entertain. It's what I do.

But if Mars is correct in his long-time personal attacks of my character, then I thought it only right a jury of my peers do me the favor of telling me so in order for me to be convicted properly.

Even a male has to be open-minded enough to assume that there could be truth to public accusations against him, when no one else seems to have trouble with their being made for so long for reasons unapparent to this male. After all, even a male can learn to do better if he has done something wrong that he needs to know about. Right?

Yes, I could return the personal attacks, I guess, the way many "M's" might choose to do, but my choice has been to attempt to turn the other cheek, for personal-belief reasons.

And yet, there comes a time to shake the dust off one's feet, too, and the rest of the board may be able to help me with recognizing that, if that is the case. I respect the board as a whole, and even males like us can develop a noncombative sense of community, if they work really hard at it.

[jnk]

I to vote Mars bad.

This isn't a vote about Mars. It is simply an opportunity to help me learn what I need to do better to be of better assistance to the board. So say what I'VE done wrong, NOT anything you think Mars has done wrong. I am asking for help in understanding whether one of Mars' opinions, his opinion of me, as often stated, has merit. Because that would be useful information for me as a human being for future self-improvement. Which even some males are capable of. I think.

[mars]

I have to wonder just how many false identities you have created to vote for you

Given that you are the one who has lied, and misinformed people, and doctored quotes to suit your agenda, then no - I will not be apologising as you suggested in the other thread.

Your poll is a sham, you do not invite people to vote after they have checked out my links, so most would be unaware of why I am exposing you. So you have slanted the poll to win, not to learn anything about yourself.

And should you continue to lie and misinform on anything I post, or use other identities to hassle me, - I will continue to expose you.

However, I will let this drop now, no matter what you do, as further hassle is pointless.

Mars

[Samaniego]

Mars is not male? Surprise on this. Always thought male.

[Jordy]

Jnk,

Just my thoughts. Yes Mars opion of you has merit, because it's his opion that he has decided about you and it will influnce any of his future interactions with you and the topics you post. Likewise your opion of Mars has merit, because in the same vein it will decide how you respond and interact with Mars. The amount of weight these things have in your replys are up to you. You could either just dispute issues with Mars when they come up, or take any post he does as a opputunity to start a flame war with him.

That said, both of you two have over 4 digits worth of posts. Both of you contribute a lot to this forum. As two large contributers who obvisouly disagree with each other, it's not a surprise we will see jabs at each other now and then. These are not so much troll like behaivor as just being biter rivals.

Our trolls are those who post one liners with the goal to inflame the community or to string someone along for their own amusment. The person who keeps posting as guest is a prime example. usully trolls don't stay around too long unless they get attention.

There was a person who posted a while ago, who pretended to work for a sleep lab.. (Maybe he really did, I don't really care to remember his name or look up the details) But the fact of the matter. He was not a 'troll' in the sense. He was just and jac&@$$ with no better intent than to boost himself by causing harm and hurtfull feelings for others. From what I have seen neither you nor Mars are like this. Both of you are valuable members of this forum community. Sure there are going to be off days, and some posts might end up being mean spirited. Thats called having a bad day I think.

I'd say, don't spend too much time stressing, there are plenty of people here that find value from your support of these forums. As evident from the people who spoke up for you in the other post. Same can be said for Mars. Relax, life is too short to sweat the small stuff.

[jnk]

. . . or take any post he does as a opputunity to start a flame war with him. . . .

Thanks, Jordy.

I guess that's where my big problem is. See, I am unaware of ever saying anything inflammatory to him, let alone starting, or even helping, any "war." I'm sure I could have said some things better. But my perception is that we had a civil discussion of the merits of postional therapy in comparison to the gold standard of PAP therapy, and from that moment on he began calling me a "dishonest" "liar" at every possible opportunity, even in threads I was not posting in.

After several weeks of that kind of abuse, I assume it must be something about me. But the only thing I know to apologize for is having a slightly different opinion on one small matter. That's why I need the board's help in figuring out what else I should apologize to him for.

It seems to me he often makes those sorts of personal attacks on others too, so I am earnestly trying to figure out the right thing to do beyond avoiding him and his posts whenever possible. But even with doing that, he continues to attack me in unrelated threads I haven't posted in. Ignoring only goes so far. In my estimation, it got to the point that I needed to bring it to the attention of the larger community, for my benefit, the board's benefit, and Mars' benefit.

I only post once in a while these days, anyway, so it's no big deal, really, though.

But I thank you for your help and perspective with this. I'm sure there are some lessons for me to learn in all this. So if you, or anyone else, has some specific counsel for me on how I could do better, I would appreciate it. Constuctive criticism is always welcome. It is the constant name-calling and accusations from one person that throw me for a loop when they continue unabated and for no apparent reason.

Thanks again for your wise words.

[carbonman]

A question in your nerves is lit
Yet you know there is no answer fit
To satisfy, insure you not to quit
To keep it in your mind and not forget
That it is not he or she or them or it
That you belong to
--Bob Dylan